Unprofessional People!!! >-O

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    May 26, 2011 11:27 AM GMT
    So today was meant to have been my first Photo Shoot in regards to the EcoChic Handbags that I make.

    The magazine that is sponsoring the shoot told me that all I had to do was bring the bags the male model I had selected while they did the rest including providing the female model.

    Guess what happens, When everyone has gathered the coordinator who was handling the shoot calls up at the last min to say the shoot has been cancelled!! (he apparently wasn't answering any of the editors calls for the final confirmation)

    After giving a really pathetic excuse, the shoot has been delayed till next Wednesday

    Needless to to say the editor of magazine has apologized to me stating that this has never happened.

    I was livid, but outwardly I behaved calmly and said that this very unprofessional and awkward because I arranged for this day to be free from my job in order to be present for the shoot The male model also re arranged his exam schedule for me as well.


    The only silver lining was that at least I had spent the early morning and remainder of the afternoon lovemaking with the model! icon_twisted.gif

    EDIT NOTE time 9:45pm:

    The Model happens to be my friend and we see each other as play buddies on and off much prior to the shoot. He volunteered to be part of this shoot to help save me the cost of hiring another male model. Really don't mix business with pleasure and I only said the above as the only highlight of the day.



    So how many of you had to do deal with unprofessional people.

    FYI this sort of behavior is very common and being brought up in North America, I expect professionals to be has they say they are, professional....

    Nope instead people here behave like professional Douches!!! icon_evil.gificon_mad.gif
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    May 26, 2011 11:36 AM GMT
    Photoshoot was rescheduled? it happens.
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    May 26, 2011 12:12 PM GMT
    MikeInSLC saidPhotoshoot was rescheduled? it happens.

    At literally the last minute, when time and expense by the client has been expended? And ignoring calls for the final confirmation? Photoshoots may get cancelled, but I hope not in this manner very often, and I'm in sympathy with the OP.
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    May 26, 2011 12:13 PM GMT
    The same thing happened to the Rapture.


    You just can't depend on anyone these days....icon_wink.gif
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    May 26, 2011 12:15 PM GMT
    You slept with the male model and you're questioning the other peoples' professionalism?
  • HndsmKansan

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    May 26, 2011 12:20 PM GMT
    I would have been irritated, but react calmly. My suggestion to you is you develop a reputation of reacting professionally, reasonably. That doesn't mean you can't be upset or irritated, but "livid" isn't an emotion I'd encourage you to have in the business world.

    I don't like "bumbling" by others either, but reacting the right way and accepting that others are not perfect will go a long way for the day when... you.. act unprofessionally...
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    May 26, 2011 12:26 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidI would have been irritated, but react calmly. My suggestion to you is you develop a reputation of reacting professionally, reasonably. That doesn't mean you can't be upset or irritated, but "livid" isn't an emotion I'd encourage you to have in the business world.

    The OP wrote: "I was livid, but outwardly I behaved calmly..."
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    May 26, 2011 12:27 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    HndsmKansan saidI would have been irritated, but react calmly. My suggestion to you is you develop a reputation of reacting professionally, reasonably. That doesn't mean you can't be upset or irritated, but "livid" isn't an emotion I'd encourage you to have in the business world.

    The OP wrote: "I was livid, but outwardly I behaved calmly..."


    I read what he said... I still say being "livid" isn't appropriate, just accept that others aren't perfect.
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    May 26, 2011 12:32 PM GMT
    Someone once told me that whether you are an employee working for someone else, or on your own, consider the first 50% of the money you earn as simply compensation for doing your job and the rest as compensation for dealing with everything or everyone who happens to thwart your efforts.
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    May 26, 2011 12:36 PM GMT
    CAtoFL saidYou slept with the male model and you're questioning the other peoples' professionalism?
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    May 26, 2011 12:43 PM GMT
    Working in the travel industry as I do, I run into all types and unprofessional people make up a large part of it. Most of the time, I assist travel "professionals" when they can't (or won't make the effort) to find what their clients want.

    A few weeks ago, a travel agent called me looking for 10 rooms at an upscale Las Vegas hotel for her 20 clients. She barked out a few orders at me while I found the perfect location, had contracts prepared and faxed to hotel management and the deal was done. The entire booking came to over $11,000, which the agent received a 10 percent commission. She never said "Thank you." She hung up the phone on me once she received the faxed information. I don't receive a commission on what I do. I don't even get a "Thank you" from my employer.

    Travel "professionals" are not professional for the most part. They jump into the business thinking they will be jetting off to Fiji one day and Paris the next.

    On a good note, an actual client showed their appreciation while I put together a Walt Disney World vacation for them and kept the whole shooting match under $3,500. The guy's voice was actually breaking up over the phone and I knew he was in tears as I made their dreams and wishes come true. He thanked me, so I got some gratification out of that!

    People you work with actually do appreciate and respect you for all you do for them....you just have to seek them out.
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    May 26, 2011 12:49 PM GMT
    CAtoFL saidYou slept with the male model and you're questioning the other peoples' professionalism?


