Paul Ryan's Morality Crisis

  • creature

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    Jun 05, 2011 1:30 PM GMT
    Interesting to see Paul Ryan receiving some backlash from the religious sect. Not that I believe religion should be intertwined with our government, but the promotion of selfishness is inexcusable.

    http://swampland.time.com/2011/06/03/paul-ryans-ayn-rand-problem/?xid=huffpo-direct
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    Jun 05, 2011 2:55 PM GMT
    You can attack Ryan all you want, but the fact is he is the one who had the balls to put out a plan. The budget from the President has been completely repudiated, and the Democrats in Congress have refused to propose anything for fear of political backlash. They strike me as little cowards hiding under Mother's skirt.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 05, 2011 3:18 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidYou can attack Ryan all you want, but the fact is he is the one who had the balls to put out a plan. The budget from the President has been completely repudiated, and the Democrats in Congress have refused to propose anything for fear of political backlash. They strike me as little cowards hiding under Mother's skirt.



    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....
  • creature

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    Jun 05, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
    I just think it's cute how a religious sector of our community is putting ads like these against a Republican. Republicans are the ones who try so hard to appease the Christian community. And now some of those Christians are going after him. It's hilarious.

    This is actually great for Democrats to seize upon in 2012 if any other Republicans have publicly announced their admiration of Ayn Rand.
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    Jun 05, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness saidYou can attack Ryan all you want, but the fact is he is the one who had the balls to put out a plan. The budget from the President has been completely repudiated, and the Democrats in Congress have refused to propose anything for fear of political backlash. They strike me as little cowards hiding under Mother's skirt.



    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....


    Bingo!
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    Jun 05, 2011 3:51 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness saidYou can attack Ryan all you want, but the fact is he is the one who had the balls to put out a plan. The budget from the President has been completely repudiated, and the Democrats in Congress have refused to propose anything for fear of political backlash. They strike me as little cowards hiding under Mother's skirt.



    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....


    Yep, the selfish electorate that will vote to have benefits even though it means robbing future generations. Hopefully enough people decide to vote against selfishness and for their country's sustainability.
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    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness saidYou can attack Ryan all you want, but the fact is he is the one who had the balls to put out a plan. The budget from the President has been completely repudiated, and the Democrats in Congress have refused to propose anything for fear of political backlash. They strike me as little cowards hiding under Mother's skirt.



    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....


    Yes - they also made a decision last election. Did you perhaps forget that there was an election this past November - only half a year ago?

    Of course, I suspect what we will see are even greater strides by fiscal conservatives both in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. It's clear that people are concerned about entitlement spending and don't want cherished programs cut but at the same time it's equally clear that people do not believe that the Federal government in the US spends its money efficiently or effectively.
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    Jun 05, 2011 4:13 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness saidYou can attack Ryan all you want, but the fact is he is the one who had the balls to put out a plan. The budget from the President has been completely repudiated, and the Democrats in Congress have refused to propose anything for fear of political backlash. They strike me as little cowards hiding under Mother's skirt.

    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....

    How true, and with all expectations that the economy will remain flat and the real scary part of the health care reform on the table, the odds are fair that the voters will hope for a better change.
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    Jun 05, 2011 4:23 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness saidYou can attack Ryan all you want, but the fact is he is the one who had the balls to put out a plan. The budget from the President has been completely repudiated, and the Democrats in Congress have refused to propose anything for fear of political backlash. They strike me as little cowards hiding under Mother's skirt.



    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....


    Yes - they also made a decision last election. Did you perhaps forget that there was an election this past November - only half a year ago?

    Of course, I suspect what we will see are even greater strides by fiscal conservatives both in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. It's clear that people are concerned about entitlement spending and don't want cherished programs cut but at the same time it's equally clear that people do not believe that the Federal government in the US spends its money efficiently or effectively.


    And did you forget that the newly elected members spent much of their time on socially conservative bills? You would think that their crying about the unemployment rate that jobs would have been their #1 priority. But it wasn't.

    Let's also not forget what happened in NY26. A district so easily won previously, and the Republican candidate failed to attain a close proximity to that figure, even if you add that "Tea Party" candidate's votes.

    The tide is turning.
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    Jun 05, 2011 4:28 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....



    Yes they will icon_lol.gif
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    creature saidAnd did you forget that the newly elected members spent much of their time on socially conservative bills? You would think that their crying about the unemployment rate that jobs would have been their #1 priority. But it wasn't.

    Let's also not forget what happened in NY26. A district so easily won previously, and the Republican candidate failed to attain a close proximity to that figure, even if you add that "Tea Party" candidate's votes.

    The tide is turning.


