I'm just going to stop going out until I get this fixed...

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    Jun 02, 2011 10:26 PM GMT
    There's something about me that I have been feeling uncomfortable about now for years. Sometimes It doesn't bother me, other times it's all I can think about. And at this point, it's all I can think about and honestly my self confidence has plummeted.

    Basically what happened is I broke 1 of my front teeth awhile ago. So far I've done root canal on it and had it squared it off. That was like $400. And these fucking dental insurance don't cover pre-existing conditions.

    And I went to a dentist down the street from my house and I also went to a dental school here. I tell you, there are no breaks! I've gone to like 5 or 6 dentist about this issue. The one I went to recently said, "well, to fix your tooth you would need a crown on that one ($700) and then another crown on the one that's perfectly fine so they can match, another $700. And then you're going to need a deep cleaning ($400). So $1,800 all together. Like WTF? I came here for 1 tooth restoration and which should only be $640 and the bill is $1,800? And you are discouraging me from getting it fixed UNLESS I do the whole procedure? Just focus on the damn tooth! It'll look better than it does now even if we take it in steps...

    Then, I went to a dental school for braces cause I want my teeth perfect. $3,400 dollars! Sure that is a discount, but hell that's a new car! I just moved into a new condo so I want to continue to furnish it.

    I know for a fact I will be getting it fixed though if not this month, next month. I'm still searching around for different opinions as I can't see why they would want to put a crown on a tooth that's perfectly fine.

    It's just this dental stuff is outrageous. And the school that wanted to do the braces says, "well it's better to get braces 1st so the crown will match". I'm thinking to myself, "so I'm supposed to wait 2 years to wear those and then get a crown? How long do they want me to fucking keep looking like this icon_mad.gif

    Next month I plan to just drop between $700 and $1,400 to get it right.

    I've taken care of my teeth pretty well. Never had any cavities, floss, battery toothbrush...But that's apparently not enough. Even with cars, you can get it cheaper. For example, my car was in an accident last year. Everyone was quoting me $2,000. I found a guy here who did it for $640.

    But dental? Makes you just wanna move to Mexico. Or Scandinavia. Or Canada. Anywhere but here icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 02, 2011 11:27 PM GMT
    Why be so bothered about how you "think" you look? It's what others think that make or break a sexual deal.

    Personally, I'd be happy as a pig in slop just groping yer muscles. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 02, 2011 11:36 PM GMT
    LOL, thanks for making me feel better. I don't know, its just something I've always worried about. But I'm definitely not going to put it off anymore.

    I think once I get it fixed, I won't be single anymore...

    I just think everyone deserves to have good teeth just like everyone deserves to live if they are on the verge of dying. I mean, we wouldn't just let someone die on the street, why not fix our teeth icon_confused.gif And I'm not talking about just dire stuff because some programs do. But then cosmetic stuff they don't touch.

    It's like an optional thing that only people with loads of disposable income can do. Mine is actually rather minor in the scheme of things though. Some people have 10's of thousands of dollars of work to be done...They don't get it here though, they go to Mexico LOL

    I was reading about someone who had $30,000 worth of dental work to be done, went to Mexico and I think it was like 1/4 of that.
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    Jun 02, 2011 11:52 PM GMT
    When you get a crown it needs to be attached to something to be stable so they grind down at least one of the good teeth either side of it into "stumps". This happened to me when I lost my left dog tooth I had to lose good teeth on either side,Heck he even wanted to grind down a 3rd tooth, my front left one but I said no. Honestly I think dentistry has become somewhat of a money racket. Getting you to spend spend spend on numerous questionable cleanings etc..Sure there are some people that may require it but I don't think as much as they are saying. My mom seems to be at the dentist every 3 months getting a cleaning (she has a great dental plan) and I'm begininng to think that's one of the reasons.
    As for you get the crown if you can but forgo the "deep cleaning".. sounds iffy.

    Before you get a crown if you decide to go for it.. Get your teeth whitened or whiten them yourself to the point you're happy with their whiteness because when they go to match the crown color, they match it to the adjacent teeth and the crowns color is permanent, can't be whitened.. therefore if you whiten your teeth after having the crown put in it won't match your newly whitened real teeth...

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    Jun 03, 2011 1:04 AM GMT
    beneful1 said
    Before you get a crown if you decide to go for it.. Get your teeth whitened or whiten them yourself to the point you're happy with their whiteness because when they go to match the crown color, they match it to the adjacent teeth and the crowns color is permanent, can't be whitened.. therefore if you whiten your teeth after having the crown put in it won't match your newly whitened real teeth...



    Oh yeah, I keep forgetting about that! Anyone used some of the $34.99 or $44.99 Whitening formulas at Wal-Mart LOL? They say it Whitens like $500 dental treatments.