    +1 lmfao!
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    May 26, 2011 12:53 PM GMT
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    MikeInSLC saidPhotoshoot was rescheduled? it happens.

    At literally the last minute, when time and expense by the client has been expended? And ignoring calls for the final confirmation? Photoshoots may get cancelled, but I hope not in this manner very often, and I'm in sympathy with the OP.


    I hope he remembers "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."

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    May 26, 2011 12:54 PM GMT
    I know many people who work on photo shoots (including my partner) and there's a lot that goes into scheduling them. If one thing goes wrong it can throw of the whole timing (like when product doesn't arrive or it's damaged). Everyone I know is a freelancer and they place a hold on their days but often times the shoot may get postponed a day or two (or more) meaning they don't make any money that day (unless they are getting props).

    Socalfitness wroteSomeone once told me that whether you are an employee working for someone else, or on your own, consider the first 50% of the money you earn as simply compensation for doing your job and the rest as compensation for dealing with everything or everyone who happens to thwart your efforts.


    I completely agree! I deal with many frustrations and unprofessional behavior in my work. The only thing I can do is behave professionally and try not to let it get to me (which isn't easy for me).
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    May 26, 2011 1:12 PM GMT
    Don't trip over other these things. The world is full of problems, and most of them are caused by incompetence, bad luck, sloth and mischief.

    Just get a firm commitment from the other parties going forward. When somebody screws up, they're willing to make you whole, if not more. But sometimes you get screwed. Life isn't fair, and it's best to move on and avoid them.
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    May 26, 2011 1:46 PM GMT
    Working in Real Estate, I deal with unprofessional people pretty much on a daily basis, and it drives me crazy. Sometimes it's the ones who are really well-known and super successful who are the worst.

    Example: I showed a listing yesterday of one of the most successful and well know agents in Paradise Valley. I had never met her but had seen her name all over the place. It was a beautiful home on Camelback Mountain overlooking the city for $2.9 million. When we arrive, the agent , who is this frumpy woman in her late 60's, answered the door and I swear she looked like she had just crawled out of bed. She didn't have a stitch of makeup on, she was wearing this big Moo-Moo-like floral dress thing and WORSE she was chomping on an apple. She literally showed us around the house chomping on the apple and talking with her mouth full. She didn't appear to know anything about the house. My client asked her if she would turn the water-feature off on the pool so he could hear if there was any road noise from the road below, and she had no idea how to do that or even where the pool equipment was. I was astounded. icon_eek.gif
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    May 26, 2011 1:48 PM GMT
    CAtoFL saidYou slept with the male model and you're questioning the other peoples' professionalism?


    About that. We've been casually seeing on an off prior to this and because I mentioned about the shoot, he requested to model for my bags for free. He did this as a friend and I did tell him to charge me for the model service but he wouldn't have it because I am starting out and he supports my alternative sustainability .



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    May 26, 2011 1:51 PM GMT
    Fivealive said
    CAtoFL saidYou slept with the male model and you're questioning the other peoples' professionalism?


    About that. We've been casually seeing on an off prior to this and he wanted to model my men's messenger bags.



    yeeeah okay icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 26, 2011 2:00 PM GMT
    Think however you wish about the sleeping with the guy bit, I never did say I was perfect.



    Got a call from the editor.. The date has been selected for Wednesday and assures me that it will be done.

    As I am part of apparel firm. I constantly have to deal with production delays. They are to be expected but what really gets my goat is that the lack of notice.

    Because of it it bungles up an entire chain of process...

    So for Wednesday I'll have to bump something for Thursday but at least I;m going to be sending out a notice. My immediate Boss is really a nice guy but I do wonder if I'm testing his patience!!
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    May 26, 2011 2:15 PM GMT
    TheGuyNextDoor saidSadly, working with Artistic types,, this kinda shit is common place.
    Not right, but common place. Ever watch a little show called Project Runway?

    Yes... and no. If you have seen drag shows, they often start notoriously late. That's because the queens sashay in late, the producer having kittens until they appear, not sure he's got a show or not, or needs to reshuffle acts, with no word from them that they're delayed and on their way, or decided to suddenly move to South America.

    I'd do their lighting, and personally run follow spotlight (my favorite). And having arrived already late, tell me that their entrance was changed, stage right, not left, and they were going to move downstage for this part of the song, not upstage, and they wanted a gold gel half-way through when the song's lyrics change, not the pale pink we had rehearsed, etc, etc. Oh, and they're adding a number, so just wing it, Bob. Wing it? YOU wing it, bitch!

    And I'm supposed to remember all this, from a single briefing before they rush off backstage to get into costume? Not one, but several of them would pull this. And they'd do the same thing to the sound guy, bringing in totally different CDs than he had rehearsed, with different cuts for the songs, timing out differently, and he, too, was supposed to "wing it" and remember all these cues at the last minute.

    And yet these "ladies" were being paid by the club owners, in addition to their tips. Not an amateur night, most of them did drag year round, traveling a club circuit of several states. Apparently they thought acting like a diva was part of the package.

