Telling the truth, or being a bitch?

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    May 27, 2011 4:18 PM GMT
    I noticed that recently there are considerable amount of personal attacks. And when some fellow RJers tried to point these attacks out, the best defense that the attacker would say is that he was not a bitch, but rather just saying the truth. What do you guys think about this? Does being truthful means you can be bitchy?
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    May 27, 2011 5:10 PM GMT
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    May 27, 2011 5:17 PM GMT
    Anduru said

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    May 27, 2011 5:23 PM GMT
    theantijock said"Honesty without compassion is brutality"~~saying


    Yep, that about sums it up nicely. Some people think that they can say what they please...and excuse themselves for NOT saying what they actually appear to be.... a bitch.
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    May 27, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    because the nature of the truth itself is often critical and harsh , the person who says it is often mistaken as a bitch.

    exercising compassion and delivery techniques however can make you sound like less of a bitch.

    but then how do you know it's an insult and not constructive critcism ??

    So in the end also depends on how you receive what being said as well that makes that person seem like a bitch also.
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    May 27, 2011 7:26 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Friendsrbetter said
    theantijock said"Honesty without compassion is brutality"~~saying


    Yep, that about sums it up nicely.



    + 2.

    Telling the truth and being candid is not the same as being harsh.

    Look at it this way. How many people who claim to be brutally honest actually talk in the exact same fashion to people face to face?

    Many people here use this site to exploit their inner cunt and delude themselves into thinking that because this is a website that how we treat people through this medium does not compare to "real" life.

    Total hogwash, none of the cunts who have talked abusively toward me on here would do so to my face.

    And above all, most also delude themselves into believing that their opinion is inline with the truth. Another inane falsity.


    People wouldnt say it to your face because you look like you can smash their face in, lol.

    Just sayin!
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    May 27, 2011 7:30 PM GMT
    caribbeanmystic saidbecause the nature of the truth itself is often critical and harsh , the person who says it is often mistaken as a bitch.

    exercising compassion and delivery techniques however can make you sound like less of a bitch.

    but then how do you know it's an insult and not constructive critcism ??

    So in the end also depends on how you receive what being said as well that makes that person seem like a bitch also.


    I prefer constructive criticism.
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    May 27, 2011 9:38 PM GMT
    Last year my best friend stabbed me in the back and lied to me about everything after I was like the best friend she ever had. She's still trying to win me back to this day.

    From that day on I vowed I would be %100 honest. And honestly FUCK compassion! It means nothing, if they can't handle the cold raw honest truth which has been given to them they deserve to be lied to and be told everything in life is sugar coated. I say hear what you needa hear and move the fuck on, of course there will still be doubts upon themselves, but they need to learn to accept it. Yesterday I was in the biggest argument with all these guys because how I handled myself over someones questioning, and apparently my response was too harsh. Yes, it was. But so are many forceful things in life that need to get done. But I also offered constructive criticism as well, and left it at that.

    End of story, if someones to fucking pathetic to take it, then they too fucking pathetic for life. They're only words. And in everyday society, even at work. When ppl r told off they automatically take it as an attack. And don't take the feedback from it. Pathetic.

    If someones giving you honesty. Hold onto that motherfucker for dear life. Cuz that's a true fucking friend. Compassion will do nothing for you when you're 400 LBS and about to keel over.

    Thank you for this thread icon_smile.gif
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    May 27, 2011 9:41 PM GMT
    Also I'll just add I'm an extremely bitchy person, but I vowed to myself that I would offer my true opinions of anyone if they asked. Thing is, my real friends accept that. And know not everyone is seen in the perfect light and we all have faults. Other ppl who r fake n try to get everyone to like them but bitch about u behind your back don't. Just goes to show you whose moral compass is in the right. If your gonna bitch about me SAY IT TO MY FUCKING FACE!
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    May 28, 2011 12:14 AM GMT
    Kristoff saidAlso I'll just add I'm an extremely bitchy person, but I vowed to myself that I would offer my true opinions of anyone if they asked. Thing is, my real friends accept that. And know not everyone is seen in the perfect light and we all have faults. Other ppl who r fake n try to get everyone to like them but bitch about u behind your back don't. Just goes to show you whose moral compass is in the right. If your gonna bitch about me SAY IT TO MY FUCKING FACE!


    Sure I will bite. This thread, first of all, is only partially dedicated to you. I think it's nice that you don't mind brutal honesty. But you also have remember that not everybody operates the same way that you do. There are people who just cannot handle the truth, and prefer others to sugarcoat everything. In your case yesterday the guy did not ask for truth, absolute truth, and nothing but the truth. Besides, that was your personal opinion so you cannot say it as "truth" and claim that those are the opinion of all RJers. That's just not fair. You have to remember that not everyone is secure about themselves. In fact, the general public have fragile ego and thin skin. So next time before you say something "brutally honest", remember that there are feelings involved...the person who at the other end of the web, reading your response.

    That's all I can say without getting irritated and pissed off.
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    May 28, 2011 12:36 AM GMT
    waimea said
    Kristoff said...
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    Don't really care what this is about, but if you can't handle the answers then don't ask the question.

    Uncomfy truths should be told calmly, without resorting to name calling, personal insults, generalizations, absolutes and if it is only your opinion, then say as much.
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    May 28, 2011 12:43 AM GMT
    Kristoff saidblah blah blah i'm a whiny queen!

