IBD: "Dems Refuse To Deal With Their Fiscal Mess"

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    Jun 03, 2011 5:41 PM GMT
    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/574136/201106021903/Doing-Nothing-Isnt-An-Option.htm

    It's been over two years since the Democrat-led Senate last passed a budget, a fact that puts it squarely in violation of the law. So when will the arrests begin?

    We say that only partly tongue in cheek, because the refusal of Democrats in Congress to pass a budget or take meaningful steps to head off our looming fiscal disaster is nothing short of a national disgrace.

    This hasn't happened since the budget rules were changed in 1974. Though required by law to pass a budget, Democrats have just said no. Yet the media have largely given them a pass on this willful lawlessness. Why?

    In the recent budget talks, Democrats have whined about Republicans not agreeing to raise taxes as part of a budget deal. But the Republicans have put up plans, serious plans, to cut spending, debt and deficits. What have the Democrats produced? Nothing.

    President Obama issued a do-nothing, status-quo plan in February that even members of his own party took as a joke. It was voted down last week 97-0 in the Senate.

    Next, the president asked for a "clean vote" — without any pesky spending cuts added — on raising the nation's debt limit by $2.4 trillion. He got one Tuesday, and lost by a convincing 318-97 margin in the House.
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    Jun 03, 2011 5:55 PM GMT
    When are "business leaders" going to understand that the government exists to serve all the people, not just those who own corporations?
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    Christian73 saidWhen are "business leaders" going to understand that the government exists to serve all the people, not just those who own corporations?


    And yet they do. When will the Democrats understand that they should actually put out a budget?
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    Christian73 saidWhen are "business leaders" going to understand that the government exists to serve all the people, not just those who own corporations?


    And yet they do. When will the Democrats understand that they should actually put out a budget?


    No. They don't. If they did, they wouldn't constantly try to buy politicians and lobby for laws and tax codes that eliminate the middle class.
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    Christian73 said
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    Christian73 saidWhen are "business leaders" going to understand that the government exists to serve all the people, not just those who own corporations?


    And yet they do. When will the Democrats understand that they should actually put out a budget?


    No. They don't. If they did, they wouldn't constantly try to buy politicians and lobby for laws and tax codes that eliminate the middle class.


    Yep and that's an excellent reason for why the Democrats have not put out a budget?

    And parenthetically they do. Of course if unions didn't spend as much as they do trying to convince politicians to pay for more of their own workers and regulations (like rabbit police and interior decorators, really?) to create additional demand for their workers, maybe others might not need to spend money to balance off these demands. Further, it's not like all business leaders spend lobbying dollars that they would rather not anyway - unless you're talking about the crony capitalists like GE who lobby for tax breaks and favoritism.
  • GQjock

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    Jun 03, 2011 6:48 PM GMT
    THEIR. Fiscal Mess. ..... Oh Rid you Slay Me

    We've had 30 years of republican shoveling the money to corporate interest economics
    And you call this THEIR Mess
    The lad administration took us from a surplus to the largest deficit this country had EVER seen and nearly brought the world economy to a screeching HALT in 2008
    And you call it THEIR mess

    Now Rid ..... I know you MUST have had SOME kind of edumacaion from where ever you come from

    .... But GEEEEEZ .... Dude

    You say things like that and you're bound to get laughed at. icon_wink.gif
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    GQjock saidTHEIR. Fiscal Mess. ..... Oh Rid you Slay Me

    We've had 30 years of republican shoveling the money to corporate interest economics
    And you call this THEIR Mess
    The lad administration took us from a surplus to the largest deficit this country had EVER seen and nearly brought the world economy to a screeching HALT in 2008
    And you call it THEIR mess

    Now Rid ..... I know you MUST have had SOME kind of edumacaion from where ever you come from

    .... But GEEEEEZ .... Dude

    You say things like that and you're bound to get laughed at. icon_wink.gif


    Blah blah blah. So do you deny that they haven't put forward a budget in the last two years as required by law? What's that quote about power and responsibility?
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    GQjock saidTHEIR. Fiscal Mess. ..... Oh Rid you Slay Me

