Once again fascist Russia shows its true colours

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    May 28, 2011 6:06 PM GMT
    for the 6th consecutive year the moscow pride was banned, and as protesters tried to make a happening it was (again) broken up by force by the police.

    I saw footage from swedish television today. The swedish reporter told that the gay protesters were attacked by right wing groups, and leading up to that, the police didn't do much to prevent it and was in fact conversing quite friendly with the right wingers before the fighting began.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/moscow-police-arrest-more-than-30-at-attempted-gay-rights-demonstrations/2011/05/28/AG2HOPDH_story.html?wprss=rss_world

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110528/wl_afp/russiarightsgaydemo_20110528151454
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    May 28, 2011 8:22 PM GMT
    2011 Russia = 1961 U.S.A.
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    May 28, 2011 8:36 PM GMT
    ...and people wonder why Gay Pride Parades are/were necessary.

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    May 28, 2011 8:40 PM GMT
    tronsexual said...and people wonder why Gay Pride Parades are/were necessary.


    Seriously, it's like gays raised in a nice family in a pro-gay neighborhood have NO CONCEPT of what goes on outside their utopia bubble.
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    May 28, 2011 8:49 PM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidThat is pretty sucks.... I hope they don't beat them in jail.


    Worse they may lock them up, then just forget all about them for 20 years; it happens.
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    May 28, 2011 8:51 PM GMT
    What a way to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the end of the USSR and the beginning of democracy...
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    May 28, 2011 8:51 PM GMT
    JB82 said
    tronsexual said...and people wonder why Gay Pride Parades are/were necessary.


    Seriously, it's like gays raised in a nice family in a pro-gay neighborhood have NO CONCEPT of what goes on outside their utopia bubble.


    Now JB remember you live in the USA by choice, as you can always go home to Israel, where you would have full equality. yet in my country newcomers get rights I have never had.
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    May 28, 2011 9:09 PM GMT
    I think I read somewhere that there's 76 countries where homosexuality is illegal still. out of those 7 have the death penalty.

    Russia is not even one of those countries, and still gays there face severe discrimination.
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    May 28, 2011 9:12 PM GMT
    I think very few former socialist countries in Central and Eastern Europe have made much progress on LGBT rights since the fall of the Iron Curtain. I suppose Czech Republic is the only country that's somewhat tolerant, no? Even then, it doesn't compare to what other Western European countries have to protect LGBT citizens.
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    May 28, 2011 9:18 PM GMT
    Nevertheless, the transition to "democracy" (did that ever really happen in Russia?) since 1991 has been anything but smooth. Russia has always been concerned about economic stability, standards of living, new-found greed, corruption, underground crime, illegal immigrants, and dealing with Soviet nostalgia before even bothering to address a number of civil rights (let alone anything to change the attitude towards gays). Plus you have to consider that the Russian Orthodox Church has seen a resurgence since Soviet times now that religion is no longer under the threat of persecution.
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    May 28, 2011 9:19 PM GMT
    Russia is still very backward and ultra conservative when it comes to gay rights and civil rights of other groups of people. Since the fall and breakup of the USSR, organized religion has made a major comeback and along with it came all the primitive minded beliefs especially homophobic beliefs. Russian gays and lesbians have a lot of hard work ahead of them.
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    May 28, 2011 9:25 PM GMT
    As always, Russia never changes.

    Too bad it's too large to nuke.
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    May 28, 2011 9:28 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie said
    JB82 said
    tronsexual said...and people wonder why Gay Pride Parades are/were necessary.


    Seriously, it's like gays raised in a nice family in a pro-gay neighborhood have NO CONCEPT of what goes on outside their utopia bubble.


    Now JB remember you live in the USA by choice, as you can always go home to Israel, where you would have full equality. yet in my country newcomers get rights I have never had.