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    May 28, 2011 1:06 AM GMT
    No skin off my back, just cause I can handle the truth. I hate seeing weak people. Saddens me to think they have been brought up so... Sheltered. They really needa grow a pair.
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    May 28, 2011 1:12 AM GMT
    Kristoff saidNo skin off my back, just cause I can handle the truth. I hate seeing weak people. Saddens me to think they have been brought up so... Sheltered. They really needa grow a pair.

    Says the one who can't even fend for himself.
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    May 28, 2011 1:34 AM GMT
    waimea saidTelling the truth, or being a bitch?
    Both.
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    May 28, 2011 1:36 AM GMT
    TrevorMark said
    Kristoff saidNo skin off my back, just cause I can handle the truth. I hate seeing weak people. Saddens me to think they have been brought up so... Sheltered. They really needa grow a pair.

    Says the one who can't even fend for himself.


    Says the delusional one who acts like he's a human profiler by picking out easy traits then acting like he's a PROFESSIONAL in the biz! LOL!

    I love the whole "Nothing gets to me cuz I'm so tough thing you got going" LMFAO.

    You bring a tear to my eye... Of laughter icon_smile.gif
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    May 28, 2011 1:38 AM GMT
    Kristoff saidBlah blah blah I'm so awesome.

    Keep going. It's only making everyone else not like you as it should. icon_smile.gif
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    May 28, 2011 1:43 AM GMT
    Well, it depends on how you say something. You could say something truthful to a friend, in a non offending way..
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    May 28, 2011 1:46 AM GMT
    alexanderizaguirre saidWell, it depends on how you say something. You could say something truthful to a friend, in a non offending way..



    And what would that accomplish?

    Fat girl "I'm so fat"
    Friend "No you're not, you're cuddle size.."

    Gives permission to eat cake.

    Fat girl "NOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM!

    Scenario 2

    Fat girl "I'm so fat"
    Friend "Yeah, that's fucking right you pig"

    Fat girl understands

    Fat girl "Goes home n researches weight loss" Or gets belumia, in the end long as shes skinny right... I mean c'mon... Societys judging you!

    LOL.
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    May 28, 2011 1:47 AM GMT
    Most of the time, they're just being a bitch and then try and cover it up by saying that it was 'for their own good' and they were just being 'honest'. As if they were looking out for their best interests...right.

    Or they could have a huge deficit in social skills that results in them saying stuff in a harsh manner reflecting their own insecurities.

    I know a lot of queens at the club that bash on people, "urgh they ain't pretty" "aurgh they shouldn't be here" "blrugh he tried coming out in that?!" And when you confront them, they flutter their fingers before them, adopt the shit-under-their-nose look, and say, "I'm just being honest, I mean this is who I am"

    Sometimes people are honestly just bitches. Truths can be harsh and brutal, but should be said with tact and class. Cross that line and then you're just a bitch.
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    May 28, 2011 1:52 AM GMT
    Kristoff saidBlablaextremesblabla.


    Or this

    Friend: You're fat, and we both know this. I'm worried for you, try and come to the gym with me. I can give you some tips on nutrition too.

    Lacking in expletives and insults while at the same time maintaining class, dignity, constructive suggestions, and the truth. How do I know this? I said the exact same line above to one of my former obese friends. Now she's banging hot. Its a friends role to help guide another friend, but it shouldn't be done in such a malicious manner. Or idk, maybe thats how you act with your friends. My friends and I would not tolerate such rudeness.
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    May 28, 2011 6:31 AM GMT
    TrevorMark said
    Kristoff saidBlah blah blah I'm so awesome.

    Keep going. It's only making everyone else not like you as it should. icon_smile.gif


    Yeah, I tend to agree with you, Trev...never really noticed this guy until today.
    Starting to look like a good candidate for the IGNORE button, huh???
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    May 28, 2011 6:35 AM GMT
    It depends - you can always say the truth, of course, but it matters how you say it, because if your truth is somehow offensive to someone else, then yeah it is kind of bitchy. There are ways to express one's opinion without hurting someone else's.
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    May 28, 2011 1:56 PM GMT

    If it were the truth, the anger wouldn't be there.Instead, this so called truth is just a shitty personal opinion of the RealJock member. The anger comes because rejection of it is not detached rejection of a fact, but more personal, rejection of their beloved opinion, thus, a rejection of them. It's stupid because they pounce first. Think of it as those wild life videos where the predator goes in for the kill but gets pawned by a wily bison or something that side steps and kicks the lioness in the face. But I shouldn't compare humans to animals, she'd be doing that to eat, detached from her emotions, not to hurt another creature on purpose.

    Think about it. Do you get angry when you say, "the sun is hot or red woods are tall? No. But when you say the gay flag is retarded and ugly....all of a sudden, anger. Truth is neutral, doesn't need to be bolstered by anger. Opinions, which lies and opinions can be close or the same, are slanted and anger is a slanted emotion. Say what you will about how vile humans are, but no one is just angry, but angry at something and that's the truth.



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    May 28, 2011 2:02 PM GMT
    5ebastian said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    Chainers said

    People wouldnt say it to your face because you look like you can smash their face in, lol.

    Just sayin!


    If I am in a cunt mood I just might do that. icon_twisted.gif


    I'm confused, so would you call someone a kike to their face or is that just something you feel comfortable doing exclusively online?


    MuchMoreThanMuscle called someone a kike?! Say what?! Prove it I don't believe it.