GOP Hypocrisy: After telling retiree to go out and purchase health insurance, new Rep admits he takes his "socialist" gov't healthcare "because it's free"

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    May 25, 2011 9:26 PM GMT
    I can see the ads against him already. When the GOP realize that Americans loathe hypocrisy. If the GOP thinks Americans should find their health insurance in the private marketplace, they should lead by example...

    What a douche bag!

    Ryan GrimWASHINGTON -- Moments after preaching extreme self-reliance to one of his constituents, a Georgia Republican told a gathering in his district that he will continue to rely on government-subsidized health care "because it's free."

    Freshman Rep. Rob Woodall, who served as chief of staff to his predecessor, made national news earlier this week for comments he made, captured on video by Patch.com, to a retired constituent who told him her company does not provide retiree benefits.

    "Hear yourself, ma'am. Hear yourself," Woodall told the woman. "You want the government to take care of you, because your employer decided not to take care of you. My question is, 'When do I decide I'm going to take care of me?'"

    The exchange continued. In video provided to HuffPost by another constituent, Woodall was asked why -- if he believes in such self reliance -- he doesn't forgo his government health care plan.

    "I have a question about taking care of you. You have government subsidized health care, but you are not obligated to take that if you don't want to. Why aren't you going out on the fee market in the state where you're a resident and buy your own health care? Be an example," said a constituent in the new video.

    "Your question is," Woodall responded, "my government's willing to give me lots and lots of stuff for free and why don't I take it?"

    The woman followed up. "Why aren't you leading by example, and go and get it in a single-subscriber plan, like you want everybody else to have, because you want to end employer-sponsored health plans and government-sponsored health plans. You said so in a letter to me, that your goal is to get rid of the employer-sponsored health care [system]. So why aren't you leading by example and go out yourself, decline the government health plan and go to Blue Cross/Blue Shield or whoever, and get one for yourself and see how tough it is," she said. "You don't have any pre-existing conditions, I guess, you haven't had any life-threatening illnesses like I had last year."

    Woodall responded that "this is why it's good to have these conversations, because there's some bad information out there."

    But his constituent presses him further. "Answer the question: Why haven't you gone out and got it?"

    "Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I did. It's because it's free. It's because it's free," he said. "The same reason I went out to Walgreen's and bought ActivOn and I don't have any arthritis pain: Because it's free. Folks, if you give people things for free, don't blame them for taking them."


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/rob-woodall-health-care_n_866859.html
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    May 25, 2011 9:37 PM GMT
    I am starting to get real annoyed with the cold hearted, extreme right wing hypocrisy that is ruining the GOP as a viable political party. Some of these bastards want to deny the retired folks and the working people of good health care and benefits but when it is time for one of those extreme right wingers to take advantage, they just jump in line and take advantage of the so-called socialist benefits. What a bunch iof hypocritesicon_mad.gif
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    May 25, 2011 9:47 PM GMT
    "The same reason I went out to Walgreen's and bought ActivOn and I don't have any arthritis pain: Because it's free. Folks, if you give people things for free, don't blame them for taking them."

    A Member of Congress got arthritis medicine that he doesn't need from Walgreen's just because it's free??? icon_eek.gif
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    May 25, 2011 9:51 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI am starting to get real annoyed with the cold hearted, extreme right wing hypocrisy that is ruining the GOP as a viable political party. Some of these bastards want to deny the retired folks and the working people of good health care and benefits but when it is time for one of those extreme right wingers to take advantage, they just jump in line and take advantage of the so-called socialist benefits. What a bunch iof hypocritesicon_mad.gif


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    roadbikeRob saidI am starting to get real annoyed with the cold hearted, extreme right wing hypocrisy that is ruining the GOP as a viable political party. Some of these bastards want to deny the retired folks and the working people of good health care and benefits but when it is time for one of those extreme right wingers to take advantage, they just jump in line and take advantage of the so-called socialist benefits. What a bunch iof hypocritesicon_mad.gif


    On this, Rob, we agree. And if Dems are doing the same thing, they need to be called out too.
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    May 25, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
    Maybe we should start a new thread each day about John Edwards DEMOCRAT who is about to be indicted.
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    Art_Deco said"The same reason I went out to Walgreen's and bought ActivOn and I don't have any arthritis pain: Because it's free. Folks, if you give people things for free, don't blame them for taking them."

