New Bill Will Make Schools Teach Gay History In California

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    May 26, 2011 9:10 AM GMT
    SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people would be added to the lengthy list of social and ethnic groups that public schools must include in social studies lessons under a landmark bill passed Thursday by the California Senate.

    If the bill is adopted by the state Assembly and signed by Gov. Jerry Brown, California would become the first state to require the teaching of gay history.

    Supporters say the move is needed to counter anti-gay stereotypes and beliefs that make children in those groups vulnerable to bullying and suicide.

    Opponents counter that such instruction would further burden an already crowded curriculum and expose students to a subject that some parents find objectionable.

    The legislation, sponsored by Democratic Sen. Mark Leno of San Francisco, passed on a 23-14 party line vote. It also would add disabled people to the curriculum.

    The bill gives school districts flexibility in deciding what to include in the lessons and at what grades students would receive them.

    But starting in the 2013-14 school year, it would prohibit districts and the California Board of Education from using textbooks or other instructional materials that reflect adversely on gay, bisexual and transgender Americans.

    Appealing to colleagues for support, Leno said gay children still struggle routinely with verbal and physical abuse at school, even though society is more accepting than when he was a gay youth in the 1960s.

    “We are second-class citizens and children are listening,” he said. “When they see their teachers don’t step up to the plate when their classmate is being harassed literally to death, they are listening and they get the message that there is something wrong with those people.”

    Republican Sen. Doug La Malfa of Butte opposed the bill.

    “I’m deeply troubled kids would have to contemplate at a very, very early age, when many of us are teaching abstinence … what is sexuality,” he said.

    California law already requires schools to cover the contributions to the state and nation of women, African Americans, Mexican Americans, entrepreneurs, Asian Americans, European Americans, American Indians and labor.

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    May 26, 2011 10:04 AM GMT
    Well I not only survived the "Gay Plague" I lived and worked in the eye of the storm, then I witnessed first hand gay and bisexual men carelessly and recklessly infecting each other, because they did not want to deprive their dick of the party. One ponders how truthful they will be about this very dark eara of our gay and bisexual past and present?

    Will they talk about how so many fleed when we needed them the most, and did nothing to help when the gay community of America was put on it's knees. Will they teach how the gay of SF did not want the bathhouses closed because they did not want to feel they were taking one step backward, in their sexual revolution, no matter how many lives it may of saved, while at the same time screaming someone must do something. Yes ever the gay and bisexual communities have a very dark shameful past. I survived it, to talk about it when so many did not. Will they teach the truth?

    No my child would be sick for those classes. For one I am not going to have some women teach my son on gay men's issues; such things would be for the home, because since I come out at the age of 5/6 dew to the fact I was molested by a bisexual neighbor, and defended his actions, as I seen no wrong in them "at that time" and also I knew, I was going too grow up to be a poofter, I have a wealth of experience, that I could pass on to my own child when and if I ever felt relevant to their lives,and not leave this up to some liberals transgression. Not teaching such things does not make us go away, or make us invisible.

    Oh or maybe I should apply to teach gay history.
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    May 26, 2011 10:19 AM GMT
    I fear there will be liberals who will feel their students had no choice but to accept what they teach. like you must accept homosexuals and lesbians and so on, thus abusing the children. I recall having intolerant liberal teachers when I studied social work, and you could pay for not accepting their belief system, that I challenged all the time.
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    May 26, 2011 10:51 AM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidI recall having intolerant liberal teachers when I studied social work, and you could pay for not accepting their belief system, that I challenged all the time.


    This is yet another reason why liberals are not constructive people. They prefer vitriol and their own beliefs over logical argument.
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    May 26, 2011 12:11 PM GMT
    bump.

    I really want to hear more opinions. I'm having a really difficult time figuring out how I feel about this; On one hand, I like the idea of having it, for sure it would serve a far greater political purpose than say the glittered reaffirmation of all the negative stereotypes that made coming out to my parents and certain peers so difficult, that is, the Pride week celebrations. Maybe we should drop the Pride parties, put on some clothes, stop the recreational public drug usage/public spectacles clearly utilized as means of covering up remnants of inner shame [and seeking inauthentic validation from the public] with flashy parties and overconfidence, and have a gay history month instead, much like black history month?

