2 Separate Polls - U.S. Adults Estimate That 25% of Americans Are Gay or Lesbian, 40% Born This Way

  • metta

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    May 27, 2011 5:34 PM GMT
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/147824/Adults-Estimate-Americans-Gay-Lesbian.aspx

    lol


    Homosexuality: Born This Way? Only 40% Of Americans Think So

    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/homosexuality-born-this-way-only-40-of-americans-think-so/news/2011/05/26/20842

    ***rolls eyes***
  • Mepark

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    May 27, 2011 7:07 PM GMT
    Well at least the rest don't think it's a choice. The problem is we still haven't found a single clue that homosexuality is biological, which would explain born this way. No need to roll your eyes since like last week a majority supported gay marriage, and that's all that matters.
  • BeingThePhoen...

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    May 27, 2011 7:33 PM GMT
    Well, since most "straight guys" are more bi than not (down low), it may be easier for scientists to hunt down the straight gene. icon_cool.gif
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    May 27, 2011 7:48 PM GMT
    It's not something that is all or nothing, like black hair or etc. Sexuality is a continuum and guys fall on it with varying attractions between two poles. MOST, if not all, guys experience same-sex attractions in varying capacities so finding a gene that determines if a guy has same-sex attractions would be that same as finding out if the guy is, indeed, a guy.
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    May 27, 2011 7:58 PM GMT
    Think about it for a moment: who are our closest biological cousins (species-wise) ?


    The Bonobo.

    There's a ton of socially patterned bisexuality going on there.

    I think with a what, 96%+ similarity in our genomes, there just might be a little cross over effect.

    IMHO, without culture or nurture being taken into account, we are all various shades of grey between full exclusive homosexuality and heterosexuality.

    In B4 TBA/Pattison and his 100% pure homo statement. icon_biggrin.gif
  • BeingThePhoen...

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    May 27, 2011 8:14 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidThink about it for a moment: who are our closest biological cousins (species-wise) ?


    The Bonobo.

    There's a ton of socially patterned bisexuality going on there.

    I think with a what, 96%+ similarity in our genomes, there just might be a little cross over effect.

    IMHO, without culture or nurture being taken into account, we are all various shades of grey between full exclusive homosexuality and heterosexuality.

    In B4 TBA/Pattison and his 100% pure homo statement. icon_biggrin.gif

    Truth.
  • Anto

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    May 27, 2011 8:23 PM GMT
    I'm pretty sure that most people believe that black people are born that way - that hasn't stopped people from being racist.
    Most people believe that women are born that way too - again, hasn't stopped people from treating that sex badly.

    Whether it's a choice or not or inborn or not really doesn't have much to do with how people will treat others for it, at least not from what history has shown.

    I think if gay people are treated better simply because it's proven to be biological or/and because the majority happens to change and accept gay people, it won't be a true win for human rights because it won't be people treating other people better out of principle. Human rights should not be something that is granted based on some contingency like because one is born a certain way or because a majority has changed it's mine on whether a group of people should be treated as equals.
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    May 27, 2011 8:29 PM GMT
    metta8 saidHomosexuality: Born This Way? Only 40% Of Americans Think So
    That's because the other 60% are bisexual, so they DO have a choice.
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    May 27, 2011 8:36 PM GMT
    BeingThePhoenix saidWell, since most "straight guys" are more bi than not (down low), it may be easier for scientists to hunt down the straight gene. icon_cool.gif


    Maybe it's because I live in Oz that I have never found that "most" straight men are not more bi than strait. Because if you are not straight you are either bi or gay and bi is not gay either they even have their very own pride Flag to prove that too. Seems to me because of insecurity it's a myth some gay/bi men want to perpetuate to help them feel they really are the norm.

    from what I have experienced from many of our half brothers the bisexuals, their is a confusion about them about their sexuality that strait and gay men do not have to deal with, because neither of us are both

    Just as I would never ever do the nasty with a women, death is a better option, and this is what makes me a Gold card gay, not bisexual. I know there are men who would take death over doing the nasty with another man, because they to are not a half brother a bisexual, they are straight.....Why all the confusion it's all so very simple.
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    May 27, 2011 8:49 PM GMT
    and some still wonder why creationism should be banned from public schools.
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    May 27, 2011 9:13 PM GMT
    I amazes me how many people think homosexuality is a choice. If you ask them if their heterosexuality is a choice, some will say "Well, I'm normal and choice wasn't an issue." How some justify their prejudices.
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    May 27, 2011 9:46 PM GMT
    Well, if they believe (on average) that one in four are gay I can see why they would feel threatened ;)

    Seriously though, I'm not convinced that people weren't simply confused by the question or were preoccupied with something else while answering.

