Boycotting Orbitz

  • squash4dave

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    Jun 01, 2011 4:16 AM GMT

    The Courage Campaign has been trying to get Orbitz to stop advertising on FOX, because of all the gay bashing that take place on that station. They make a lot of money off of the gay community, and claim to be gay friendly, but the response of the CEO has been anything but. I am going to try to upload an ad from the Courage Campaign, but I am not sure how to do this. So, if I am unable to, I would appreciate some help in doing so.
    http://www.couragecampaign.org/page/s/Or...[u]

    I hope that this will link with the site, so that you can view the video.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 01, 2011 4:23 AM GMT
    Please post some examples of "gay bashing" on FOX and explain why I need to switch online travel sites just because ORBITZ advertises on FOX? Where do you suggest they advertise -- MSNBC with a fraction of the viewership? This isn't about GAYS, it's about a company advertising where the viewers are. It's a business. Why does it have to be all about the gays?
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    Jun 01, 2011 4:25 AM GMT
    wait are we boycotting the gum or the travel agency
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    Jun 01, 2011 4:28 AM GMT
    Ariodante saidwait are we boycotting the gum or the travel agency




    LOL that's exactly what I thought!! Well.. The gum anyway
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 01, 2011 4:34 AM GMT
    Kind of like we were suppose to boycott shopping at TARGET? Sheeeesh! I Love TARGET!!!!! icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 01, 2011 11:48 AM GMT
    jprichva said
    CuriousJockAZ saidPlease post some examples of "gay bashing" on FOX and explain why I need to switch online travel sites just because ORBITZ advertises on FOX? Where do you suggest they advertise -- MSNBC with a fraction of the viewership? This isn't about GAYS, it's about a company advertising where the viewers are. It's a business. Why does it have to be all about the gays?

    I know, Todd. I mean, what's the point of a single person standing up for a principle? It's not like Gigantor, Inc. gives a shit if one little homo refuses to buy its products. In fact, they probably like the publicity. So let's all drink Rockstar and shop at Target and gobble Chik-Fil-A, because protesting is so grubby and granola-y, right?

    I'm totally with you.


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    Jun 01, 2011 3:57 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    I know, Todd. I mean, what's the point of a single person standing up for a principle? It's not like Gigantor, Inc. gives a shit if one little homo refuses to buy its products. In fact, they probably like the publicity. So let's all drink Rockstar and shop at Target and gobble Chik-Fil-A, because protesting is so grubby and granola-y, right?

    I'm totally with you.


    I've heard it said that if today's youth were the protest movement in the 60's, we'd still be in Vietnam.
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    Jun 01, 2011 4:05 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidPlease post some examples of "gay bashing" on FOX


    Oh, cmon. Do we really have to pretend not to know what we know? Anyway, just watch the video at the Courage Campaign's website:



    That said . . .

    CuriousJockAZ said and explain why I need to switch online travel sites just because ORBITZ advertises on FOX? Where do you suggest they advertise -- MSNBC with a fraction of the viewership? This isn't about GAYS, it's about a company advertising where the viewers are. It's a business. Why does it have to be all about the gays?


    I agree with most of this. You won't catch me dead in a Chick-fil-A, but this one is really tenuous. If Orbitz were specifically choosing to advertise on an antigay program - that would be one thing. But a gay-friendly company advertising generally on a basic cable network in addition to all of the other advertising it's doing? This is a waste of resources.


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    Jun 01, 2011 4:35 PM GMT
    So featuring people who give anti-gay points of view is now rendering Fox into a gay bashing news source?

    Pleeaaase. That's like saying that because they have featured shirley phelps roper that they hate the military too!
  • WestMI_Man

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    Jun 01, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
    It's interesting to me that because Fox News has guests on that have varied opinions that may sometimes be anti gay the entire network gets painted anti gay.

    The clips in the video are all guests except with the Bill O'Reilly clip which is a few years old and as usual he is trying to get people to think.

    Boycotting Orbitz that has had and continues to support gay travel seems like a waste of time for everyone just because they advertise on Fox.

    If you don't like Fox don't watch and you won't see the Orbitz ads either.
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    Jun 01, 2011 4:40 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidSo featuring people who give anti-gay points of view is now rendering Fox into a gay bashing news source?

    Pleeaaase. That's like saying that because they have featured shirley phelps roper that they hate the military too!