    I definitely don't want to have 1 yellow tooth. I've also considered getting 2 gold crowns now that I found out it's cheaper than porcelain/ceramic LOL. Haven't actually gotten a quote yet but will on my next appointment.

    As with the deep cleaning, I'm sure it's necessary as I've never gotten 1 of those before ($100 per quadrant) but they were pushing me to get it. I'm like, okay I know it won't be perfect but I need to take care of the cosmetic stuff 1st. 1 thing at a time. It's like, nope can't get crown til braces. Nope, can't get crown til the deep cleaning...

    The dentist I had the other work done was PUSHING to get the crown immediately after my root canal. Saying my tooth may fall out and have to get an implant. Fortunately the Asian lady did a good job and it's holding up strong.

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    Jun 03, 2011 1:10 AM GMT
    I use the original (and cheapest) Crest Whitestrips and they work great for me. I tried the more expensive Crest Premium whitestrips and didn't notice any difference except that they stay in place a little easier. Actually had comments by people on how white my teeth looked even though they aren't dazzling white by any means. Was just thinking the other day it's time to redo them.. it's been almost a year.
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    Jun 03, 2011 3:30 AM GMT
    A detachable bridge runs about $450, and leaves the teeth on both sides alone. In your case, it may not be the answer, but, for folks who have a tooth completely out, it's the best answer unless you want to spend thousands on an implant.

    A cosmetic dentist might be able to figure something out that preserves the teeth on either of the broken tooth without a full blown crown. It doesn't make lots of sense to mess up two good teeth, if you don't have to, and most decent dentists will advise against it, and recommend a removable solution that allows you to preserve your own teeth, and maintain better hygiene.

    Well done crowns have a decent lifetime, but, can be expensive, especially if you do a root canal, too. Bridges are generally a bad idea, unless you do a removable solution, or an implant. Implants are over the top expensive.

    I know some dentists who can make 30K A DAY.

    Spend as much, or as little as you like. If you've had a root canal and the tooth is dead, sounds like the crown is the way to go, and get it done with.

    I crowned a number of my teeth, without root canals, for durability, and haven't regretted it.

    Be careful of some dentists. Like mechanics, some are out right CROOKS. I had one dentist tell me I needed 6500 in perio work, while my cosmetic dentist (a client) and my regular dentist (a long time friend since his dental school days) told me I didn't even need my teeth cleaned. Some dentists are FRAUD, through, and through, so, ALWAYS get a second opinion.

    One of our clients is a dental practice management company, FYI.

    Perio work / hygiene is a huge fraud area for dentists / a big money maker.

    Many dentists prefer doing ortho to reduce wear and tear / improve smile, but, ortho is pricey, too.

    Being less than perfect is often just fine.

    The single best investment you can make on your teeth is a SoniCare toothbrush. They're highly effective, and last forever. I've had mine 11 years.

    A WaterPik won't hurt, either, but, be careful not to use it at to high of a setting.

    Anything with peroxide will whiten your teeth to a degree, but, if you overdo it, be prepared for sensitive teeth for a while.
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    Jun 03, 2011 3:44 AM GMT
    I don't know what kind of dental insurance plan you have that won't pay for "pre-existing conditions."

    Most of what are called dental insurance plans are really discount plans. I pay $10 or $12 monthly and nearly all fees are reduced by half or more.

    Dentists make huge amounts of money. They were the highest income producers in the country for many years (not sure about now).

    I would also get another opinion about the "deep cleaning." Chucky is right that periodontal work is often a huge scam.
  • allezallez

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    Jun 03, 2011 3:48 AM GMT
    Have you thought about getting enamels? That'd fix the problem pretty easily.

    Or, I am a guy of the opinion that anyone can pull off anything, so long as you do it confidently. Who cares if you have a chipped tooth? So long as you wear it well, guys will notice your confidence and not your self-consciousness.
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    Jun 03, 2011 3:52 AM GMT
    One thing you might want to consider to help cover the cost is getting it done on credit to break up the payments over a long period of time. There are some companies out there that provide the service for medical or dental costs and sometimes without interest if you pay it of in a certain amount of time. Do a search. Care Credit is probably the largest one but there are others out there.
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    Jun 03, 2011 4:07 AM GMT
    Not any cheaper in Canada. Just had my teeth cleaned on Monday, took no more than 45 minutes.

    Like you, never had any cavities, great gums and healthy teeth and follow the dentist's instructions between visits religiously. Damn, I was hoping to get a break in price for all my good work.icon_lol.gif
  • Sparkycat

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    Jun 03, 2011 4:44 AM GMT
    Get the fuck over it. If you can't afford it, you don't get it. Welcome to reality. Save for it until you can get what you want. If it's really important to you, get a second job to pay for it.

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    Jun 03, 2011 7:22 AM GMT
    allezallez saidHave you thought about getting enamels? That'd fix the problem pretty easily.

