This week - a watershed for this Administration

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    May 28, 2011 3:12 AM GMT
    If anyone objective had any lingering doubts about the incompetence of this Administration, the events this week put those doubts away. Two events have dramatically put in focus the ineptitude and lack of leadership demonstrated by the White House.

    Demonstrating extremely poor judgement, Obama made a speech on mid-east peace, declaring Israel must go back to earlier boundaries. Whatever your opinion of the mid-east situation, Netanyahu's not backing down and holding his ground in the White House was humiliating for Obama. Even Congressional Democratic leaders distanced themselves from Obama.

    From an Arab website:
    http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=46331
    Congress standing ovation to Netanyahu shatters Obama’s peace plan... In all, Netanyahu scored nearly 30 standing ovations from lawmakers of all stripes, close to those obtained by President Barack Obama himself in his State of the Union address.

    Then the same week, with most acknowledging a deficit problem, zero is the number of votes Obama got for his own tax-and-spend budget, a blueprint that not one of his own party had the backbone to support. It went down, 97-0. A crisis of leadership in its most blatant form.

    These two events, one international, the other domestic, couldn't be a more obvious sign of the total incompetence of Obama. The Republicans will easily deal with the mediscare tactic once the impact of Obamacare is fully explained. 2012 will be an interesting year. Can't wait.
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    May 28, 2011 3:33 AM GMT
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    So, really, is the bubble the result of an auto-immune disorder? You can't really live this far under a rock of self-induced right-wing propaganda.
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    May 28, 2011 3:43 AM GMT
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    So, really, is the bubble the result of an auto-immune disorder? You can't really live this far under a rock of self-induced right-wing propaganda.

    I guess after I exposed your criticism of a university paper, having forgotten that you previous said you did not understand the math behind it, you aren't trying to muster any semblance of a response. But in this case, I can hardly blame you. Very difficult to counter the glaringly obvious facts I mentioned.
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    May 28, 2011 3:55 AM GMT
    Sorry to bust your bubble Socal, but President Obama poll numbers have headed north during all of 2011.

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    His average is well above 50% approval. Read it and weep.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html


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    May 28, 2011 4:03 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidicon_lol.gif

    So, really, is the bubble the result of an auto-immune disorder? You can't really live this far under a rock of self-induced right-wing propaganda.

    The most blatant part of the propaganda he's selling is the 0-97 budget vote. That was a procedural device, to remove the President's February budget proposal from consideration, since it had become obsolete due to subsequent budget negotiations, most notably by Vice President Biden.

    This was not a vote ON the budget, but clearing the way for the next budget proposal. Does anybody really believe not a single Democrat would vote for the President? Really?

    What a lot of lying, Republican propaganda, aimed at naive voters who don't understand the budget process in Congress. And count on socialfitness to trumpet that dishonest crap, like the good right-wing soldier he is.
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    May 28, 2011 4:06 AM GMT
    White4DarkerFL saidSorry to bust your bubble Socal, but President Obama poll numbers have headed north during all of 2011.

    His average is well above 50% approval. Read it and weep.

    Well above 50%? You need chart reading lessons.

    Posted at 02:27 PM ET, 03/30/2011 - Obama’s popularity sinks with his ‘do nothing’ strategy
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/obamas-popularity-sinks-with-his-do-nothing-strategy/2011/03/29/AFkwki3B_blog.html

    He got up to 52% after Bin Laden, but most experts believe the impact of that bump will be temporary.
    [url]http://www.gallup.com/tag/Presidential%2bJob%2bApproval.aspx[/url]

    Only a prediction on my part, but based on the events in the OP, I think you're the one who will be weeping big time.
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    May 28, 2011 4:09 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidicon_lol.gif

    So, really, is the bubble the result of an auto-immune disorder? You can't really live this far under a rock of self-induced right-wing propaganda.

    The most blatant part of the propaganda he's selling is the 0-97 budget vote. That was a procedural device, to remove the President's February budget proposal from consideration, since it had become obsolete due to subsequent budget negotiations, most notably by Vice President Biden.

