Where do we go when we die?

  • twilight2010

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    May 31, 2011 6:57 AM GMT
    According to the Biblical scriptures we remain in our graves and sleep and await the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ shout to wake us up and our bodies will be changed.

    28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

    Daniel 12:2 (King James Version)
    2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

    Job 14:12 (King James Version)
    12So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep


    What do you believe?
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    May 31, 2011 7:10 AM GMT
    I just see no point in talking about this because no one has a clue. It's just a bunch of people speculating about something they all equally are ignorant about.

    About as interesting as a bunch of people gathering around a box and guessing what's inside, and then throwing the box out at the end.
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    May 31, 2011 1:36 PM GMT



    lol, and the cremated people?
    If you're going to take that book so literally, then how about the drowned people sleeping in water and not the dust of the earth? O.o
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    May 31, 2011 1:51 PM GMT
    Where do we go when we die?

    Nowhere, because that's the end of the road. There is no afterlife, neither Heaven nor Hell, nothing.

    The only consolation is that we're no longer around to worry about it. Our minds want to take us past the moment of death, and try to imagine it from the day-after perspective. But there's only 1 side to it, and we're on that side now.

    Author Gore Vidal describes this very well in his novel Messiah. I also sorta experienced it a few times during my worst head injuries. Because of retrograde amnesia I don't remember the accidents themselves, just being conscious one moment, and going into blackness the next.

    A blackness in which there were no dreams, no thoughts, no sense of even the blackness. I could have never recovered, and that would have been the end forever, but then I would never have known it. Instead I did recover, and so learned what my death will be like. Except, of course, I'll never know it when it's really happened.
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    Jun 01, 2011 3:20 AM GMT
    @Art

    Pardon my French ... but that's just fuckin depressing.

    One of the reasons I just cannot embrace atheism.

    There just has to be something bigger than mere existence.
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    Jun 01, 2011 4:22 AM GMT
    alphatrigger said@Art

    Pardon my French ... but that's just fuckin depressing.

    One of the reasons I just cannot embrace atheism.

    There just has to be something bigger than mere existence.



    ..and I think there is. But not in the tiny box of the bible.

    Here, for you:

    "Janice felt her whole self give a great throb of terror and then, amazingly, a nostalgic sense of recognition, then a strange happiness that was plainly senseless. A sensation of recognition bloomed into realization as she knew, without doubt, that God existed, and more, was in her and around her, like the atoms she was made of but even finer than that. Invisible, gossamer, yet as easy to see as her own hand, the Maker was present. Frank shone with it. He had been in a blank rationalization of the way things were in the world when he started truly listening to the words of his thoughts and felt dismay. Frank, who had truly come so far away from his old self. Hermet-ish and habitual, he had gone on a date and his life had changed. It was trite and pedestrian, but also a brilliant colour that her mind’s Eyes picked up immediately. She could taste this colour too, and did, relishing the tones of herself in it. How would she, could she ever explain this?
    The Maker was huge in her. Kindness, warmness, elation, all warred in her for dominance. At the same time, they dovetailed each other in what she perceived as a sentence. Wordless yet descriptive, Janice received her first Directive through her Frank.
    Otilija dropped her tea towel and looked round-eyed at the couple standing at the table. Directives she had seen, oh yes, even being the recipient of one, which was a tale in itself. But this she hadn’t known could happen. She saw a great alteration in the couple before her. They gleamed in a way that made one aware of their individual eyelashes. She thought of planets, tied to each other and each existing through the anchor, gravitational, of the other. Something, their sense of self and sense of the Maker and a strange humility borne by the innocence she’d seen so often in children became evident, and likely to any that saw them interact or just stand there, being together. But these were no children. They carried a bleak understanding of the world There with them." ('There' is our world)

    -from A Ribbon Of Beauty

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    Jun 01, 2011 7:43 AM GMT
    I've no clue but I've enjoyed speculating this question... (don't quote me) we "escape" time so to speak and we meet up with everyone for the Judgment when all things will be made right/fair... everyone who has ever lived and died, all at once. It's as if no time had passed. As if no one waited for anyone. Kinda trippy if you think about it too long. icon_eek.gif
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    Jun 02, 2011 12:48 AM GMT
    Donovan, you are not understanding the physical and the spiritual. The physical body dies and the matter in it goes into the composition of something else physical. The spirit is eternal. This forum is about "spirituality."
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    Jun 02, 2011 4:06 AM GMT
    I don't belive there is a Hell per se, nor a Devil as humans are capable of every kind of evil without the help of some supernatural evil.

    But if there is an afterlife, there are just diffrent degrees of Heaven, and not all homosexual will go to the same place because it comes down to how we lived our everyday life, and not how many times we went to church.
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    Jun 02, 2011 4:23 AM GMT
    True_blue said, "I don't belive there is a Hell per se, nor a Devil as humans are capable of every kind of evil without the help of some supernatural evil."