    Or, I am a guy of the opinion that anyone can pull off anything, so long as you do it confidently. Who cares if you have a chipped tooth? So long as you wear it well, guys will notice your confidence and not your self-consciousness.


    What's enamels? Never had any dentist recommend that to me. It's all been crown, crown, crown. Luckily the price has gone from $900, to $700, to $640. Variable by dentist. Actually, I think the $900 was from root canal and crown.

    Yeah, well I've pulled it off and been confident about it for years but I cannot let it continue to detract from me. When I first seen myself when the tooth was broken all I could do was look in the mirror and cry. I mean, it's just not natural. For some un-Godly reason, teeth are the 1st and foremost thing people notice about you. Yet most people can't afford to get them straight icon_evil.gif Why did God not give us the option to grow back teeth! Everything else heals and grows back LOL.

    Iceblink saidOne thing you might want to consider to help cover the cost is getting it done on credit to break up the payments over a long period of time.


    The dental school for braces offers free automatic financing with no interest. It'd be like $142 a month, for 2 years! That's a car lease...and I don't even have a car payment. That's be the highest bill besides rent. And that's after $400 down payment, and another $400 down payment for something else. It's certainly something I will be going after at some point, but I want to get the crowns first which is why I'm putting it off.

    I don't want to do any payments. I know I can get the $1,200 all at once, it's just a matter of not paying any bills when it's time to have the work done. Care credit has too high of interest I've read and are bad to work with.

    ObsceneWish saidI don't know what kind of dental insurance plan you have that won't pay for "pre-existing conditions."


    I'm referring to insurance from jobs. I can't remember exactly how it went down, but my dad had some insurance for the whole family thru his job thru Cigna. Well, when I went to go see about getting a crown...for some reason it was denied. I think it was because it had already happened prior to getting the insurance.

    Sparkycat saidGet the fuck over it. If you can't afford it, you don't get it. Welcome to reality. Save for it until you can get what you want. If it's really important to you, get a second job to pay for it.


    Why are you being such a prick? I'm not going to get the fuck over it and this is not reality. It's a temporary state of mind and I REFUSE to live like this any longer.

    At this point it's just a matter of finding someone who will be willing to do it for no more than $1,400 which I think is reasonable. The money is already manifesting itself as I type. So that's not an issue at this point.

    I've thought about getting 2nd job in the past but it'd interfere with school. And the time I really had the money to get it fixed, I chose buying a car instead. Great teeth doesn't mean much if you don't have anything left over.

    It's amazing, one can go to the gym for $30 a month and transform their entire body into a god, but a 2 year gym membership doesn't even cover fixing 1 tooth. Is that not amazing or what? Anyone else thinking of pulling the plug and just getting dentures????
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    Jun 03, 2011 8:39 AM GMT
    They will match the crown color to the teeth next to it. It'll match so close you'll be the only one to notice anything.
    I have 3 crowns and they never ground any other teeth. I think it's bs they have to crown other teeth.
    I think you have to do the whitening of the others before you get the crown on the chipped one.
    If I got false teeth they would be implants. I've noticed a couple news reporters on TV with a new denture and they sound like shit salesman with a mouth full of samples. It sounds like the rest of your teeth are in great shape. KEEP THEM as long as you can. icon_smile.gif Try this link, it describes the implant procedure pretty well. This ones from Chicago but it's done everywhere.

    http://www.eonclinics.com/about-dental-implants
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    Jun 03, 2011 1:15 PM GMT
    Whatever you do, don't let anyone talk you into doing a regular bridge, where they ruin the teeth on either side. My wife had two of them, and they were forever cracking on one side. She finally had them replaced with implants, which are great.
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    Jun 03, 2011 1:34 PM GMT
    Dental work is not included in Canada's healthcare, and the costs are just as high, if not higher.
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    Jun 05, 2011 12:24 AM GMT
    paradox saidWhatever you do, don't let anyone talk you into doing a regular bridge, where they ruin the teeth on either side. My wife had two of them, and they were forever cracking on one side. She finally had them replaced with implants, which are great.


    Bridges are a horrible idea. Most any decent dentist will recommend against them these days.
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    Jun 05, 2011 12:54 AM GMT
    At least you don't have a dentist that won't fess up to causing an abscess tooth. Odd that the pin prick from my last filling is where the problem area is (thankfully I've had it nearly a year and have had zero nerve issues)... and he claims that _I_ must have done something.

    That aside, if you are single just because of a simple tooth issue, you're looking at the wrong crowd. If people are that shallow, well... they need to be booted off a cliff.
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    Jun 05, 2011 11:24 AM GMT
    Hey I don't normally plug insurance companies, but if this is work you need to get done and your existing insurance won't cover it, you'll be better off with a discount dental program. I had a similar situation and even needed endodontics to fix it (though I suspect I was just being gouged) and it came out to less than $1000.

