NOAM CHOMSKY: On why Right Wing Media & Politicians Bully Gays and Immigrants.

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    May 28, 2011 6:16 AM GMT
    Noam Chomsky is one of the top intellectuals of our time.

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    May 28, 2011 6:35 AM GMT
    I kept waiting for this allegedly "one of the intellectuals of our time" to say something "intelligent" --- guess I missed it icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 28, 2011 12:31 PM GMT
    Wow. He nailed it. Unfortunately it will fall mostly on deaf ears.
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    May 28, 2011 12:43 PM GMT
    I mean to say look how the liberal media terrorists, have attacked Governor Palin and her family, yet they over look the the transgressions of the Clintons, and people like them.
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    May 28, 2011 1:37 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidI mean to say look how the liberal media terrorists, have attacked Governor Palin and her family, yet they over look the the transgressions of the Clintons, and people like them.


    Chomsky is actually extremely critical of the Clintons.
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    May 28, 2011 2:27 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI kept waiting for this allegedly "one of the intellectuals of our time to say something "intelligent" --- guess I missed it icon_rolleyes.gif


    this clip isn't the best representation of chomsky as it's lacking in background... this man is a genius and one of the most influential writers of our time...

    try checking out http://www.chomsky.info/
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    May 28, 2011 2:28 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidI kept waiting for this allegedly "one of the intellectuals of our time to say something "intelligent" --- guess I missed it icon_rolleyes.gif


    Curious...sometimes you really disappoint me. Open your mind, brother. Chomsky spoke some very important truths about the reality we are all living in today.
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    May 28, 2011 2:36 PM GMT
    Republicans and Nazis both blame the same groups for our problems. Immigrants, gays, liberals, intellectuals, Hollywood, teachers, etc.

    Republicans blame Jews by proxy...since over 80% of Jews are liberals. George Soros is Jewish, wealthy, immigrant, liberal and intellectual...so no wonder he is the #1 Republican target. Glenn Beck says that Soros is deliberately plotting with democrats to destroy our financial system.

    And as Chomsky points out...people actually believe this crap.
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    May 28, 2011 2:44 PM GMT
    cosmicjewboy said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI kept waiting for this allegedly "one of the intellectuals of our time to say something "intelligent" --- guess I missed it icon_rolleyes.gif


    Curious...sometimes you really disappoint me. Open your mind, brother. Chomsky spoke some very important truths about the reality we are all living in today.




    I'm not saying that he didn't make his point eloquently, but it was still skewed towards painting the Rush Limbaugh's and Michael Savage's of the world as the enemy -- people who spout misinformation that people believe. I'm not saying that this isn't true to some degree, but it works both ways. The liberal media is just as guilty of stretching the truth to make their point as the right-wing media is, but I didn't really hear Chomsky point that out. He was coming from a point of view, merely expressing HIS opinion, not necessarily spouting brilliance.
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    May 28, 2011 2:46 PM GMT
    White4DarkerFL saidRepublicans and Nazis both blame the same groups for our problems. Immigrants, gays, liberals, intellectuals, Hollywood, teachers, etc.

    Republicans blame Jews by proxy...since over 80% of Jews are liberals. George Soros is Jewish, wealthy, immigrant, liberal and intellectual...so no wonder he is the #1 Republican target. Glenn Beck says that Soros is deliberately plotting with democrats to destroy our financial system.

    And as Chomsky points out...people actually believe this crap.


    Religion and politics in the same post... this isn't going to end well at all icon_exclaim.gif
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    May 28, 2011 2:47 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    cosmicjewboy said
    CuriousJockAZ saidI kept waiting for this allegedly "one of the intellectuals of our time to say something "intelligent" --- guess I missed it icon_rolleyes.gif


    Curious...sometimes you really disappoint me. Open your mind, brother. Chomsky spoke some very important truths about the reality we are all living in today.




    I'm not saying that he didn't make his point eloquently, but it was still skewed towards painting the Rush Limbaugh's and Michael Savage's of the world as the enemy -- people who spout misinformation that people believe. I'm not saying that this isn't true to some degree, but it works both ways. The liberal media is just as guilty of stretching the truth to make their point as the right-wing media is, but I didn't really hear Chomsky point that out. He was coming from a point of view, merely expressing HIS opinion, not necessarily spouting brilliance. Of course, there are those people that will believe his POV -- case in point, the OP -- who equates Republicans with The Nazis. Extreme points of view swirl all around us coming from ALL directions, not just the right. THAT, CosmicJewboy, IS having an "open mind".
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    May 28, 2011 2:52 PM GMT
    miamimasseur saidWow. He nailed it. Unfortunately it will fall mostly on deaf ears.