    I'm with you on this.

    then, "But if there is an afterlife, there are just diffrent degrees of Heaven, and not all homosexual will go to the same place because it comes down to how we lived our everyday life, and not how many times we went to church.

    ...that guy christ did say after all,

    King James Bible
    In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

    ...the point is allegorical, inclusive. icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 02, 2011 4:35 AM GMT
    I thought the Lion King was perfectly clear on this issue.

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    Jun 02, 2011 4:39 AM GMT
    KardioKing saidI thought the Lion King was perfectly clear on this issue.




    ROFL!!

    zzzzzing!

  • alphatop

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    Jun 03, 2011 12:10 AM GMT
    We go to grave when we die...where else?icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 03, 2011 1:35 AM GMT
    antonomad saidWe go to grave when we die...where else?icon_rolleyes.gif


    Not I. There will not be any gave for one, as I am being cremated, then my remains will be spreed, no jar for me either; not a funeral service of any kind whatsoever
  • twilight2010

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    Jun 04, 2011 8:52 AM GMT
    When a person dies their thoughts just stop, thye just sleep, so whether you in the grave alseep or in the sea or cremated one thing is certain we cannot know anything what happens. It is for this reason that I believe Ghosts do not exist.
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    Jul 01, 2011 4:41 AM GMT
    I'm inclined to say our energy is reincarnated.

    There have been a couple times in my life having met someone and the eye contact, aura was eerily familiar. The connection and familiarity so intense, I swear I've met the person before. We had an immediate, unspoken understanding of each other.

    I came home one evening and this horridly familiar smell overtook me in the doorway. I couldn't place the where I had smelled the odor before. A few days later it happened again and still struggled to place the smell. The third time it happened, I placed the smell immediately to my dear friend that died two months ago today. She was a terrible housekeeper and her house always had a stagnant odor.

    Interestingly, she was comatose while I had these experiences and spoke aloud to her and her smell did return to my kitchen one more time.

    After she died, the smell never returned but it was comforting to know that our spirit can leave our bodies. There sure as hell would never be anything in my house that would contribute to that stench, it was a smell exclusive to Vicki's house.

    I have another similar story as do others that really can't be denied.

    Alternatively, a relative of mine, (a nun), believes that once you die that's it game over thanks for playing. Six feet under, nothing more.icon_eek.gif
  • DerangedMind

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    Jul 01, 2011 5:15 AM GMT
    our "afterlife", in my opinion, is actually the consequences of our every decisions. we live through the actions of everything we influenced. while yeah, we're not conscious beings anymore, our presence is felt in others' lives, who in turn influence others' lives, etc etc etc. everything is a chain of actions, cause and effect, and in my opinion it's everyone's moral duty to make sure the effects that ensue from your actions are as positive as you can make them be.

    that's also what i believe divinity consists of (i refuse to name it as God, since that brings to mind a being, which is totally not what i believe in. God is Verb, not Noun and all that mumbo-jumbo.). I guess you could say that i'm basically applying philosophical ideas to science, but hey, it makes me feel good.

    or something
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    Jul 01, 2011 7:06 AM GMT
    I actually do think there are such things as heaven, hell, nirvana, spirits, and reincarnation.... you could go to any of those places... or you could get stuck around here roaming around and haunting the living because of unfinished business... or you could decide to stay behind as a guide to your loved ones....

    the final goal is to ascend into complete reunification with the divine, at which point you are totally at peace (hence: rest in peace), this can take many steps of spiritual evolution...

    Do I KNOW if its true? no not at all.... but do I think you cease to exist? yes of course, we cease to be what we were before, just as what we were before we were born was not existing either... but dont think that the material world is necessary all there is....

    Anyways, thats what I think, I dont know anything in the end
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    Jul 01, 2011 7:08 AM GMT
    26mileman saidI'm inclined to say our energy is reincarnated.I came home one evening and this horridly familiar smell overtook me in the doorway. I couldn't place the where I had smelled the odor before. A few days later it happened again and still struggled to place the smell. The third time it happened, I placed the smell immediately to my dear friend that died two months ago today. She was a terrible housekeeper and her house always had a stagnant odor.

    I have another similar story as do others that really can't be denied.

    Alternatively, a relative of mine, (a nun), believes that once you die that's it game over thanks for playing. Six feet under, nothing more.icon_eek.gif


    nice examples.. the one I hear from medical students.. is that at the moment of death of a patient... the room literally goes cold... as if some source of heat was just sucked out of it... interesting nuh?
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    Jul 01, 2011 7:09 AM GMT
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    KardioKing saidI thought the Lion King was perfectly clear on this issue.




    ROFL!!

    zzzzzing!



    Its the cirrrrrrrrrcle of liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiife!!!
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    Jul 01, 2011 7:12 AM GMT
    vincent7 saidDonovan, you are not understanding the physical and the spiritual. The physical body dies and the matter in it goes into the composition of something else physical. The spirit is eternal. This forum is about "spirituality."


    yeah, the only way to say that when we die theres nothing after, is to deny that spirit exists... its a valid thing to say, but it seems so illogical to me....