    We've had 30 years of republican shoveling the money to corporate interest economics
    And you call this THEIR Mess
    The lad administration took us from a surplus to the largest deficit this country had EVER seen and nearly brought the world economy to a screeching HALT in 2008
    And you call it THEIR mess

    Now Rid ..... I know you MUST have had SOME kind of edumacaion from where ever you come from

    .... But GEEEEEZ .... Dude

    You say things like that and you're bound to get laughed at. icon_wink.gif


    Blah blah blah. So do you deny that they haven't put forward a budget in the last two years as required by law? What's that quote about power and responsibility?


    The administration has released proposed budgets for each of the last two years, both of which have been obstructed by Republican "hostage taking." So, this entire meme that their haven't been budget proposals is ridiculous.

    Especially, given how the Bush administration ran two wars solely on emergency supplemental (like the wars wouldn't be happening in the next budget year), which made a mockery of the entire process but also managed to conceal for a while how they were driving the country off an economic cliff by cutting taxes while ratcheting up spending.
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    Jun 03, 2011 7:02 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    GQjock saidTHEIR. Fiscal Mess. ..... Oh Rid you Slay Me

    We've had 30 years of republican shoveling the money to corporate interest economics
    And you call this THEIR Mess
    The lad administration took us from a surplus to the largest deficit this country had EVER seen and nearly brought the world economy to a screeching HALT in 2008
    And you call it THEIR mess

    Now Rid ..... I know you MUST have had SOME kind of edumacaion from where ever you come from

    .... But GEEEEEZ .... Dude

    You say things like that and you're bound to get laughed at. icon_wink.gif


    Blah blah blah. So do you deny that they haven't put forward a budget in the last two years as required by law? What's that quote about power and responsibility?


    The administration has released proposed budgets for each of the last two years, both of which have been obstructed by Republican "hostage taking." So, this entire meme that their haven't been budget proposals is ridiculous.

    Especially, given how the Bush administration ran two wars solely on emergency supplemental (like the wars wouldn't be happening in the next budget year), which made a mockery of the entire process but also managed to conceal for a while how they were driving the country off an economic cliff by cutting taxes while ratcheting up spending.


    So for clarification you are saying that the Senate did put forward a budget? Oh sorry, they didn't. In the meantime, the current Administration ratcheted up spending while tax cuts were one of the ways the previous administration prevented an economic freefall /reduced impact of the last recession. Good luck trying to convince anyone that the budget deficits did not rise dramatically under Obama.
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    Jun 03, 2011 7:02 PM GMT
    "Dems" refuse to deal with "THEIR fiscal mess"!
    LOL!
    OUR fiscal mess (the lingering after effects of the 2007-2009 BUSH recession) was created by the Repubs.
    The mess is NOT the Dem's mess.

    Also - FYI - The House is controlled by the Repub party.
    The Dems aren't in complete control of Congress anymore.
    BOTH parties have a responsibilty to fix OUR mess.
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    Jun 03, 2011 7:18 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said"Dems" refuse to deal with "THEIR fiscal mess"!
    LOL!
    OUR fiscal mess (the lingering after effects of the 2007-2009 BUSH recession) was created by the Repubs.
    The mess is NOT the Dem's mess.

    Also - FYI - The House is controlled by the Repub party.
    The Dems aren't in complete control of Congress anymore.
    BOTH parties have a responsibilty to fix OUR mess.


    Sorry, what year did Obama take office? And how many of those years did Democrats have majorities in the House or Senate?
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    rickrick91 said"Dems" refuse to deal with "THEIR fiscal mess"!
    LOL!
    OUR fiscal mess (the lingering after effects of the 2007-2009 BUSH recession) was created by the Repubs.
    The mess is NOT the Dem's mess.