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    May 28, 2011 2:57 PM GMT
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    miamimasseur saidWow. He nailed it. Unfortunately it will fall mostly on deaf ears.


    Just look above you icon_wink.gif



    Maybe you're the one with deaf ears, Creature. I'm not saying Chomsky didn't make his point, I'm saying that he only told half of the story.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI'm not saying that he didn't make his point eloquently, but it was still skewed towards painting the Rush Limbaugh's and Michael Savage's of the world as the enemy -- people who spout misinformation that people believe. I'm not saying that this isn't true to some degree, but it works both ways. The liberal media is just as guilty of stretching the truth to make their point as the right-wing media is, but I didn't really hear Chomsky point that out. He was coming from a point of view, merely expressing HIS opinion, not necessarily spouting brilliance.


    The difference is...Liberals don't blame groups.

    Republicans and Conservatives do.

    Nazis still do.

    When 9/11 struck...it was the Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson who had an answer..."Just like Sodom and Gomorrah, God will destroy us because of the homosexuals. 9/11 was a warning." In fact, religious broadcasters commonly use gays to stir up their listeners.

    But even the secular right wingers blame gays for societal problems. Michael Savage references Sodom and Gomorrah and the bible when talking about gays. Dr. Laura the 'psychologist' says that gays should not be allowed near children, as we can't control our sexual impulses. Limbaugh and Hannity have said the gays in the military will destroy moral..and endanger the safety of our country.






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    May 28, 2011 3:15 PM GMT
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    Wrong.

    Liberals don't blame groups.

    Republicans do.

    Nazis still do.

    When 9/11 struck...it was the Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson types who had an answer..."Just like Sodom and Gomorrah, God will destroy us because of the homosexuals. 9/11 was a warning." In fact, religious broadcasters commonly use gays to stir up their listeners.

    But even the secular right wingers blame gays for societal problems. Michael Savage references Sodom and Gomorrah and the bible when talking about gays. Dr. Laura the 'psychologist' says that gays should not be allowed near children, as we can't control our sexual impulses. Limbaugh and Hannity have said the gays in the military will destroy moral..and endanger the safety of our country.




    Again, you're using extreme examples to try and generalize an entire group. You are only telling part of the story, choosing to ignore the other realities. "Liberals Don't Blame Groups"? Really?!?!
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    May 28, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
    Excellent, thanks for posting this.

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    May 28, 2011 3:49 PM GMT
    In one respect I'm glad you posted the link because it led me to the entire talk it was taken from and it really was quite informative and thought provoking...however it's too bad that it was such a short clip with an inflammatory title.

    So now it will erupt into the usual 6 people shouting back and forth about the liberal media, Fox News, Sarah Palin, cable news ratings, name calling...etc.

    It would be nice if those commenting on this topic actually heard the entire talk...here is the link
    http://fora.tv/2009/10/06/Noam_Chomsky_Philosophies_of_Language_and_Politics

    I know it's an hour long and he obviously has a point of view, but I think you'll find he is quite thoughtful and reasonable.

    Don't you guys ever get tired of having the same shouting match over and over again here on the RealJock Forums?
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    May 28, 2011 3:56 PM GMT
    aeoisDon't you guys ever get tired of having the same shouting match over and over again here on the RealJock Forums?


    Ain't that the truth. In fact, I'm going to start a thread on this and in no time, you'll see it taken over with slights and insults.
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    May 28, 2011 4:08 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI'm not saying that he didn't make his point eloquently, but it was still skewed towards painting the Rush Limbaugh's and Michael Savage's of the world as the enemy -- people who spout misinformation that people believe. I'm not saying that this isn't true to some degree, but it works both ways. The liberal media is just as guilty of stretching the truth to make their point as the right-wing media is, but I didn't really hear Chomsky point that out. He was coming from a point of view, merely expressing HIS opinion, not necessarily spouting brilliance.


    The difference is...Liberals don't blame groups.

    Republicans and Conservatives do.

    Nazis still do.

    When 9/11 struck...it was the Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson who had an answer..."Just like Sodom and Gomorrah, God will destroy us because of the homosexuals. 9/11 was a warning." In fact, religious broadcasters commonly use gays to stir up their listeners.