    A Member of Congress got arthritis medicine that he doesn't need from Walgreen's just because it's free??? icon_eek.gif


    Republicans will steal anything in sight.

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    Remember Palin's $150,000 Neiman Marcus clothing bill? Above is a pic of 7 year old Piper in designer jeans and carrying a LV bag...all FREE!!!

    But no health care for you retirees!!!
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    May 25, 2011 10:11 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidMaybe we should start a new thread each day about John Edwards DEMOCRAT who is about to be indicted.


    Why? The Democratic Party and most progressives long ago turned their backs on Edwards. Do you see any of us standing up for him?

    Instead of trying to distract from the issue at hand, why not just admit that this guy is a douche bag?
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    May 25, 2011 10:13 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidMaybe we should start a new thread each day about John Edwards DEMOCRAT who is about to be indicted.


    I'm sorry Socal, I just had to start laughing... what does Edward's issues have to do with this thread... LOL LOL!! And of course we should include others, like Senator Ensign from Nevada .. er, ex senator if we are talking
    sex scandal....

    Now, now, let's think before we react with "irritation"!!!
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    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidMaybe we should start a new thread each day about John Edwards DEMOCRAT who is about to be indicted.


    Why? The Democratic Party and most progressives long ago turned their backs on Edwards. Do you see any of us standing up for him?

    Instead of trying to distract from the issue at hand, why not just admit that this guy is a douche bag?

    Your opening statement generalized it as a GOP issue. I didn't hear of anyone supporting his comments.
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    May 26, 2011 12:02 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidMaybe we should start a new thread each day about John Edwards DEMOCRAT who is about to be indicted.


    Why? The Democratic Party and most progressives long ago turned their backs on Edwards. Do you see any of us standing up for him?

    Instead of trying to distract from the issue at hand, why not just admit that this guy is a douche bag?

    Your opening statement generalized it as a GOP issue. I didn't hear of anyone supporting his comments.


    How many republicans in the house/senate have refused the government run healthcare program that they get for free??
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    May 26, 2011 1:02 AM GMT
    catfish5 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidMaybe we should start a new thread each day about John Edwards DEMOCRAT who is about to be indicted.


    Why? The Democratic Party and most progressives long ago turned their backs on Edwards. Do you see any of us standing up for him?

    Instead of trying to distract from the issue at hand, why not just admit that this guy is a douche bag?

    Your opening statement generalized it as a GOP issue. I didn't hear of anyone supporting his comments.


    How many republicans in the house/senate have refused the government run healthcare program that they get for free??

    It's part of their total compensation package, same as with many other public and private sector jobs. Your question is really quite silly.
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    May 26, 2011 1:07 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    catfish5 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidMaybe we should start a new thread each day about John Edwards DEMOCRAT who is about to be indicted.


    Why? The Democratic Party and most progressives long ago turned their backs on Edwards. Do you see any of us standing up for him?

    Instead of trying to distract from the issue at hand, why not just admit that this guy is a douche bag?

    Your opening statement generalized it as a GOP issue. I didn't hear of anyone supporting his comments.


    How many republicans in the house/senate have refused the government run healthcare program that they get for free??

    It's part of their total compensation package, same as with many other public and private sector jobs. Your question is really quite silly.



    No, it isn't. THIS is healthcare given free to the people that want everyone else to NOT have the same thing, and are trying to get into power to make it so. I'm curious if any Republican political runner is going to cancel their own gold-plated healthcare when they do away with everyone else's.
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    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness saidMaybe we should start a new thread each day about John Edwards DEMOCRAT who is about to be indicted.


    I'm sorry Socal, I just had to start laughing... what does Edward's issues have to do with this thread... LOL LOL!! And of course we should include others, like Senator Ensign from Nevada .. er, ex senator if we are talking
    sex scandal....

    Now, now, let's think before we react with "irritation"!!!