    Also - FYI - The House is controlled by the Repub party.
    The Dems aren't in complete control of Congress anymore.
    BOTH parties have a responsibilty to fix OUR mess.


    Sorry, what year did Obama take office? And how many of those years did Democrats have majorities in the House or Senate?




    Sorry, what year did the recession hit?
    2007 - ON BUSH"S WATCH - more than a YEAR before Obama took office.
    And who is running Congress NOW?
    BOTH parties.
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    Jun 03, 2011 8:04 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    riddler78 said
    rickrick91 said"Dems" refuse to deal with "THEIR fiscal mess"!
    LOL!
    OUR fiscal mess (the lingering after effects of the 2007-2009 BUSH recession) was created by the Repubs.
    The mess is NOT the Dem's mess.

    Also - FYI - The House is controlled by the Repub party.
    The Dems aren't in complete control of Congress anymore.
    BOTH parties have a responsibilty to fix OUR mess.


    Sorry, what year did Obama take office? And how many of those years did Democrats have majorities in the House or Senate?




    Sorry, what year did the recession hit?
    2007 - ON BUSH"S WATCH - more than a YEAR before Obama took office.
    And who is running Congress NOW?
    BOTH parties.


    And who was in control of Congress when the recession hit? Right, I see.
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    Jun 03, 2011 8:11 PM GMT
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    rickrick91 said
    riddler78 said
    rickrick91 said"Dems" refuse to deal with "THEIR fiscal mess"!
    LOL!
    OUR fiscal mess (the lingering after effects of the 2007-2009 BUSH recession) was created by the Repubs.
    The mess is NOT the Dem's mess.

    Also - FYI - The House is controlled by the Repub party.
    The Dems aren't in complete control of Congress anymore.
    BOTH parties have a responsibilty to fix OUR mess.


    Sorry, what year did Obama take office? And how many of those years did Democrats have majorities in the House or Senate?




    Sorry, what year did the recession hit?
    2007 - ON BUSH"S WATCH - more than a YEAR before Obama took office.
    And who is running Congress NOW?
    BOTH parties.



    RickRick,

    A recession doesn't mean that the Federal government needs to increase the debt by 50% in 2 years.

    The "Fiscal Mess" that is the Federal government of today is completely a result of the out of control spending by Obama-Pelosi-Reid and the Democrat-controlled Congress of the past 2 years.




    The National Debt hasn't been increased by 50%.
    That's a lie.
    You Repubs just make shit up.

    And FYI - Reagan more than tripled the National Debt.
    Dubya doubled the National Debt.
    What was their excuse?
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    riddler78 said
    rickrick91 said
    riddler78 said
    rickrick91 said"Dems" refuse to deal with "THEIR fiscal mess"!
    LOL!
    OUR fiscal mess (the lingering after effects of the 2007-2009 BUSH recession) was created by the Repubs.
    The mess is NOT the Dem's mess.

    Also - FYI - The House is controlled by the Repub party.
    The Dems aren't in complete control of Congress anymore.
    BOTH parties have a responsibilty to fix OUR mess.


    Sorry, what year did Obama take office? And how many of those years did Democrats have majorities in the House or Senate?




    Sorry, what year did the recession hit?
    2007 - ON BUSH"S WATCH - more than a YEAR before Obama took office.
    And who is running Congress NOW?
    BOTH parties.


    And who was in control of Congress when the recession hit? Right, I see.




    And what legislation SPECIFICALLY did the Dems pass between Feb. 2007 and Dec. 2007 to bring on the worst recession in 70 years?
    And how did they get it past PRESIDENT BUSH'S VETO PEN?
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    Jun 03, 2011 8:20 PM GMT
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    rickrick91 saidThe National Debt hasn't been increased by 50%.
    That's a lie.
    You Repubs just make shit up.


    OK RickRick,

    By what percentage did the national debt increase from January 20, 2009 through today?