    But even the secular right wingers blame gays for societal problems. Michael Savage references Sodom and Gomorrah and the bible when talking about gays. Dr. Laura the 'psychologist' says that gays should not be allowed near children, as we can't control our sexual impulses. Limbaugh and Hannity have said the gays in the military will destroy moral..and endanger the safety of our country.




    "The difference is...Liberals don't blame groups. "

    so this is your joke for the day?
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    May 28, 2011 4:19 PM GMT
    aeois said

    Don't you guys ever get tired of having the same shouting match over and over again here on the RealJock Forums?


    YES!!!!
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    Again, you're using extreme examples to try and generalize an entire group. You are only telling part of the story, choosing to ignore the other realities. "Liberals Don't Blame Groups"? Really?!?!


    Yes, Liberals ridicule plenty of conservative groups. But these groups have some major differences with gays, immigrants, women, etc. Namely...

    -Membership is optional.
    -People join based on existing prejudices.
    -Group works to take away or deny civil rights to others.

    Now, if Liberal Talk Show Hosts started slandering white, Anglo Saxon males or some other group...then we'd be down on the same level as Conservative Talk Show Hosts.

    The most valid part of your concern is that liberals ridicule groups like Tea Party. In this case, you agree with Chomsky. He says that people who join the Tea Party, do so because they have real issues. But the problem is these people now get their answers from Beck, Limbaugh, etc...who have been shown to repeatedly distort the truth. I have the same concerns as many tea party people about too much money wasted, the bailouts, etc. They only difference is, I don't think Limbaugh and his kind are credible.

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    May 28, 2011 4:34 PM GMT
    White4DarkerFL saidHe says that people who join the Tea Party, do so because they have real issues. But the problem is these people now get their answers from Beck, Limbaugh, etc...who have been shown to repeatedly distort the truth.




    There's not much I can do or say to get you or others to grasp the reality that "TEA PARTY" people are comprised of Americans from all walks of life, all races, men, women, young, old, etc. Don't pretend to know where ALL of these people get their information or what drives them because you don't. No one really does, because it's such a broad spectrum. The one common bond that they do all have is that they are just plain sick of Government and the way it is run -- by Republicans as well as Democrats. To say that they all get their information from Beck, Limbaugh, and Hannity is simply trying to paint everyone in the TEA PARTY movement with the same broad brush. It's not really fair to do that with everyone in ANY political party.
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    May 28, 2011 4:47 PM GMT
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    miamimasseur saidWow. He nailed it. Unfortunately it will fall mostly on deaf ears.


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    Maybe you're the one with deaf ears, Creature. I'm not saying Chomsky didn't make his point, I'm saying that he only told half of the story.


    Okay. Let's play your game. Chomsky made exact references, such as "death panels' as a response to healthcare reform and compared it to how the Nazis used Jews and Bolshevics as an answer to their economic ills. What is it about the left that makes the same danger in US political rhetoric?????

    This wasn't about simple political spin. This was about dangerous rhetoric pointing at groups of people, like Muslims.
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    White4DarkerFL saidHe says that people who join the Tea Party, do so because they have real issues. But the problem is these people now get their answers from Beck, Limbaugh, etc...who have been shown to repeatedly distort the truth.




    There's not much I can do or say to get you or others to grasp the reality that "TEA PARTY" people are comprised of Americans from all walks of life, all races, men, women, young, old, etc. Don't pretend to know where ALL of these people get their information or what drives them because you don't. No one really does, because it's such a broad spectrum. The one common bond that they do all have is that they are just plain sick of Government and the way it is run -- by Republicans as well as Democrats. To say that they all get their information from Beck, Limbaugh, and Hannity is simply trying to paint everyone in the TEA PARTY movement with the same broad brush. It's not really fair to do that with everyone in ANY political party.


    Yes, Tea Party has valid concerns. My taxes are too high. The tax code is too complicated and biased against anybody without a personal lobbyist on capital hill. The bailouts should never have happened, etc.

    The problem comes with the solutions from the Tea Party. It's the same old failed Reagan/Bush policies...gut regulations for the Fortune 500, cut taxes for the Forbes400. And then in the deep, dark corners lie the social issues...attack a woman's right to choose, cut education, attack gays, roll back the clock on civil rights, etc.

    For these reasons, the Tea Party is not some "broad spectrum" but an ever narrowing group of extremists. In fact, I'm willing to bet you can't name one major political difference between Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc. and the Tea Party.