    I'm guilty of having gone to one or two as a kid, but it sickened me and I spent more time praying that I didn't become the 95 % of participants in my future.

    I agree with what was said about it belonging schooled in a home, simply because of the history of what we, ourselves, did. On the contrary though, here in Canada at least, we're taught very in-depth about how we, as European settlers, came to the Americas, slaughtered, raped, pillaged, and convinced aboriginals to trade everything they owned including wives and daughters, for the alcohol we introduced them to/ got addicted to... It served as a moral question inside me, sure, but is this not comparable in some way to hearing about the AIDs epidemic/stonewall etc. to the heterosexual? Even further, I remember learning in grade 10 about how not 80 years ago, during WW1, we rounded up every asian/japanese/chiense descendant/visible minority and shipped them to BC to be kept in concentration camps during the war, and forced many to work (to death) building our cross canada railway system...

    I think studying the generational evolution would be fascinating on one hand (providing a very obvious mirror of what social accpetance/intolerance will provoke people to behave as), because even the generation coming after me is far more accepting than even mine was in high school, not 7 years ago. It seems like now, if you're the good looking gay guy, you're at the top of the chain in high school, ESPECIALLY if athletic. No one is intolerant anymore in educated societies unless there are socio reasons behind it, ie, parents.

    I mean, wouldn't african-americans at some point have thought to themselves "I don't want no cracker teaching my history to my children?" [assuming their children's educator was caucasian].

    Just a thought.

    I think at some point we should all, gays and heterosexuals, assimilate into the teachings of that feminist Simone de Beauvoir. Her quote sums it up pretty well: “In itself, homosexuality is as limiting as heterosexuality: the ideal should be to be capable of loving a woman or a man; either, a human being, without feeling fear, restraint, or obligation.”

    That would for sure, be biting off more than we could chew at this point in our evolution - pushing bisexuality haha. It would be an amazing world, though. No over population, higher adoption rates, less social pressure on gender identities...

    I'd like to see this proposed curriculum, however according to this, it would be up to the administrator to decide what and when/how was taught. This could be both positive or destructive, depending on the hands it got into. I wouldn't like the idea of outrageous drag queens coming into my classroom and making a mockery of it all. I'd like to clarify that this point obviously does not go towards the transgendered community; there is a huge difference between freedom of self, and putting on a show for entertainment purposes.
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    May 26, 2011 1:44 PM GMT
    More political correctness at public expense.

    Just what we need.

    A better solution might be just to promote doing the right things and doing for others what you'd like to have done for you.
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    May 26, 2011 1:45 PM GMT
    So this means kids will learn when Tom Ford took over Gucci and used Madonna to reinvent the brand?
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    May 26, 2011 2:00 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidMore political correctness at public expense.

    Just what we need.

    A better solution might be just to promote doing the right things and doing for others what you'd like to have done for you.




    lol, so you don't believe kids should learn about Milk? Stonewall? But you're OK with Jesus and genesis being taught in Science class. O.o

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    May 26, 2011 2:18 PM GMT
    No issues with a mention of Stonewall and Milk, but I feel no need to mandate a whole month set aside for an in-school Pride event.

    We have quite enough of -hyphenated Americanism, rather than focusing on how we all together are Americans.

    United in a single nation, with a primarily northern European derived culture.

    Sadly, it seems that we want to trample underfoot that heritage at every turn while encouraging people to hyphenate their identities - or worse, reject assimilation into the mainstream American culture altogether.

    And that is not to reject other cultural imputs (as we will become markedly more Latin American in our cultural make-up in time)... I just dislike excessive political correctness, especially when education budgets are already stretched thin.

    Concerning Jesus and Genesis in science classes, I'd say mostly no to that, other than to very briefly demonstrate that model without any regard for religious issues (particularly the ID argument) and let students draw their own conclusions about it.