    I think some of these kinds of activities are only exploiting gay issues to attack a network for general political issues. This type of exploitation dilutes the effectiveness of activities that really do target anti-gay organizations. Like shooting yourself in the foot.
  • ohioguy12

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    Jun 01, 2011 4:42 PM GMT
    I'm confused. Is there more to the story that I'm unaware of? Am I suppose to start watching FOX News and boycott every company that advertise? What makes Orbitz special?
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    Jun 01, 2011 4:47 PM GMT
    From the Orbitz spokesman:

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/orbitz-snubs-media-matters-drop-fox-campaign-we-arent-going-to-engage-in-that-fight/
    “We have a strict policy of tolerance and non-discrimination, and that means we don’t favor one political side over another. Tolerance is a two-way street,” he said. “We’re going to advertise on conservative TV stations, liberal TV stations and — if there are any out there — unbiased news broadcasts.


    This attempt to boycott Orbitz appears to be a craven attempt by Media Matters at silencing free speech. It's shameful and silly.
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    Jun 01, 2011 4:47 PM GMT
    I suggest reading the article in this link about it. There is a great reply from Orbitz at the bottom.

    http://unicornbooty.com/2011/05/update-orbitz-responds-to-our-email-about-the-dropfox-campaign/


    ...Fox also had this ad: It Gets Better

    http://www.shewired.com/box-office/google-chrome-debuts-it-gets-better-ad-fox-during-glee


    Really this is a storm in a teacup.
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    Jun 01, 2011 4:49 PM GMT
    So should google be boycotted for putting an ad on Fox?
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    Jun 01, 2011 4:50 PM GMT
    Well, the TV commercials from Orbitz have heavily targeted the gay community, with things like guys playing golf who are wearing an Equality-embroidered polo shirt. But that's not surprising, since gays are a very lucrative part of the travel market, especially since the Bush Recession. In fact, the home page for Orbitz has an LGBT link, that takes you to this:

    http://www.orbitz.com/App/PerformMDLPDealsContent?deal_id=gay-travel&cnt=OVI&type=em_qs

    I therefore THOUGHT Orbitz was gay-friendly, but maybe they're just exploiting us for our disposable incomes and tendency to take more vacations than straights, purely a cynical business decision. FOX News is certainly anti-gay in its commentary, but is also a good market for them. Since I don't watch FOX News (except for YouTube clips of their more offensive & outrageous moments), I don't know what kind of commercials Orbitz runs there, or on the rest of FOX, if they're the gay-friendly ones.

    I think the jury is still out on this one.
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    Jun 01, 2011 4:52 PM GMT

    Here, for you Art. icon_wink.gif


    http://www.shewired.com/box-office/google-chrome-debuts-it-gets-better-ad-fox-during-glee


    "Google Chrome's ad for the “It Gets Better” campaign aired during last night’s episode of Glee on Fox.

    The campaign, started by LGBT activist Dan Savage in 2010, is a YouTube channel of videos from anyone wanting to send a positive message to bullied or struggling LGBT teens. Submissions to the project include videos from political figures like President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, celebrities like Neil Patrick Harris and Lady Gaga, and everyday people.

    The 91-second commercial is a compilation of some of the most inspirational and helpful video clips from submissions to the YouTube channel. In addition to a wide variety of people of different ages and backgrounds, recognizable faces from the Chrome commercial include Adam Lambert, Lady Gaga, Kathy Griffin, Anne Hathaway and Woody from Toy Story."
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 01, 2011 5:36 PM GMT
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    CuriousJockAZ saidPlease post some examples of "gay bashing" on FOX


    Oh, cmon. Do we really have to pretend not to know what we know? Anyway, just watch the video at the Courage Campaign's website:







    Of course you can cite examples, but let's not pretend that such things aren't seen on every single channel. For anyone to insinuate that FOX NEWS is the only network that airs such things is being disingenuous.
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    Jun 01, 2011 5:46 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    showme said
    CuriousJockAZ saidPlease post some examples of "gay bashing" on FOX

    Oh, cmon. Do we really have to pretend not to know what we know? Anyway, just watch the video at the Courage Campaign's website:


    Of course you can cite examples, but let's not pretend that such things aren't seen on every single channel. For anyone to insinuate that FOX NEWS is the only network that airs such things is being disingenuous.

    Interesting switcheroo you make. First you ask for examples. Then when showme showed you, you promptly changed your tune to "Of course you can cite examples..." Slipperier than an eel, I think the saying goes.