    On the other hand, you had someone like Miss Richfield 1981, for whom I ran spot a few times. Arriving early, the most pleasant & professional guy, he worked out the space & lighting with me before the audience arrived, very flexible, very agreeable. Then he changed into Miss Richfield and the show went up exactly on time.

    Of course these are entertainers, not creative artists in the sense perhaps meant here. But even so I've worked with painters, sculptors, photographers, and others, too, and while their personal lives may be flaky at times, I've not known any to stand me up.

    And if I myself had been AWOL or late for a TV or radio airing, which affords no time slack, I would have been instantly replaced. So I dunno, maybe photo shoots are the special exception, but I don't see why.
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    May 26, 2011 2:35 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidWorking in Real Estate, I deal with unprofessional people pretty much on a daily basis, and it drives me crazy. Sometimes it's the ones who are really well-known and super successful who are the worst.

    Example: I showed a listing yesterday of one of the most successful and well know agents in Paradise Valley. I had never met her but had seen her name all over the place. It was a beautiful home on Camelback Mountain overlooking the city for $2.9 million. When we arrive, the agent , who is this frumpy woman in her late 60's, answered the door and I swear she looked like she had just crawled out of bed. She didn't have a stitch of makeup on, she was wearing this big Moo-Moo-like floral dress thing and WORSE she was chomping on an apple. She literally showed us around the house chomping on the apple and talking with her mouth full. She didn't appear to know anything about the house. My client asked her if she would turn the water-feature off on the pool so he could hear if there was any road noise from the road below, and she had no idea how to do that or even where the pool equipment was. I was astounded. icon_eek.gif


    ^^^^^

    Why I moved to the commercial side of the business about seven years ago. You can well imagine what I went through in LA, and especially the west side.
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    May 26, 2011 2:44 PM GMT
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    MikeInSLC saidPhotoshoot was rescheduled? it happens.

    At literally the last minute, when time and expense by the client has been expended? And ignoring calls for the final confirmation? Photoshoots may get cancelled, but I hope not in this manner very often, and I'm in sympathy with the OP.


    I hope he remembers "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."



    Does that not go:

    "fool me once, shame on you, fool me...., you can't get fooled again"

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    May 26, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    Now true, in the commercial side of the business there are still upsets and big ones. It’s still stress, but a different kind of stress and the stakes are higher because of the size of the deals.

    One comes to mind that involved Cal Credit Union in Glendale. I was working a 1031 upleg for a buyer after selling his downleg – a multiunit residential to another friend of mine. We named our three properties during our 45 and then choose one outside of Cincy.

    We got our commitment, had all the 3rd parties done and everything to the letter of the credit union’s requirement because we absolutely had to be closed in 180 period. About two weeks before closing, the bank’s attorney stopped communicating with our attorney, which I interpret as a very bad sign, as there is likely something bad he needs someone at the bank to tell us, and he doesn’t want to be the one doing it. Coupled what was going on in the financial markets in early 2009, I knew we were in trouble. I was all over my mortgage broker for us to actually get in the car with me and go up to Glendale to visit the lender.

    In CRE deals, I always want multiple channels of communications with multiple individuals just in case there are personality conflicts or whatever. Our attorney is talking with the banks attorney, I establish a contact with the lender, and of course my mortgage broker is talking his contacts. No one was answering or returning emails or calls. Then we found out that the FDIC was in there. So 48 hours from closing I convinced my mortgage broker to go up there with me or I was going on my own. As soon as our bank contacts saw us, by the look on their face, I knew what had happened. So, here we are 48 hours from closing, chasing a hard money lender. We failed and cha ching to the tune of $250k to the IRS and another $93,000 to Cali FTB for my client.

    There’s still stress for sure, but it beats working with the West LA entertainment industry drama queens.
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    May 26, 2011 3:08 PM GMT
    TheGuyNextDoor saidSadly, working with Artistic types,, this kinda shit is common place.
    Not right, but common place. Ever watch a little show called Project Runway?
    !


    I serve on the Board of a Men's singing organization. We recently made a financial decision regarding next season's location for concerts. This ran contrary to the Assistant Artistic Director (conductor) and his views of what he wanted (a far more expensive location). He took it personally and ended up trashing the Board in writing in front of the whole chorus. He resigned, saying, "the Board does nothing" (but in more colorful language), but stated his resignation will be effective in 2 months. A year ago the organization was 10K in debt.. today $0. We accepted his resignation immediately and
    it was my job to bring in a replacement.
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    May 26, 2011 3:12 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    TheGuyNextDoor saidSadly, working with Artistic types,, this kinda shit is common place.
    Not right, but common place. Ever watch a little show called Project Runway?
    !


    I serve on the Board of a Men's singing organization. We recently made a financial decision regarding next season's location for concerts. This ran contrary to the Assistant Artistic Director (conductor) and his views of what he wanted (a far more expensive location). He took it personally and ended up trashing the Board in writing in front of the whole chorus. He resigned, saying, "the Board does nothing" (but in more colorful language), but stated his resignation will be effective in 2 months. A year ago the organization was 10K in debt.. today $0. We accepted his resignation immediately and
    it was my job to bring in a replacement.