    They have flat rate agreements for crowns, and give a 20% discount on specialists (like endontists).

    http://www.caringtondental.com/


    And yes, the cosmetic medical industry is a fantastic rip off but we will always want to be perfect icon_razz.gif
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    Jun 07, 2011 10:34 PM GMT
    adam228 saidHey I don't normally plug insurance companies, but if this is work you need to get done and your existing insurance won't cover it, you'll be better off with a discount dental program. I had a similar situation and even needed endodontics to fix it (though I suspect I was just being gouged) and it came out to less than $1000.

    They have flat rate agreements for crowns, and give a 20% discount on specialists (like endontists).

    http://www.caringtondental.com/


    And yes, the cosmetic medical industry is a fantastic rip off but we will always want to be perfect icon_razz.gif


    Hmmm...I used to work (for a very short time, like 2 weeks) for a company like this in Texas. It was a telemarketing place and I think it was a ripoff. Some kind of 'health benefit' company and when it came time to get the work done, no places would accept it. Can't remember exactly how it went but it was a rip-off.

    kuroshiro said
    That aside, if you are single just because of a simple tooth issue, you're looking at the wrong crowd. If people are that shallow, well... they need to be booted off a cliff.


    I agree, but unfortunately people really feel that way. A chipped tooth is like a cracked windshield icon_cry.gificon_sad.gif
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    Jun 13, 2011 8:15 AM GMT
    Hey...someone replied and deleted their message and I never got to read it icon_eek.gif

    I can't wait til this month is over. I have a dentist appt. tomorrow with another place to see what they tell me.

    I just seen an infomercial and website about snap on smile...I know it seems kinda 'fake' to have fake teeth but it seems like a really good idea.

    I mean, my teeth really aren't that fucked up but a smile that perfect most people don't have...

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    Jun 13, 2011 10:08 PM GMT
    I just read some reviews on snap on smile and I just wanted to cry LOL. People have mentioned having horse-like teeth and everyone can tell it's fake. So that options is out. I think that's for people who have like no front teeth once so ever.

    I am really trying to get on with the dental school here as well but they are so friggin hard to get a hold of. I have called them several times now and I can't even get anyone on the phone. I've also left a message.

    I was able to get to the orthodontic part but the restoration part seems to be impossible to reach. I don't want to have to keep waiting around for this, time is running out. My sanity is on the line!

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    Jun 13, 2011 10:31 PM GMT
    sounds outtathis-world but perhaps consider having a vacation out of US and have a cheap dental in your destination (use your global networking skills)

    i know there are great dentists outside US and would get you only a fraction of the cost, even considering the airfare

    you get your teeth fixed and a vacation in one

    just an idea (but i would have to say, this sounds like a thriller movie plot)
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    Jun 13, 2011 10:41 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Fit4FitnDenver said[/cite]

    I think once I get it fixed, I won't be single anymore...


    This ia where your problem may be. A tooth is not going to keep you from being single or help you get a partner.

    You might want to spend some of it on some psychotherapy, to try and figure out why you think you have to be perfect. Maybe your health insurance plan covers some sessions. Just a thought.

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    Jun 14, 2011 3:14 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidJust tried to make an appointment with an orthodontic school here in Chicago and it is impossible to make an appointment here also. I do not even get the option of leaving a phone message.


    I decided I'm not going to go. I don't think the discounts are all that great. For example, I called around today (which I didn't think was possible) for crown costs. I got $1,100 quote, $950 quote, and then the $640 quote from the place behind my house.

    Dental school discounts it by 10-15%. Which is probably from the highest cost of a crown which is generally $900. So I found a better bargain regardless.

    blue_ahli said
    i know there are great dentists outside US and would get you only a fraction of the cost, even considering the airfare

    you get your teeth fixed and a vacation in one

    just an idea (but i would have to say, this sounds like a thriller movie plot)


    LOL, well actually a really sweet guy on here referred me to a clinic in Costa Rica. He went thru the whole rundown on everything as well. So it's certainly an option.

    Koaa2 said
    This ia where your problem may be. A tooth is not going to keep you from being single or help you get a partner.

    You might want to spend some of it on some psychotherapy, to try and figure out why you think you have to be perfect. Maybe your health insurance plan covers some sessions. Just a thought.



    Getting my tooth fixed is psychotherapy all in itself. I can go thru all the psycho sessions in the world that's not going to fix my tooth though. I bet even the psychotherapist will recommend getting my tooth fixed.

    Yes I have had a few boyfriends even with my tooth the way it is anyway. Like Fabolous said,

    I don’t wanna trip, but the truth is
    Girl the way you cook a steak
    Remind me of the strips to Ruth Chris
    you love my smile, no matter how chipped my tooth is
    With you it ain't because my whips is ruthless