Suntanning vs wrinkles vs melanin injections...

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    May 29, 2011 5:37 AM GMT
    Is their any way to achieve a tanned look without:

    - gettin skin cancer

    - inviting a party of wrinkles and crease and leathery looks to my face

    - getting spray tans that will leave residue all over my whites

    - not costing me a second mortgage?

    Also read a little bit about melatonin injections. Anyone know about this, or had it done?

    Just curious, as I am nearly ready to resign myself to my remaining life of being lily-white to delay the arrival of the wrinkle monster...
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    May 29, 2011 7:28 AM GMT
    I'm only attracted to pale guys. I'm pale myself. Educated people don't buy into the 'tanned look' as sexy. I think it sort of lacks class personally, if I see someone who deliberately went out to tan for beauty's sake.

    Snobby answer, but that's my take.

    You can do spray on though can't you if you really think it's glamorous?
    Anderson Cooper did it.
  • josephmovie

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    May 29, 2011 11:41 AM GMT
    From someone who is old enough to see the sun can do, it's not wrinkles that are the problem. It's all the blotches and uneven pigmentation that make people look older. And then there's the sagging.

    Want a tan? Get it out of a bottle.
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    May 29, 2011 12:04 PM GMT
    I don't do tanning... I have to admit it can look quite sexy and your face looks more fresh and rested with tan, but when I was young my grandma taught me that only people from the working class have tan icon_lol.gif haha
    just kidding, I see no reason to hurt my skin just to be darker.

    But still - a couple of times I had solarium tanning and I was pleased with the results. I also found out about this other service "colarium" or something which is basically the same but with pink light and it is supposed to be healthier. But it is twice the price. I tried it and it seemed to me like the result was the same as with solarium...

    I hate spray tan. I hate having it, I hate how it looks and I hate how fast it fades away....
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    May 29, 2011 12:07 PM GMT
    Moderation.

    I don't actually make a point to tan, but i don't shy away from the sun either. I use sunscreen when at the beach, go shirtless for yardwork, sleeveless when running and i come out every summer with a nice tan. Just from doing normal things in the sun.

    Tanning salons, orange coloured self tanner and such just make you look terrible.
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    May 29, 2011 12:26 PM GMT
    kaoi saidModeration.

    I don't actually make a point to tan, but i don't shy away from the sun either. I use sunscreen when at the beach, go shirtless for yardwork, sleeveless when running and i come out every summer with a nice tan. Just from doing normal things in the sun.

    Tanning salons, orange coloured self tanner and such just make you look terrible.


    Completely agree. Some guys go too far for tan. Just be outdoors, use sunscream and expose yourself to sun in the morning hours or late afternoon hours. Don't do noon to 3pm tanning without sunblock, THAT will get you trouble.
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    May 29, 2011 12:29 PM GMT
    The ultimate solution you refer to is called Melanotan.

    Develops a nice, healthy colour "naturally".

    You inject it into your fat, like diabetics do with insulin.

    It was invented and is being developed for cancer prevention.

    The main side effect is seriously hard and random erections, which is why they developed a non-tanning alternative for erectile dysfunction / libido.

    All fact.
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    May 29, 2011 12:41 PM GMT
    The "wrinkle monster" isn't so bad if you use moisturizer everyday. Work on your inner beauty and the outside will take care of itself.
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    May 29, 2011 12:53 PM GMT
    I don't think the FDA has approved the melanin injections in the US yet, but they may have. There's something so obscure about that idea. We all have a particular amount of melanin when we are born; we don't lose it.
    -interestingly I'm reading some research about melanin and temporary hearing threshold shifts. Darker skinned people seem to recover faster than lighter skinned. . . Hmmm. The idea is the shift occurs from a shift in the electro-mechanical ion channel state. If there is a correlation between melanin and this ion channel function, I can't say that altering it would be beneficial. Just a thought.

    Regardless, I believe there are bulbs out there that only give off UVB light (so they say). UVB doesn't do as much damage beneath the skin as UVA.