    The national Debt was about 10 trillion when Bush left office - TWO TIMES what it was when he took office.
    It's currently about 14.3 trillion.
    It's grown by LESS than 50% and is nowhere as fiscally irresponsible as Bush's reckless spending spree that doubled the National Debt.
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    Jun 03, 2011 8:38 PM GMT
    Reading the messages, the Democratic supporters here are only putting out random nonsense that deserves no reply.
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    rickrick91 saidThe national Debt was about 10 trillion when Bush left office - TWO TIMES what it was when he took office.
    It's currently about 14.3 trillion.
    It's grown by LESS than 50% and is nowhere as fiscally irresponsible as Bush's reckless spending spree that doubled the National Debt.


    So let's see.... if it took 8 years for Bush to add $5 trillion to the debt, and it took Obama 2 1/2 years to add $5 trillion to the debt (assuming of course that it is the President who is responsbile for the taxing and spending bills, which of course, the President is not), then Obama is "succeeding" in doing what it took Bush 8 years to do in just 2 1/2 years.

    That IS change we can believe in!




    President Obama added extra debt to pay for a stimulus bill to lift the country out of the Bush recession he inherited.
    What was Bush's excuse for doubling the National Debt?
    What was Reagan's excuse for more than tripling the National Debt?

    When SPECIFICALLY did Reagan or Bush push for spending cuts and reducing the national Debt as President Obama has?
    Whatever happened to the Repubs' mantra of "deficits don't matter"?
    When will you Repubs admit you were wrong about that "deficits don't matter" BS?
    When will you Repubs apologize to the American people for claiming that "deficits don't matter" for the last 30 years?

    FYI - instead of answering my questions, we will likely see SB and socal scatter like the frightened right-wing hens in that pic above this post.
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    Jun 03, 2011 8:47 PM GMT
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    President Obama added extra debt to pay for a stimulus bill to lift the country out of the Bush recession he inherited.



    Ah, on this we agree.

    Unfortunately, all that spending has just prolonged and worsened the crisis.






    PROVE IT.
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    rickrick91 said
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    rickrick91 said
    President Obama added extra debt to pay for a stimulus bill to lift the country out of the Bush recession he inherited.



    Ah, on this we agree.

    Unfortunately, all that spending has just prolonged and worsened the crisis.






    PROVE IT.



    RickRick,

    Look at the unemployment figures (they're going up).

    Look at the constantly revised (downward) GDP projections.





    No, the "unemployment figures" didn't go up.
    54,00 jobs were ADDED - which is VASTLY better than the 750,000 jobs we were LOSING every month in early 2009 when Bush left office.
    The unemployment rate increased, but that isn't the same thing as the unemployment figures.

    And where is your PROOF that the stimulus bill prolonged or worsened the crisis?
    The actual facts and figures prove that things have gotten better not worse.

    You Repubs just make shit up and hope you can get away with it.
  • Webster666

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    Jun 03, 2011 10:33 PM GMT
    How is this the "Democrat's fiscal mess ?"
    It is, and it always was, and it always will be the fiscal mess created by President Cheney and Little Bush, from the plan invented by Ronald Reagan, Republicans all.

    The middle class fuels the economy, because they are the ones who spend the most money, creating a need for more products and services, which creates a need to hire more people.

    The Republicans have stolen from the middle class and given to the wealthy, thereby eliminating the middle class, and leaving nothing but the wealthy and the poor.

    No middle class = no spending = no need for more products and services = no need to hire more people.

    Nice work, Republicans.
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    Jun 03, 2011 11:25 PM GMT
    GQjock saidYou say things like that and you're bound to get laughed at. icon_wink.gif

    He's pasting the things he's been sent. That's rather obvious. My only uncertainty is how many others here are doing the same thing, and how many are instead merely morons in their own right.

    Of course they will go ballistic at this suggestion, following the script they were given in case someone calls them out.