    I wouldn't say irritation, but a comment on the knee-jerk reactions. I think most folks realize that foot-in-mouth episodes, moral or ethical shortfalls, or criminal activities are part of the human condition and are committed by people regardless of whether there is an R or a D after their name. Some of the questions asked here are silly, such as why don't Republicans refuse part of their compensation package, or why don't Republicans criticize he person who made the comments about being self-sufficient. It was noted by some on the RJ left that Schwarzenegger's party affiliation had to be mentioned in the context of his recent problems. I thought that was also ridiculous because he was not a far-right preacher of morality.
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    May 26, 2011 1:15 AM GMT
    If you want or need health insurance. Go buy it. Simple as that.
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    May 26, 2011 1:18 AM GMT
    The members of Congress in both parties should give up their free gold-plated health coverage.
    They can afford to purchase their own coverage a hell of a lot more easily than the average American can.

    And maybe if some of these elitist Repubs in Congress were forced to buy their own health coverage in the open market, they'd realize what it costs to be responsible for your own coverage, and how shitty the non-gold-plated coverage most Americans have is.
    Maybe then they'd abandon their "I've got mine, and screw you if you don't have yours" attitude.
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    May 26, 2011 1:18 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    socalfitness said
    catfish5 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidMaybe we should start a new thread each day about John Edwards DEMOCRAT who is about to be indicted.


    Why? The Democratic Party and most progressives long ago turned their backs on Edwards. Do you see any of us standing up for him?

    Instead of trying to distract from the issue at hand, why not just admit that this guy is a douche bag?

    Your opening statement generalized it as a GOP issue. I didn't hear of anyone supporting his comments.


    How many republicans in the house/senate have refused the government run healthcare program that they get for free??

    It's part of their total compensation package, same as with many other public and private sector jobs. Your question is really quite silly.



    No, it isn't. THIS is healthcare given free to the people that want everyone else to NOT have the same thing, and are trying to get into power to make it so. I'm curious if any Republican political runner is going to cancel their own gold-plated healthcare when they do away with everyone else's.

    It is. When you work for an entity, be it the Government, GM, or Joe's Pizza, your total benefits package may include, in addition to salary, health benefits, a pension, a 401K plan, a car, free pizza, whatever. The health plan offered to congressmen, even if better than others, is still part of their total compensation.
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    May 26, 2011 1:20 AM GMT
    rickrick91 saidThe members of Congress in both parties should give up their free gold-plated health coverage.
    They can afford to purchase their own coverage a hell of a lot more easily than the average American can.

    And maybe if some of these elitist Repubs in Congress were forced to buy their own health coverage in the open market, they'd realize what it costs to be responsible for your own coverage, and how shitty the non-gold-plated coverage most Americans have is.
    Maybe then they'd abandon their "I've got mine, and screw you if you don't have yours" attitude.

    You need to make sure youre pointing your finger at democrats too.

    Its called personal responsibility. If YOU need or want it....YOU go buy it.
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    May 26, 2011 1:34 AM GMT
    socal,

    "It is. When you work for an entity, be it the Government, GM, or Joe's Pizza, your total benefits package may include, in addition to salary, health benefits, a pension, a 401K plan, a car, free pizza, whatever. The health plan offered to congressmen, even if better than others, is still part of their total benefits."


    So were the government union workers compensation packages.

    ....sometimes you tax my patience. Remember not long ago the GOP was taking aim at those government union workers and demanding they pay more of their own healthcare. They still are, and going after their pensions as well. Remember those topics? Well...guess what? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
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    May 26, 2011 1:44 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said"The same reason I went out to Walgreen's and bought ActivOn and I don't have any arthritis pain: Because it's free. Folks, if you give people things for free, don't blame them for taking them."

    A Member of Congress got arthritis medicine that he doesn't need from Walgreen's just because it's free??? icon_eek.gif

    Walgreens was giving it away free??? huh?

    Actually, stupid statements like this guy is making is what is going to defeat the Republicans....keep 'em coming, Repuglicans! ... icon_lol.gif
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    May 26, 2011 1:45 AM GMT
    meninlove said socal,

    "It is. When you work for an entity, be it the Government, GM, or Joe's Pizza, your total benefits package may include, in addition to salary, health benefits, a pension, a 401K plan, a car, free pizza, whatever. The health plan offered to congressmen, even if better than others, is still part of their total benefits."