    I'd be willing to bet that the accepted scientific consensus for evolution would win the day.
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    May 26, 2011 5:40 PM GMT
    This bill is a good thing. Because in America, common sense never prevails - equality and "civilized" attitudes need to be forced in to the system.

    The fact that this was accepted by "a vote among party lines" already says enough.

    If you as a school do not want to include gay people in general history of repressed people, that's fine - but please do return the public funding you've received.
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    May 26, 2011 6:22 PM GMT
    Tazo995 saidIf you as a school do not want to include gay people in general history of repressed people, that's fine - but please do return the public funding you've received.


    I'm convinced. Morally, it's hard to swallow, in the sense that yeh - forcing these sorts of questions regarding sexuality at a young age isn't the most delicate thing.. But In retrospect, I was googling porn by grade 7 with my Dad's credit card, on which, both playboy AND playgirl showed up on the statements, amongst a slew of other questionable sites racking up a large recurring statement haha.

    Yeh, we're teaching abstinence; but it's failing miserably. If we're teaching contraceptive/drug/alcohol abuse... I can't logically argue that teaching sexuality outside of heterosexuality would be any more damaging. I knew what angel dust/PCP was by grade 6 when the police/school boards engaged us in the "Racing Against Drugs" campaign. Right down to the photos of the dude who cut his own face off while high on it and survived.

    These are real issues, and ones that most kids understand long before high school. They'll know the words gay/faggot/dyke etc., long before we even teach them, regardless if the lessons start when they're 10.. and be using the words derogatorily.

    I'm convinced. Teach the kids. Teach them young. The Birds and the Bees and... the rainbow? Ha.
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    May 26, 2011 6:54 PM GMT
    Although I approve of this- I have to make an innocent crack at one thing.

    Even though it's meant to teach people to debunk stereotypes, I love that this bill was proposed by a senator from San Francisco. icon_razz.gif
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    May 26, 2011 7:09 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidNo issues with a mention of Stonewall and Milk, but I feel no need to mandate a whole month set aside for an in-school Pride event.

    I can clearly remember when people were saying this about African-American History when I was in school.

    I have no problem, as long as it is taught in an age appropriate manner. Yes, sexuality can be talked about in an age appropriate manner.
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    May 26, 2011 7:12 PM GMT
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    Tazo995 saidIf you as a school do not want to include gay people in general history of repressed people, that's fine - but please do return the public funding you've received.


    I'm convinced. Morally, it's hard to swallow, in the sense that yeh - forcing these sorts of questions regarding sexuality at a young age isn't the most delicate thing.. But In retrospect, I was googling porn by grade 7 with my Dad's credit card, on which, both playboy AND playgirl showed up on the statements, amongst a slew of other questionable sites racking up a large recurring statement haha.

    Yeh, we're teaching abstinence; but it's failing miserably. If we're teaching contraceptive/drug/alcohol abuse... I can't logically argue that teaching sexuality outside of heterosexuality would be any more damaging. I knew what angel dust/PCP was by grade 6 when the police/school boards engaged us in the "Racing Against Drugs" campaign. Right down to the photos of the dude who cut his own face off while high on it and survived.

    These are real issues, and ones that most kids understand long before high school. They'll know the words gay/faggot/dyke etc., long before we even teach them, regardless if the lessons start when they're 10.. and be using the words derogatorily.

    I'm convinced. Teach the kids. Teach them young. The Birds and the Bees and... the rainbow? Ha.



    There is this old rule of chess: "always play the situation on the board as it is, never ever as it should be"

    Every single "social conservative" makes the same mistake; whether they advocate ignoring same sex issues in sex-ed, teaching abstinence, outlawing weed, forcing religious norms on society, or blocking bills dealing with the illegal immigrant issue - they all violate this one rule.

    This is the reason why certain countries function so much better than others, and why everybody who ever tried to create an Utopia ended up with a living hell.
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    May 26, 2011 7:34 PM GMT
    Why are you having a hard time with this? Is who you are just about sex? Porn? Gay were persecuted in the Holocaust, gay rights began out of feminism, Harvey Milk, Stonewall, AIDs in the 80's, gay rights in the 70's, The Black Panther Movement and gay rights, Liberation, etc.

