vincent7 saidDonovan, you are not understanding the physical and the spiritual. The physical body dies and the matter in it goes into the composition of something else physical. The spirit is eternal. This forum is about "spirituality."
yeah, the only way to say that when we die theres nothing after, is to deny that spirit exists... its a valid thing to say, but it seems so illogical to me....
If there was no spirit in the body, how come the body is even alive?
If life is only chemical processes in the material world, then why isnt EVERYTHING in the material world conscious and sentient like the living world? There chemical processes everywhere?
And if consciousness is only neurons, then why are plants and bacteria also considered "alive"?
I mean, if you have no concept of spirit, it seems to me, then what is life at all?
What is a soul exactly according to scripture?
Genesis 2:7 (King James Version)
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul
Genesis 2:7 (New King James Version)
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life
; and man became a living being.
King James Version (KJV)
3All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils
4My lips shall not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit.
What is the spirit of God? It is the breath of the Almighty.
The word soul means a living person. God made man out the dust. So we can conclude from this verse that the following is true.
The Dust + the Breath of Life are what give life to a person. When God takes the breath away we DIE.Also note that God did not give man a soul but Man BECAME a soul.
King James Version (KJV)
7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it
body will become dust and the spirit go back to God who gave it. What spirit goes back to God.
King James Version (KJV)
14If he set his heart upon man, if he gather unto himself his spirit
and his breath;
15All flesh shall perish together, and man shall turn again unto dust.
Notice it is HIS spirit not our spirit. The possesive pronoun used is HIS.
If when we die our spirits go to God then what about evil people? They wont go to God. The spirit that goes to God is not our spirit but the breath of God that gives life to us. That is why it says HIS and not mine.
I do not believe the the immortal soul doctrine because it cannot be proven by Gods word, in fact God says in His word the soul that sins will die.
Rom 6:23: "The gift of God is eternal life though Jesus Christ our Lord."
1Co 15:52-54. "The dead shall be raised... this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal shall put on immortality."
Only God is immortal, man is mortal we die. But there will come a time when the resurrection happens when Christians will be changed in bodily form and given new bodes, as paul says we are clothed in immotality.
What was the first lie the devil ever told?
Eat the fruit touch it God knows you will be like Him, you will not die...When she ate it she died. Death entered as sin was born on earth. Sin actually started inheaven with satan rebelling against God, it did not start in Eden.
Job 14:12 (King James Version)
12So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep
2 Peter 3:10 (King James Version)
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
According to scriptures when we die we sleep in ground awwaiting the glorious return of Jesus Christ to shout in the air and raise us up. O how I wait for this day when Jesus returns.
but of this day when Jesus returns to raise the dead and give the christian new bodies it is the end day, when this happens the world is destroyed by fire, our God is a consuming God, Jesus comes back with His angels surounded by fire.
he will return in flaming fire taking vengeance on all who do not know God and will not obey him. Jesus will be the Judge and the New Testament will be the law we will be judged by. All who reject will be counted as his enemies at death or upon his return.
Now please these are not my words they are Gods. I am not threatning anyone here, i presenting the Biblical points made on the grave and what happens when we die according to the Bible.
There are many other religions out there and they have the right to exist and when Jesus comes He alone will judge the people.
If anyone is interested you may private message me and we can discuss how the people will be judged, as some of you i see prefer to email me rather than post in fear of been labeled.
We are not judges we must not point the fingers and I will not do that either less I be judged.
On this glorious Sabbath day I pray God blesses everyone who reads this