    If there was no spirit in the body, how come the body is even alive?

    If life is only chemical processes in the material world, then why isnt EVERYTHING in the material world conscious and sentient like the living world? There chemical processes everywhere?

    And if consciousness is only neurons, then why are plants and bacteria also considered "alive"?

    I mean, if you have no concept of spirit, it seems to me, then what is life at all?
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    Jul 01, 2011 7:14 AM GMT
    alphatrigger said@Art

    Pardon my French ... but that's just fuckin depressing.

    One of the reasons I just cannot embrace atheism.

    There just has to be something bigger than mere existence.



    Sigh, I talk too much....

    It is indeed depressing to think there is nothing..

    on the whole, i think people with a sense of something bigger than themselves and this one life, tend to lead happier lives feeling more fulfilled and at peace,

    at least, most of the data Ive seen seems to support it in terms of health, longevity, and subjective feelings of happiness
  • twilight2010

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    Jul 02, 2011 7:46 AM GMT
    Greenhopper said
    vincent7 saidDonovan, you are not understanding the physical and the spiritual. The physical body dies and the matter in it goes into the composition of something else physical. The spirit is eternal. This forum is about "spirituality."


    yeah, the only way to say that when we die theres nothing after, is to deny that spirit exists... its a valid thing to say, but it seems so illogical to me....

    If there was no spirit in the body, how come the body is even alive?

    If life is only chemical processes in the material world, then why isnt EVERYTHING in the material world conscious and sentient like the living world? There chemical processes everywhere?

    And if consciousness is only neurons, then why are plants and bacteria also considered "alive"?

    I mean, if you have no concept of spirit, it seems to me, then what is life at all?


    What is a soul exactly according to scripture?

    Genesis 2:7 (King James Version)
    7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    Genesis 2:7 (New King James Version)
    7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

    Job 27:3-4
    King James Version (KJV)

    3All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

    4My lips shall not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit.

    What is the spirit of God? It is the breath of the Almighty.

    The word soul means a living person. God made man out the dust. So we can conclude from this verse that the following is true.

    The Dust + the Breath of Life are what give life to a person. When God takes the breath away we DIE.

    Also note that God did not give man a soul but Man BECAME a soul.Ecclesiastes 12:7
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    7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it

    body will become dust and the spirit go back to God who gave it. What spirit goes back to God.

    Job 34:14-15
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    14If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit and his breath;

    15All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.

    Notice it is HIS spirit not our spirit. The possesive pronoun used is HIS.

    If when we die our spirits go to God then what about evil people? They wont go to God. The spirit that goes to God is not our spirit but the breath of God that gives life to us. That is why it says HIS and not mine.

    I do not believe the the immortal soul doctrine because it cannot be proven by Gods word, in fact God says in His word the soul that sins will die.

    Rom 6:23: "The gift of God is eternal life though Jesus Christ our Lord."
    1Co 15:52-54. "The dead shall be raised... this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal shall put on immortality."

    Only God is immortal, man is mortal we die. But there will come a time when the resurrection happens when Christians will be changed in bodily form and given new bodes, as paul says we are clothed in immotality.

    What was the first lie the devil ever told?

    Eat the fruit touch it God knows you will be like Him, you will not die...When she ate it she died. Death entered as sin was born on earth. Sin actually started inheaven with satan rebelling against God, it did not start in Eden.

    Job 14:12 (King James Version)
    12So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep

    2 Peter 3:10 (King James Version)
    10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    According to scriptures when we die we sleep in ground awwaiting the glorious return of Jesus Christ to shout in the air and raise us up. O how I wait for this day when Jesus returns.

    but of this day when Jesus returns to raise the dead and give the christian new bodies it is the end day, when this happens the world is destroyed by fire, our God is a consuming God, Jesus comes back with His angels surounded by fire.

    he will return in flaming fire taking vengeance on all who do not know God and will not obey him. Jesus will be the Judge and the New Testament will be the law we will be judged by. All who reject will be counted as his enemies at death or upon his return.

    Now please these are not my words they are Gods. I am not threatning anyone here, i presenting the Biblical points made on the grave and what happens when we die according to the Bible.

    There are many other religions out there and they have the right to exist and when Jesus comes He alone will judge the people.

    If anyone is interested you may private message me and we can discuss how the people will be judged, as some of you i see prefer to email me rather than post in fear of been labeled.

    We are not judges we must not point the fingers and I will not do that either less I be judged.

    On this glorious Sabbath day I pray God blesses everyone who reads this
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    Jul 10, 2011 1:36 AM GMT
    I no longer have a belief in "the soul." Basically we'll be broken down into primal elements and dispersed throughout the universe.
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    Jul 10, 2011 2:01 AM GMT
    "I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it." -Mark Twain

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