    "I vote for anti-gay candidates, I support anti-gay positions, but hey, I'm a gay myself, because I say so. So you gotta respect my support for gay hatred, and join me in it. Otherwise you're a liberal hen, or a socialist, or whatever personally insulting words I can invent." (Or have been e-mailed)

    Well, sorry, I see through that game. To quote their icon George Bush, "You're either with us, or against us." Gay goals are fairly clear. Are these guys for those goals or against them? Do they support politicians who endorse those goals, or those who oppose them, and even push for Draconian anti-gay laws?

    And I don't wanna hear the evasion about economic issues, or anything which is really unrelated to gay civil rights. When Black civil rights were being fought a half-century ago, I don't recall the economy being an issue to oppose them. I fail to see how demanding ANY civil rights can have a negative impact on the economy,

    So I must conclude that those who oppose gay civil rights do so because they desire harm to gay people. If you support those who wish harm to us, then YOU personally wish harm to us as well. Difficult to escape that obvious conclusion, though I know some will try to twist & turn, rationalizing like crazy. And failing that, attack me personally. Be interesting to read.
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    Art_Deco said Gay goals are fairly clear.

    What a narrow-minded view.... "gay goals." icon_rolleyes.gif

    Sorry, but not ALL gays have the same political, social and economic viewpoints that you do.

    Just gay civil rights, which I know you oppose. Thank you for confirming my premise. Boy, that was easy! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Webster666 saidHow is this the "Democrat's fiscal mess ?"
    It is, and it always was, and it always will be the fiscal mess created by President Cheney and Little Bush, from the plan invented by Ronald Reagan, Republicans all.

    The middle class fuels the economy, because they are the ones who spend the most money, creating a need for more products and services, which creates a need to hire more people.

    The Republicans have stolen from the middle class and given to the wealthy, thereby eliminating the middle class, and leaving nothing but the wealthy and the poor.

    No middle class = no spending = no need for more products and services = no need to hire more people.

    Nice work, Republicans.






    How did the Republicans "steal" from the middle class, Webster-the-Devil?


    By rigging the tax code to favor investment returns over earned income, and allowing bankers and hedge fund managers to claim their exorbitant annual returns as capital gains instead of income.

    They further deregulated or poked holes in most antitrust laws, which has reduced competition in many sectors, which has left most Americans victims to usurious banking and credit card fees with no recourse.

    Refusing to remove the cap on Social Security or Medicare payroll taxes, which alone would make both solvent.

    Need I go on?
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    Webster666 saidHow is this the "Democrat's fiscal mess ?"
    It is, and it always was, and it always will be the fiscal mess created by President Cheney and Little Bush, from the plan invented by Ronald Reagan, Republicans all.

    The middle class fuels the economy, because they are the ones who spend the most money, creating a need for more products and services, which creates a need to hire more people.

    The Republicans have stolen from the middle class and given to the wealthy, thereby eliminating the middle class, and leaving nothing but the wealthy and the poor.

    No middle class = no spending = no need for more products and services = no need to hire more people.

    Nice work, Republicans.


    How did the Republicans "steal" from the middle class, Webster-the-Devil?


    By rigging the tax code to favor investment returns over earned income, and allowing bankers and hedge fund managers to claim their exorbitant annual returns as capital gains instead of income.

    They further deregulated or poked holes in most antitrust laws, which has reduced competition in many sectors, which has left most Americans victims to usurious banking and credit card fees with no recourse.

    Refusing to remove the cap on Social Security or Medicare payroll taxes, which alone would make both solvent.

    Need I go on?


    50% of U.S. Households pay ZERO in income taxes. The tax code doesn't touch them, except for the fact that it says they pay ZERO in income taxes.

    Your other examples are just your personal gripes.... they don't show how the Republicans "stole" from the middle class as your Komrade Webster-the-Devil asserted.


    Incorrect. They pay zero federal income tax AFTER the standard deduction BECAUSE they don't make enough money.

    You can't bitch that teachers and union members make TOO MUCH money ($50k a year) and then claim that $200k is barely scraping by.

    Please try to be consistent in your idiot ramblings.