    However, I personally don't leave my house without sunscreen and not that chemical shit that won't work all day.
  • brskee76

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    May 29, 2011 1:13 PM GMT
    Living in the skin cancer capital of the world (Queensland, Australia) I've been taught that there is no safe tan. I used to try and get some sort of tan, either through the sun or faking it but I eventually got sick of it. I'm white, so that's how I am. I have friends who are Indian or Black who say how white I am and I reply "Well or course I'm white!" I'd rather be white as white than look like a wrinkly, old, leather handbag! ;-)
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    May 29, 2011 1:24 PM GMT
    No such thing as a safe tan unless it is spray on or comes from a bottle. But I find a fake tan too much maintenance to keep all the time.

    I gave up tanning beds and booths and laying out in the sun over 10 years ago but see the effects of the excess exposure from my teens and 20s showing up. Personally, I think a tan looks great but I'm not willing to generate further damage to get it. Use sunscreen daily and don't go out of my way to avoid the sun but I also don't intentionally suntan - well, maybe I'll be out by the pool sipping a cocktail during vacation, but that's the exception and I use SPF 50 minimum if I'm doing that. For the most part, I've just tried to get used to looking a lot paler than many of my counterparts here in Florida.
  • HndsmKansan

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    May 29, 2011 1:28 PM GMT
    I would preface the discussion by knowing what skin type you are and what you need to maintain healthy skin.

    I'm lucky, I can use sunscreen and wear my swimming suit and not worry much about overexposure (except in the early spring when I'm first out). That doesn't mean I stay out all day or forget about my skin and what I should or should not be doing. If you are such that you can't be outdoors for any extended time, I'd suggest a talk with your doctor.. forget the fake spray tans.
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    May 29, 2011 1:39 PM GMT
    The key is to tan very very gradually and moisturize along the way. I am 60, have always had a tan and people say I look 45. Plus what is you guy's obession against a little wrinkle or two? . It is a trade off. Augghh the gay world! icon_neutral.gif
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    May 29, 2011 1:42 PM GMT
    I find being born with a nice tan seems to be the easiest option. No risk of wrinkles or sun cancer that way.



    EDIT: Real response, yes, there are ways that you can relatively safely achieve a tanned look. Why do you feel you need to be tanned anyhow?
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    May 29, 2011 1:46 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidJust curious, as I am nearly ready to resign myself to my remaining life of being lily-white to delay the arrival of the wrinkle monster...

    I'm lily-white myself, in Florida, no swimsuit tan line, except for a "farmer's tan" on my forearms and neck from always wearing T-shirts, almost as much on my face despite usually wearing a hat outdoors. I have no desire for a tan.

    Now our neighbor does, lays outside by the pool all day long. Dark as a nut though Anglo, he's younger than me, but has classic sun-damaged skin, not only heavy surface wrinkles but the skin slack & puckery, actually disturbing to see. He looks 10 years older than me, a 70-year-old appearance on a 50-something guy.

    You're right to avoid tanning with real or artificial sunlight. I know of no easy, inexpensive & convincing alternates. Better to accept your natural self, and preserve your appearance for the future.

    Incidentally, below is me earlier this month, relaxing nude in the shade on the deck of a gay guest house in Key West. Note the dark forearms but white body. I'm not bothered by being pale, even in Florida, only wish I could avoid the tan I do have, makes me 2-tone, but I go so often enough it's difficult down here.

    KeyWestsundeck2.jpg
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    May 29, 2011 8:28 PM GMT
    I have no shame in seeking some sun for the 3 months of the year I can have it. I stay away during the burning hours, but otherwise it's one of the biggest pleasures in life to me and I wouldn't do without it!

    Brit_Bloke saidThe ultimate solution you refer to is called Melanotan.

    Develops a nice, healthy colour "naturally".

    You inject it into your fat, like diabetics do with insulin.

    It was invented and is being developed for cancer prevention.

    The main side effect is seriously hard and random erections, which is why they developed a non-tanning alternative for erectile dysfunction / libido.

    All fact.

    Melanotan is first generation technology at least 10 years old. The drug that's in line to come onto the market soon is called Scenesse. An Australian company has been working on it for ages, but it's finally nearing the end of clinical trials. It should be legit. I wouldn't take Melanotan.
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    May 29, 2011 8:30 PM GMT
    bluey2223 saidI'm only attracted to pale guys.