    Why do you say things that make poor people want to piss on your face?
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    May 28, 2011 9:37 PM GMT
    For what it's worth, I thoroughly enjoyed my stay in Russia when I studied there for 6 months. Everyone there was a lot friendlier than I expected (though it helped a lot that I spoke Russian very well).Unfortunately I never came out to any of my Russian friends because I had long sensed they wouldn't understand it or accept it. It was much easier to be open with my Chinese, Korean, and Austrian friends instead. So I ended up having to repress any gayness while I was there. Anywho, I wasn't looking for anything at the time, so I felt that wasn't a huge loss.
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    May 28, 2011 9:40 PM GMT
    pocketnico saidFor what it's worth, I thoroughly enjoyed my stay in Russia when I studied there for 6 months. Everyone there was a lot friendlier than I expected (though it helped a lot that I spoke Russian very well).Unfortunately I never came out to any of my Russian friends because I had long sensed they wouldn't understand it or accept it. It was much easier to be open with my Chinese, Korean, and Austrian friends instead. So I ended up having to repress any gayness while I was there. Anywho, I wasn't looking for anything at the time, so I felt that wasn't a huge loss.


    Most Russians are butt-ugly anyway, that helps icon_wink.gif
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    May 28, 2011 9:46 PM GMT
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    pocketnico saidFor what it's worth, I thoroughly enjoyed my stay in Russia when I studied there for 6 months. Everyone there was a lot friendlier than I expected (though it helped a lot that I spoke Russian very well).Unfortunately I never came out to any of my Russian friends because I had long sensed they wouldn't understand it or accept it. It was much easier to be open with my Chinese, Korean, and Austrian friends instead. So I ended up having to repress any gayness while I was there. Anywho, I wasn't looking for anything at the time, so I felt that wasn't a huge loss.


    Most Russians are butt-ugly anyway, that helps icon_wink.gif


    I must confess that I saw very few attractive guys while I was there. For one thing, there are so many more women than men in Russia. Plus the girls there are unbelievably attractive. I feel sorry for them when they end up with a Russian guy because they're such dogs in comparison!

    Some guys there really need to lose the mullet hair and unibrows.
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    May 28, 2011 9:57 PM GMT
    judoguy saidI think I read somewhere that there's 76 countries where homosexuality is illegal still. out of those 7 have the death penalty.

    Russia is not even one of those countries, and still gays there face severe discrimination.


    I like to get a list of those countries just in case I travel,I don't go there!
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    May 28, 2011 9:59 PM GMT
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    judoguy saidI think I read somewhere that there's 76 countries where homosexuality is illegal still. out of those 7 have the death penalty.

    Russia is not even one of those countries, and still gays there face severe discrimination.


    I like to get a list of those countries just in case I travel,I don't go there!


    I imagine most of those are in Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia. Everywhere else in the world seems to be OK.
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    May 28, 2011 10:02 PM GMT
    pocketnico saidNevertheless, the transition to "democracy" (did that ever really happen in Russia?) since 1991 has been anything but smooth. Russia has always been concerned about economic stability, standards of living, new-found greed, corruption, underground crime, illegal immigrants, and dealing with Soviet nostalgia before even bothering to address a number of civil rights (let alone anything to change the attitude towards gays). Plus you have to consider that the Russian Orthodox Church has seen a resurgence since Soviet times now that religion is no longer under the threat of persecution.


    that's a good observation. I think democracy and civil rights in general have been neglected in the new Russia.

    there's not a real freedom of the press, critical journalists gets murdered with poison, which is of course all coincidence and bad luck.
    some political opponents very conveniently turns out to be involved in something criminal, and go to prison.
    and Putin has changed the law so he can become president again once his string puppet Medvedevs term ends.
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    May 28, 2011 10:05 PM GMT
    judoguy said
    pocketnico saidNevertheless, the transition to "democracy" (did that ever really happen in Russia?) since 1991 has been anything but smooth. Russia has always been concerned about economic stability, standards of living, new-found greed, corruption, underground crime, illegal immigrants, and dealing with Soviet nostalgia before even bothering to address a number of civil rights (let alone anything to change the attitude towards gays). Plus you have to consider that the Russian Orthodox Church has seen a resurgence since Soviet times now that religion is no longer under the threat of persecution.


    that's a good observation. I think democracy and civil rights in general have been neglected in the new Russia.

    there's not a real freedom of the press, critical journalists gets murdered with poison, which is of course all coincidence and bad luck.
    some political opponents very conveniently turns out to be involved in something criminal, and go to prison.
    and Putin has changed the law so he can become president again once his string puppet Medvedevs term ends.