    This was not a vote ON the budget, but clearing the way for the next budget proposal. Does anybody really believe not a single Democrat would vote for the President? Really?

    What a lot of lying, Republican propaganda, aimed at naive voters who don't understand the budget process in Congress. And count on socialfitness to trumpet that dishonest crap, like the good right-wing soldier he is.

    The Obama budget had been completely discredited. The Republicans forced the procedural vote, but it showed how irrelevant the Obama budget became, along with Obama's leadership both domestically and internationally. Do you also suggest the standing ovations for Netanyahu after he rebuked Obama were only staged? Your arguments are totally lame.
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    May 28, 2011 5:03 AM GMT
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    White4DarkerFL saidSorry to bust your bubble Socal, but President Obama poll numbers have headed north during all of 2011.

    His average is well above 50% approval. Read it and weep.


    ...Only a prediction on my part, but based on the events in the OP, I think you're the one who will be weeping big time.


    The only people weeping are the voters, for being duped by the republicans.

    Everybody under age 55 saw republicans vote to steal their Medicare and SS. I'm 49 and paid hundreds of thousands of dollars into these programs. If I was a republican, I'd be voting for a democrat. This is exactly why democrats won in NY this week.

    The last thing the under 55 crowd wants to see Obama defeated by some thief republican...who will take their medicare and give more tax cuts to the Koch and Walton billionaire trust fund babies.



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    May 28, 2011 5:05 AM GMT
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    White4DarkerFL saidSorry to bust your bubble Socal, but President Obama poll numbers have headed north during all of 2011.

    His average is well above 50% approval. Read it and weep.


    ...Only a prediction on my part, but based on the events in the OP, I think you're the one who will be weeping big time.


    The only people who are weeping are the voters, for being duped by the republicans.

    Everybody under age 55 saw republicans vote to steal their Medicare and SS. I'm 49 and paid hundreds of thousands of dollars into these programs. If I was a republican, I'd be voting for a democrat. This is exactly why democrats won in NY this week.

    The last thing the under 55 crowd wants to see Obama defeated by some thief republican...who will take their medicare and give more tax cuts to the Koch and Walton billionaire trust fund babies.


    I'm curious - do you believe that the problems claimed by Republicans and others on the unsustainability of Social Security and Medicare are simply makebelieve?
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    May 28, 2011 5:19 AM GMT
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    White4DarkerFL said
    socalfitness said
    White4DarkerFL saidSorry to bust your bubble Socal, but President Obama poll numbers have headed north during all of 2011.

    His average is well above 50% approval. Read it and weep.


    ...Only a prediction on my part, but based on the events in the OP, I think you're the one who will be weeping big time.


    The only people who are weeping are the voters, for being duped by the republicans.

    Everybody under age 55 saw republicans vote to steal their Medicare and SS. I'm 49 and paid hundreds of thousands of dollars into these programs. If I was a republican, I'd be voting for a democrat. This is exactly why democrats won in NY this week.

    The last thing the under 55 crowd wants to see Obama defeated by some thief republican...who will take their medicare and give more tax cuts to the Koch and Walton billionaire trust fund babies.


    I'm curious - do you believe that the problems claimed by Republicans and others on the unsustainability of Social Security and Medicare are simply makebelieve?


    They're not completely fictional, just wildly overstated and more than capable of being corrected for the foreseeable future with moderate changes to spending, regulation and taxation.
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    May 28, 2011 5:39 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidWhite4DarkerFL said
    socalfitness saidWhite4DarkerFL saidEverybody under age 55 saw republicans vote to steal their Medicare and SS. I'm 49 and paid hundreds of thousands of dollars into these programs. If I was a republican, I'd be voting for a democrat. This is exactly why democrats won in NY this week.

    The last thing the under 55 crowd wants to see Obama defeated by some thief republican...who will take their medicare and give more tax cuts to the Koch and Walton billionaire trust fund babies.


    I'm curious - do you believe that the problems claimed by Republicans and others on the unsustainability of Social Security and Medicare are simply makebelieve?


    I think these charts clearly spell out the problem.