    So were the government union workers compensation packages.

    ....sometimes you tax my patience. Remember not long ago the GOP was taking aim at those government union workers and demanding they pay more of their own healthcare. They still are, and going after their pensions as well. Remember those topics? Well...guess what? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    I was thinking the same thing, but you said it more succinctly (and briefly, too!) than I could have. The GOP is saying how in debt the US Federal Govt. is, how massive cuts must be made. A good place to start would be Congress's own compensation packages, just like the GOP is pushing for other government employees at all levels to scale back their benefits. Seems fair & equitable to me... icon_biggrin.gif
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    May 26, 2011 1:46 AM GMT
    meninlove said socal,

    "It is. When you work for an entity, be it the Government, GM, or Joe's Pizza, your total benefits package may include, in addition to salary, health benefits, a pension, a 401K plan, a car, free pizza, whatever. The health plan offered to congressmen, even if better than others, is still part of their total benefits."


    So were the government union workers compensation packages.

    ....sometimes you tax my patience. Remember not long ago the GOP was taking aim at those government union workers and demanding they pay more of their own healthcare. They still are, and going after their pensions as well. Remember those topics? Well...guess what? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    I think I am assuming too much when I make some points. I am not defending in any way the total compensation of the US congressmen. I am stating that the health care is part of their total compensation, and is not something given to them for free. I don't know if their total compensation is too high, too little, or just right. The current salary (2011) for rank-and-file members of the House and Senate is $174,000 per year. Members are free to turn down pay increase and some choose to do so, according to one source. Their total compensation would be their salary, the cost of their health benefits, and the value of other benefits.
    http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm

    The discussion of other public employee compensation negotiated by unions was that their benefits were causing financial hardship for the states. Not meaning to generalize, but I think the general discussion was the salaries were comparable to the private sector but the benefits were much greater. While that is not relevant to the situation with congressmen, I don't oppose any discussion if congressmen's total benefits are too generous and should be evaluated. If that evaluation led to reducing their salary or benefits or other perks, fine. The main point I tried to make, apparently unsuccessfully for this audience, is that health benefits are part of their total compensation, not something given to them for free. I don't want to be snide, but if this is not understood, it explains why the left is unable to comprehend other financial issues that I think are common sense.
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    May 26, 2011 1:48 AM GMT
    Yes, socal, just as those nasty gov't union workers had their compensation package reduced for the sake of the economy, so should ALL gov't employees.

    Cherry-picking displays an interesting prejudice.

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    May 26, 2011 1:52 AM GMT
    meninlove said Yes, socal, just as those nasty gov't union workers had their compensation package reduced for the sake of the economy, so should ALL gov't employees.

    Cherry-picking displays an interesting prejudice.

    Do you still not get it? Not defending the total package of congressmen. Please reread my message and think about it carefully!
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    May 26, 2011 2:06 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    socalfitness said
    catfish5 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness saidMaybe we should start a new thread each day about John Edwards DEMOCRAT who is about to be indicted.


    Why? The Democratic Party and most progressives long ago turned their backs on Edwards. Do you see any of us standing up for him?

    Instead of trying to distract from the issue at hand, why not just admit that this guy is a douche bag?

    Your opening statement generalized it as a GOP issue. I didn't hear of anyone supporting his comments.


    How many republicans in the house/senate have refused the government run healthcare program that they get for free??

    It's part of their total compensation package, same as with many other public and private sector jobs. Your question is really quite silly.



    No, it isn't. THIS is healthcare given free to the people that want everyone else to NOT have the same thing, and are trying to get into power to make it so. I'm curious if any Republican political runner is going to cancel their own gold-plated healthcare when they do away with everyone else's.


    Haha, it's quite entertaining you say that. I want to know if the democratic politicians and the president are going to "wait in line" for the mediocre health system they want everyone else to be in, or if they are going to seek private and immediate medical attention that takes people who have money first.

    It's always nice to advocate "equality" for everyone else as long as you maintain a quality of lifestyle above the rest, right?