    And yet, Gorbachyov and Yeltsin continue to receive the blame for all of Russia's problems that persist today. Putin remains a "hero" to many Russians.
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    May 28, 2011 10:08 PM GMT
    Tazo995 said
    pocketnico saidFor what it's worth, I thoroughly enjoyed my stay in Russia when I studied there for 6 months. Everyone there was a lot friendlier than I expected (though it helped a lot that I spoke Russian very well).Unfortunately I never came out to any of my Russian friends because I had long sensed they wouldn't understand it or accept it. It was much easier to be open with my Chinese, Korean, and Austrian friends instead. So I ended up having to repress any gayness while I was there. Anywho, I wasn't looking for anything at the time, so I felt that wasn't a huge loss.


    Most Russians are butt-ugly anyway, that helps icon_wink.gif


    Ouch!
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    May 28, 2011 10:11 PM GMT
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    Tazo995 said
    pocketnico saidFor what it's worth, I thoroughly enjoyed my stay in Russia when I studied there for 6 months. Everyone there was a lot friendlier than I expected (though it helped a lot that I spoke Russian very well).Unfortunately I never came out to any of my Russian friends because I had long sensed they wouldn't understand it or accept it. It was much easier to be open with my Chinese, Korean, and Austrian friends instead. So I ended up having to repress any gayness while I was there. Anywho, I wasn't looking for anything at the time, so I felt that wasn't a huge loss.


    Most Russians are butt-ugly anyway, that helps icon_wink.gif


    Ouch!


    Ой, я не хотел обидеть!
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    May 28, 2011 10:12 PM GMT
    Actually a lot of young affluent Russians think more progressively. All my friends, guys included, took it very well when I came out to them.
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    May 28, 2011 10:14 PM GMT
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    judoguy saidI think I read somewhere that there's 76 countries where homosexuality is illegal still. out of those 7 have the death penalty.

    Russia is not even one of those countries, and still gays there face severe discrimination.


    I like to get a list of those countries just in case I travel,I don't go there!


    I found this one.... it's from last year, note there are quite a few tropical holiday destinations among these countries

    http://www.pridesource.com/article.html?article=41711

    "Compared to last year's report, where we listed the 77 countries prosecuting people on ground of their sexual orientation, this year you will find 'only' 76 in the same list, including the infamous five which put people to death for their sexual orientation: Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Yemen (plus some parts of Nigeria and Somalia)," wrote ILGA Co-Secretary General Gloria Careaga-Perez. "One country less compared to the 2009 list may seem little progress, until one realizes that it hosts one-sixth of the human population, as the country in question is India."

    ILGA said the 76 nations criminalize "consensual sexual acts between persons of the same sex in private over the age of consent."

    They are: Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belize, Bhutan, Botswana, Brunei, Burundi, Cameroon, Comoros, Dominica, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Ghana, Grenada, Guinea, Guyana, Iran, Jamaica, Kenya, Kiribati, Kuwait, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Mauritius, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nauru, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Qatar, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Samoa, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Somalia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Swaziland, Syria, Tanzania, Togo, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Yemen, Zambia and Zimbabwe. In addition, gay sex is illegal in the Cook Islands (a self-governing democracy in free association with New Zealand), the Gaza Strip in Palestine, and Northern Cyprus, which is recognized only by Turkey.
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    May 28, 2011 10:14 PM GMT
    RovyBoy saidActually a lot of young affluent Russians think more progressively. All my friends, guys included, took it very well when I came out to them.


    I think that's the case because they can afford to travel abroad. I mean, they don't even have to go back to Russia if they don't want, heh.

    I sure wish I had had that feeling while I was there. I think more than anything I was afraid that they simply wouldn't understand it more than believe something was "wrong" about it. At the time I didn't feel like having to explain myself.