    They should do a control question with 1 in 100, 1 in 50, 1 in 20, ... 1 in 2, just to check if they get similar results.
    Control question for Born This Way should be about whether babies are born heterosexual like antijock suggested.
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    May 27, 2011 9:49 PM GMT
    I'd much rather not have a biological genetic basis. The whackos would be striving like heck to eliminate us all by way of test tube.
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    May 27, 2011 9:56 PM GMT
    dayumm saidI'd much rather not have a biological genetic basis. The whackos would be striving like heck to eliminate us all by way of test tube.


    OMG and they are already looking for the cure, I can tell you, because Genetics play a bloody big role, so does our mums hormones.

    I was to read a number of years a go and finding that: a great number of people who had sufferd polio, were producing homosexual children.
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    May 27, 2011 10:45 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie said
    BeingThePhoenix saidWell, since most "straight guys" are more bi than not (down low), it may be easier for scientists to hunt down the straight gene. icon_cool.gif


    Maybe it's because I live in Oz that I have never found that "most" straight men are not more bi than strait. Because if you are not straight you are either bi or gay and bi is not gay either they even have their very own pride Flag to prove that too. Seems to me because of insecurity it's a myth some gay/bi men want to perpetuate to help them feel they really are the norm.

    from what I have experienced from many of our half brothers the bisexuals, their is a confusion about them about their sexuality that strait and gay men do not have to deal with, because neither of us are both

    Just as I would never ever do the nasty with a women, death is a better option, and this is what makes me a Gold card gay, not bisexual. I know there are men who would take death over doing the nasty with another man, because they to are not a half brother a bisexual, they are straight.....Why all the confusion it's all so very simple.

    Perhaps you are correct, since I have never met an Aussie face to face, but here in the American south I have had many encounters with "straight" men who had "never thought about men sexually until they met me. Most of the gay men (and women, for that matter) I know have a similar story. Maybe my saying "most straight men" is an exaggeration, but there are certainly a lot.
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    May 27, 2011 10:54 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidThink about it for a moment: who are our closest biological cousins (species-wise) ?


    The Bonobo.

    There's a ton of socially patterned bisexuality going on there.

    I think with a what, 96%+ similarity in our genomes, there just might be a little cross over effect.

    IMHO, without culture or nurture being taken into account, we are all various shades of grey between full exclusive homosexuality and heterosexuality.


    The 60% that doesn't think "born this way" is true overlaps significantly with the x% that thinks that
    1. Humans are created, and uniquely too (i.e. not related to the bonobo or the chimpanzee)
    2. Bonobos don't have souls and so can do all kinds of "sinful" things since they don't need saved anyway
    3. Sociobiologists and biologists are all liberals and lie when they document homosexual acts in other species
    4. And finally, evolution is Devil's work. icon_lol.gif
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    May 27, 2011 11:11 PM GMT
    BeingThePhoenix said
    True_blue_aussie said
    BeingThePhoenix saidWell, since most "straight guys" are more bi than not (down low), it may be easier for scientists to hunt down the straight gene. icon_cool.gif


    Maybe it's because I live in Oz that I have never found that "most" straight men are not more bi than strait. Because if you are not straight you are either bi or gay and bi is not gay either they even have their very own pride Flag to prove that too. Seems to me because of insecurity it's a myth some gay/bi men want to perpetuate to help them feel they really are the norm.

    from what I have experienced from many of our half brothers the bisexuals, their is a confusion about them about their sexuality that strait and gay men do not have to deal with, because neither of us are both

    Just as I would never ever do the nasty with a women, death is a better option, and this is what makes me a Gold card gay, not bisexual. I know there are men who would take death over doing the nasty with another man, because they to are not a half brother a bisexual, they are straight.....Why all the confusion it's all so very simple.

    Perhaps you are correct, since I have never met an Aussie face to face, but here in the American south I have had many encounters with "straight" men who had "never thought about men sexually until they met me. Most of the gay men (and women, for that matter) I know have a similar story. Maybe my saying "most straight men" is an exaggeration, but there are certainly a lot.


    Just as christians can not turn a homosexual heterosexual. homosexuals can not turn a heterosexual homosexual. We are born the way we are, it is our half brothers with all the chooses, and ability to swing.
  • Rowing_Ant

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    May 27, 2011 11:24 PM GMT
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    Just as christians can not turn a homosexual heterosexual. homosexuals can not turn a heterosexual homosexual. We are born the way we are, it is our half brothers with all the chooses, and ability to swing.[/quote]

    As someone who as you so politely and nicely term is a "Half Brother" I find the notion that Bisexual people can chose is down right insulting and ignorant. I find I enjoy and sometimes need a relationship and sex with a man or a women and get completely differant things from both relationships but they fulfil me. Its not about "oooo do I feel like cock or tit today"? Its about feeling a connectedness to someone as a person, being sexually attracted to someone. Either being able to or wanting to or needing a relationship with one or both sexes.