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    Which leads to an obvious question I have for all you republicans...why do your republicans oppose implementing ideas from other countries...where people pay half as much for medical care, but live longer?

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    May 28, 2011 11:01 AM GMT
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    Which leads to an obvious question I have for all you republicans...why do your republicans oppose implementing ideas from other countries...where people pay half as much for medical care, but live longer?



    Because those models do not make anyone rich. If someone can't make a lot of money from an activity, they do not find it worthwhile.
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    May 28, 2011 12:48 PM GMT
    Its been a horrible May for republicans, your attempt to create a "dust up" for the President doesn't have much validity.
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    May 28, 2011 1:38 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidIts been a horrible May for republicans, your attempt to create a "dust up" for the President doesn't have much validity.

    You can believe your own fiction and what you take as gospel from your left wing spin site (enjoy your thread btw, think I will reference this one), but the two events I mentioned in the OP are most significant. The international one speaks for itself, and the domestic one, saying vote is just procedural only reinforces the point. A President's budget proposal is supposed to be taken seriously, but this one became completely irrelevant.
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    May 28, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
    Obama merely reiterated the stance of every other American president on Israel: that the 1967 borders are the basis for negotiated land swaps.

    Israel has in fact essentially agreed to this on multiple occasions, because it is the basis of the camp David parameters negotiated under Clinton. Let us not forget that it was the Palestinian side that refused to accept this and not Israel!!!

    Netanyahu, as is to be expected, has behaved yet again atrociously and what is profoundly disturbing is that American politicians have gone along with it.
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    May 28, 2011 3:07 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidObama merely reiterated the stance of every other American president on Israel: that the 1967 borders are the basis for negotiated land swaps.

    Israel has in fact essentially agreed to this on multiple occasions, because it is the basis of the camp David parameters negotiated under Clinton. Let us not forget that it was the Palestinian side that refused to accept this and not Israel!!!

    Netanyahu, as is to be expected, has behaved yet again atrociously and what is profoundly disturbing is that American politicians have gone along with it.

    My point in this thread is, aside from the mid-east specifics, Obama's words represented a gross miscalculation. He has had a reputation among many as being biased for his statements and actions over the past two years. That particular speech, and the words he used, had a reaction from Netanyahu that was very predictable. The distancing of even Democratic leaders and the extremely warm reception Netanyahu received in Congress further isolated Obama. The effect, as quoted from the Arab website, that the speech had a chilling effect on the peace process, was accurate.
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    May 28, 2011 3:13 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    White4DarkerFL said
    Which leads to an obvious question I have for all you republicans...why do your republicans oppose implementing ideas from other countries...where people pay half as much for medical care, but live longer?

    Because those models do not make anyone rich. If someone can't make a lot of money from an activity, they do not find it worthwhile.

    Well the $87,000 pharmacy bill my partner got for 12 days in the hospital in Oct, 2009, certainly made somebody rich. And I was there with him the whole time, he was getting mainly morphine and blood thinners, nothing rare or exotic. The entire bill ran somewhere around $400,000. You'd think they had transplanted every major organ in his body, and what they did was break some legs clots that had caused gangrene to develop.
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    May 28, 2011 5:21 PM GMT
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    TigerTim saidObama merely reiterated the stance of every other American president on Israel: that the 1967 borders are the basis for negotiated land swaps.

    Israel has in fact essentially agreed to this on multiple occasions, because it is the basis of the camp David parameters negotiated under Clinton. Let us not forget that it was the Palestinian side that refused to accept this and not Israel!!!

    Netanyahu, as is to be expected, has behaved yet again atrociously and what is profoundly disturbing is that American politicians have gone along with it.

    My point in this thread is, aside from the mid-east specifics, Obama's words represented a gross miscalculation. He has had a reputation among many as being biased for his statements and actions over the past two years. That particular speech, and the words he used, had a reaction from Netanyahu that was very predictable. The distancing of even Democratic leaders and the extremely warm reception Netanyahu received in Congress further isolated Obama. The effect, as quoted from the Arab website, that the speech had a chilling effect on the peace process, was accurate.