    Whyyyy don't more guys assimilate with this perspective?!

    Thank you. : )
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    May 29, 2011 8:32 PM GMT
    bluey2223 saidI'm only attracted to pale guys. I'm pale myself. Educated people don't buy into the 'tanned look' as sexy. I think it sort of lacks class personally, if I see someone who deliberately went out to tan for beauty's sake.

    Snobby answer, but that's my take.

    You can do spray on though can't you if you really think it's glamorous?
    Anderson Cooper did it.




    A lot of guys on your hotlist are not pale.
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    May 29, 2011 8:38 PM GMT
    In many countries, people strive to be pale. An asian friend of mine (forget which country she's from) says they actually have methods of BLEACHING their skin to stay as pale as they can. Being blonde hair/blue eyes... wish our country were like that icon_smile.gif i'm pale as a sheet.
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    May 29, 2011 8:47 PM GMT
    dekiruman said
    bluey2223 saidI'm only attracted to pale guys. I'm pale myself. Educated people don't buy into the 'tanned look' as sexy. I think it sort of lacks class personally, if I see someone who deliberately went out to tan for beauty's sake.

    Snobby answer, but that's my take.

    You can do spray on though can't you if you really think it's glamorous?
    Anderson Cooper did it.




    A lot of guys on your hotlist are not pale.


    People can be hot for other reasons. It's not an all-encompassing criteria, it's a plus.
  • neosyllogy

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    May 29, 2011 8:57 PM GMT
    I gotta say, things like a tan: they're communicative.
    You should get a tan if you like being in the sun. Some people love it, it's a part of their personality to run outdoors or bask at the beach (my bf, for example; I'm a bit of the opposite icon_smile.gif).

    If you're not into the sun, then why sport a tan? It makes me think of people who get pec implants to make it look like they lift weights. You're communicating that you're someone you're not and ultimately that you're at least a little bit ashamed of who you actually are. (Or at least thoughtlessly and overly concerned with other people's tastes.)

    If it's healthy, rock what you got. A fake style will attract some people... in the longer term, generally fake ones...
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    May 29, 2011 9:00 PM GMT
    If you don't get enough sun you get a vitamin D deficiency.

    If you get too much sun you get skin cancer.

    Perhaps the secret is to enjoy life, have fun and don't give a fuck about silly distractions like tanning :-)
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    May 29, 2011 9:03 PM GMT
    kandsk saidI have no shame in seeking some sun for the 3 months of the year I can have it. I stay away during the burning hours, but otherwise it's one of the biggest pleasures in life to me and I wouldn't do without it!

    Brit_Bloke saidThe ultimate solution you refer to is called Melanotan.

    Develops a nice, healthy colour "naturally".

    You inject it into your fat, like diabetics do with insulin.

    It was invented and is being developed for cancer prevention.

    The main side effect is seriously hard and random erections, which is why they developed a non-tanning alternative for erectile dysfunction / libido.

    All fact.

    Melanotan is first generation technology at least 10 years old. The drug that's in line to come onto the market soon is called Scenesse. An Australian company has been working on it for ages, but it's finally nearing the end of clinical trials. It should be legit. I wouldn't take Melanotan.


    "Scenesse"? Phonetically equivalent to "senesce", to age and die? That's gotta be one of the worst consumer drug names ever... icon_mad.gif
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    May 29, 2011 9:13 PM GMT
    Animus saidI find being born with a nice tan seems to be the easiest option. No risk of wrinkles or sun cancer that way.



    EDIT: Real response, yes, there are ways that you can relatively safely achieve a tanned look. Why do you feel you need to be tanned anyhow?


    I agree I love being born with a healthy lovely complexion... I don't understand why white people need to tan...don't you burn in the sun anyway???
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    May 29, 2011 9:15 PM GMT
    theantijock said
    neosyllogy said"Scenesse"? Phonetically equivalent to "senesce", to age and die? That's gotta be one of the worst consumer drug names ever... icon_mad.gif


    senescence. good catch though.


    senescence is a noun, senesce is a verb of similar meaning