    Now it's your turn. Where are YOUR examples of the other networks routinely airing such homophobic lies as FOX News does as you claimed, similar to that montage that showme provided here? A stray instance won't cut it, you need to demonstrate the same relentless drumbeat of anti-gay sentiment that FOX News represents, in order to make your claim stick.
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    Jun 01, 2011 5:50 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    showme said
    CuriousJockAZ saidPlease post some examples of "gay bashing" on FOX


    Oh, cmon. Do we really have to pretend not to know what we know? Anyway, just watch the video at the Courage Campaign's website:







    Of course you can cite examples, but let's not pretend that such things aren't seen on every single channel. For anyone to insinuate that FOX NEWS is the only network that airs such things is being disingenuous.


    You know perfectly well the slant that FOX takes and the key demographic that it courts as part of IT’S “business” model.

    There is nothing wrong with your beliefs and standpoints, however unpopular they may be on a site such as this. With that in mind, just own them. Trying to justify or, even worse, disguise them as something other than what they are negates any substance you may have to your socio/political stance(s).
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    Jun 01, 2011 5:59 PM GMT
    The guys are right about this Curiousjock.

    That said, Fox airs Glee.

    Look at this:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/28/glee-ratings-fox-hit-now_n_556076.html


    "With its power hitters, “Glee” and “American Idol,” at the plate Tuesday night, Fox won the adult 18-49 race for a third consecutive evening, with the former freshman series becoming the top-rated scripted series of the season in the process."

    It seems a lot of people watching Glee may be prospective Orbitz clients.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 01, 2011 6:22 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Interesting switcheroo you make. First you ask for examples. Then when showme showed you, you promptly changed your tune to "Of course you can cite examples..." Slipperier than an eel, I think the saying goes.


    It wasn't that I doubted you or anyone else could cite examples -- of course FOX NEWS airs pundits or interviews that voice anti-gay opinions, they also air pundits and interviews of pro-gays. I was more curious about what example someone might cite. My point was that you're being disingenuous to say that you only see these type pundits or interviews on FOX -- I've even seen them on MSNBC and everywhere else. Doesn't mean the pundit or interviewee was speaking for any of the networks they aired on. I also don't "routinely" watch any one channel -- I sort of surf around to many from major networks to cable networks and others. I guess if you want to argue that FOX NEWS is the gay-hating, gay-bashing evil network of the world, go right ahead. Most of us who do any kind of channel surfing know better.
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    Jun 01, 2011 6:27 PM GMT
    Cash said
    There is nothing wrong with your beliefs and standpoints, however unpopular they may be on a site such as this. With that in mind, just own them. Trying to justify or, even worse, disguise them as something other than what they are negates any substance you may have to your socio/political stance(s).



    Ohh, I own my beliefs and standpoints on a daily basis on this site. I don't disguise anything, but rather I just call things as I see them. People are free to disagree all they want. Just because I'm not always willing to buy what some of the posters here are selling doesn't mean anything other than a difference of opinion.
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    Jun 01, 2011 6:38 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Cash said
    There is nothing wrong with your beliefs and standpoints, however unpopular they may be on a site such as this. With that in mind, just own them. Trying to justify or, even worse, disguise them as something other than what they are negates any substance you may have to your socio/political stance(s).



    Ohh, I own my beliefs and standpoints on a daily basis on this site. I don't disguise anything, but rather I just call things as I see them. People are free to disagree all they want. Just because I'm not always willing to buy what some of the posters here are selling doesn't mean anything other than a difference of opinion.


    Great!

    Then don’t feign ignorance at the well-established and in no-way-shape-or-form hidden editorial direction at FOX.

    You weren't curious about other's citations.
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    Jun 01, 2011 6:40 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said My point was that you're being disingenuous to say that you only see these type pundits or interviews on FOX -- I've even seen them on MSNBC and everywhere else. . . .I guess if you want to argue that FOX NEWS is the gay-hating, gay-bashing evil network of the world, go right ahead. Most of us who do any kind of channel surfing know better.


    Hey, you've got at least me and meninlove basically agreeing with you, that this is all a tempest in a teacup. That's something.

    I will, however, continue to disagree with you here. Yes, all news channels include the stupid antigay talking heads for some sort of fake "balance." But even if we can't agree that the "hard" news on Fox betrays its conservative bias, Fox itself admits that its opinion commentators are almost all very conservative. Those opinion shows, like O'Reilly, are its mainstay, and they spout a lot of antigay garbage, and give an expanded platform to the antigay bigots. To me, that makes Fox a gay-bashing network.