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    May 26, 2011 8:07 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidWell I not only survived am the "Gay Plague" .


    Fixed for accuracy.
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    May 26, 2011 8:23 PM GMT
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    True_blue_aussie saidWell I not only survived am the "Gay Plague" .


    Fixed for accuracy.


    LMFAO
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    True_blue_aussie saidWell I not only survived am the "Gay Plague" .


    Fixed for accuracy.


    No truer observation has been made - the ramblings of a confused mind - Aussie? Swiss? American? The story changes according to circumstance
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    May 26, 2011 10:57 PM GMT
    I've no issue with teaching the acceptance of Adam and Steve and Ada and Eva... along with other homo-normalizing visions.

    In an age appropriate manner, naturally. The joys of anal sex and consensual bondage and domination? Might wanna hold that off till 11th grade at least, lol.

    What grates me a bit is that it will more than likely be packaged in a heavy wrapping of PC Guilting and Official Victimhood whinging and increased Entitlements at great public expense.
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    May 26, 2011 11:08 PM GMT
    This is stupid... it's just like forcing kids to learn about Christianity. It's not going to do anything but upset parents. No body should be forced to learn about something they aren't comfortable with. Yes, I would love for people to educate themselves, but this is just going to lead down a slippery slope.
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    May 26, 2011 11:15 PM GMT
    This has trouble written all over it. I dont think the world is quite ready for this huge step yet. there is so much hate in the world already i can only picture a riot forming. But maybe it is different in California
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    May 27, 2011 12:50 AM GMT
    Allathlete saidThis is stupid... it's just like forcing kids to learn about Christianity. It's not going to do anything but upset parents. No body should be forced to learn about something they aren't comfortable with. Yes, I would love for people to educate themselves, but this is just going to lead down a slippery slope.

    I have never been comfortable with mathematics. It caused me much distress over the years. It has caused me to sweat and squirm and have panic attacks. That being said, it was essential that I learn it, because my parents couldn't teach this to me.

    This is nothing, by the way, like forcing kids to learn Christianity. If the parents are upset, then perhaps they should attend the class first to see what it is all about.
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    May 27, 2011 12:55 AM GMT
    alphatrigger saidNo issues with a mention of Stonewall and Milk, but I feel no need to mandate a whole month set aside for an in-school Pride event.

    We have quite enough of -hyphenated Americanism, rather than focusing on how we all together are Americans.

    United in a single nation, with a primarily northern European derived culture.

    Sadly, it seems that we want to trample underfoot that heritage at every turn while encouraging people to hyphenate their identities - or worse, reject assimilation into the mainstream American culture altogether.

    And that is not to reject other cultural imputs (as we will become markedly more Latin American in our cultural make-up in time)... I just dislike excessive political correctness, especially when education budgets are already stretched thin.

    Concerning Jesus and Genesis in science classes, I'd say mostly no to that, other than to very briefly demonstrate that model without any regard for religious issues (particularly the ID argument) and let students draw their own conclusions about it.

    I'd be willing to bet that the accepted scientific consensus for evolution would win the day.


    But I think that's the point of all of these lessons. To remind students that we are all Americans. Students have to learn how we got to where we are now. So not only does that include lessons on the Revolutionary war, but the struggles of minorities who fought to ensure that the constitution truly represents us all.

    There's nothing PC about it.
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    May 27, 2011 1:49 AM GMT
    Per the link schools won't really have to teach gay history - just avoid anything negative about gays.

    Which is what schools already teach.... I went to Catholic School and none of our social studies books even touched on gays. I'm sure it's the same for the public schools.
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    May 27, 2011 1:51 AM GMT
    Umm... Ok....

    I remember my US history class talking a little bit about the Stonewall riots and the AIDS epidemic... what else really needs to be talked about in a history class? Is there going to be a required class on social activism now? Save that shit for liberal arts colleges-- high school is filled with enough fluff material anyways.