    Not in the slightest. The fact that American politicians can't have a grown up debate about Israel is, and has been, a significantly chilling effect on the peace process. The reaction from congress was absolutely disgusting: it makes the US look incredibly weak!!!

    You're right that netanyahu's reaction was predictable. It was so because he is a bully. Obama has, I think, gained a very small amount of credibility by reiterating a long held and entirely reasonable American position.

    You seem to be ignoring the fact that Israel itself has in the past agreed to exactly the formulation Obama proposed. Could it be that bibi is the one to blame here?
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    May 28, 2011 5:27 PM GMT
    Indeed, the Clinton parameters, which Israel accepted and were formulated almost exactly along these lines, are a favorite point of our pro-Israel friend caesarea4. He's right to accept them because they're eminently sensible!

    How on earth can a reiteration of this formulation be construed as "throwing Israel under a bus" when, just to repeat the point, Israel has already agreed to it!!!

    It just makes no sense at all to me!?!?!?
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    May 28, 2011 7:11 PM GMT
    TigerTim said ...You seem to be ignoring the fact that Israel itself has in the past agreed to exactly the formulation Obama proposed. Could it be that bibi is the one to blame here?

    That is not the point I am making in the thread. It's not about Israel, Hamas, etc. My point specifically pertains to Obama's lack of judgement in making the speech as he did, not anticipating the likely outcome.
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    May 28, 2011 7:25 PM GMT
    Poor socal.
    After reading this unbelievably lame thread, I almost feel sorry for him.
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    May 28, 2011 8:11 PM GMT
    The Democratic plan for a budget was voted down with 0 votes in favor.
    The Republican plan was voted down with only 40 votes in favor.
    It doesn't matter how close it was. You only have to win by ONE VOTE.

    As far as the Middle East is concerned, our President gave his opinion.
    But, that's all it is: his opinion.

    You're trying to make a big deal (and trying to smear our President) for one reason, only: HE'S A DEMOCRAT. Oh, and HE'S BLACK.
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    May 28, 2011 8:19 PM GMT
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    TigerTim said ...You seem to be ignoring the fact that Israel itself has in the past agreed to exactly the formulation Obama proposed. Could it be that bibi is the one to blame here?

    That is not the point I am making in the thread. It's not about Israel, Hamas, etc. My point specifically pertains to Obama's lack of judgement in making the speech as he did, not anticipating the likely outcome.


    So you're actually saying that Obama should have remained silent and let Bibi walk all over America (as Congress appears content to allow him to do)?

    What exactly should Obama have said?

    I really find this absolutely breathtaking. It is clearly in the American National Interest for a two state solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. That solution will inevitably be along the lines of the Clinton parameters, which Mr Obama has reiterated.

    Netanyahu has repeatedly displayed nothing but contempt for the US. Mr Obama did *by far* the most reasonable thing under the circumstance. Far from denounce Mr Netanyahu—with considerable justification under the circumstances—he merely made firm the long-held American position. Given the nauseating groveling that congress made to Mr Netanyahu, who blatantly twisted Mr Obama's words, it seems that Mr Obama has the rare virtue of being about the only sane one in the whole sorry affair.


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    May 28, 2011 8:53 PM GMT
    In fact, just so that we're all COMPLETELY aware what a blatant hypocrite socalfitness actually is, let's all take a look at George Bush's stance on Israel:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1575285/George-Bush-predicts-deal-on-Palestinian-state.html

    which is—unsurprisingly—completely identical to what Mr Obama just said, even down to the 1967 borders.

    It beggars belief that socalfitness would have the President of the United States kowtow to the Israeli PM!
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    May 28, 2011 8:57 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidIn fact, just so that we're all COMPLETELY aware what a blatant hypocrite socalfitness actually is, let's all take a look at George Bush's stance on Israel:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1575285/George-Bush-predicts-deal-on-Palestinian-state.html

    which is—unsurprisingly—completely identical to what Mr Obama just said, even down to the 1967 borders.

    It beggars belief that socalfitness would have the President of the United States kowtow to the Israeli PM!



    Indeed.
    But as they prove on a near daily basis -
    THE REPUBS WILL SAY ANYTHING!