    Or it really isn't and that is just one datapoint (especially considering the Democrat turned faux-tea party candidate took 9% of the vote). There was also a lot of noise in NY26 - not to mention the demagoguery. The problem with respect to reforming entitlement spending is that it is going to be complicated and as a result people prefer the status quo. But it's also deeply irresponsible given any tables you look at, both funds are already being exhausted - and those who defend the status quo seem to argue that it is a problem that can be worried about when the funds actually get exhausted.

    The problem is that both "funds" are in government debt which just means increasingly more debt that will be issued going forward. But this is a line in the sand that is being drawn. Unfortunately in NY26, they didn't really defend Ryan's bill - and I think that was a poor strategic choice. What will happen however if the Republicans ultimately make it an election issue I think remains to be seen but given how the current Administration is seen as being trusted on the economy, I think that they will in the very least find a receptive audience to an attempt at an honest discussion.

    The tide turned November 2010 - and it was a tidal wave. What changed wasn't greatest on the national level either - it was at the local levels. Your partisan rantings about "their crying about the unemployment rate that jobs would have been their #1 priority" is unfortunate because you seem to make light of a serious issue as if unemployment is partisan in any way.
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    Jun 05, 2011 4:49 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness saidYou can attack Ryan all you want, but the fact is he is the one who had the balls to put out a plan. The budget from the President has been completely repudiated, and the Democrats in Congress have refused to propose anything for fear of political backlash. They strike me as little cowards hiding under Mother's skirt.



    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....


    Yes - they also made a decision last election. Did you perhaps forget that there was an election this past November - only half a year ago?

    Of course, I suspect what we will see are even greater strides by fiscal conservatives both in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. It's clear that people are concerned about entitlement spending and don't want cherished programs cut but at the same time it's equally clear that people do not believe that the Federal government in the US spends its money efficiently or effectively.


    I think it's clear by the radical behavior since the last election, the electorate would like to REDO the results!
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    Jun 05, 2011 4:50 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    HndsmKansan said
    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....



    Yes they will icon_lol.gif


    I'm looking forward to it Todd!
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    Jun 05, 2011 4:50 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness saidYou can attack Ryan all you want, but the fact is he is the one who had the balls to put out a plan. The budget from the President has been completely repudiated, and the Democrats in Congress have refused to propose anything for fear of political backlash. They strike me as little cowards hiding under Mother's skirt.

    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....

    How true, and with all expectations that the economy will remain flat and the real scary part of the health care reform on the table, the odds are fair that the voters will hope for a better change.


    You only wish... and hope!
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    Jun 05, 2011 4:54 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness saidYou can attack Ryan all you want, but the fact is he is the one who had the balls to put out a plan. The budget from the President has been completely repudiated, and the Democrats in Congress have refused to propose anything for fear of political backlash. They strike me as little cowards hiding under Mother's skirt.



    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....


    Yes - they also made a decision last election. Did you perhaps forget that there was an election this past November - only half a year ago?

    Of course, I suspect what we will see are even greater strides by fiscal conservatives both in the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. It's clear that people are concerned about entitlement spending and don't want cherished programs cut but at the same time it's equally clear that people do not believe that the Federal government in the US spends its money efficiently or effectively.


    I think it's clear by the radical behavior since the last election, the electorate would like to REDO the results!


    Radical behavior by the current Administration supported by Democrats is why Republicans were elected in such large numbers in November. The healthcare act is deeply unpopular and people view spending is rampant and one of the primary reasons there was such a tidal wave of change.
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    Jun 05, 2011 5:00 PM GMT
    I'm talking SINCE the last election and I'm confident if we had a redo of the last election, we'd have a significant difference... but no matter, we have the next one to look forward to!
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    Jun 05, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
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    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness saidYou can attack Ryan all you want, but the fact is he is the one who had the balls to put out a plan. The budget from the President has been completely repudiated, and the Democrats in Congress have refused to propose anything for fear of political backlash. They strike me as little cowards hiding under Mother's skirt.



    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....


    Yep, the selfish electorate that will vote to have benefits even though it means robbing future generations. Hopefully enough people decide to vote against selfishness and for their country's sustainability.




    LOL!
    Greedy "selfish" wealthy Repubs have been voting Repub for years out of a "selfish" lust for the tax cuts for the rich that the Repub party advocates, even though it means "robbing future generations" and today's middle and lower income Americans of lost tax revenue.
    Hopefully, enough people will decide to vote against the Republican party's budget plan to destroy Medicare in order to pay for tax cuts for the rich.
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    mocktwinkie said
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness saidYou can attack Ryan all you want, but the fact is he is the one who had the balls to put out a plan. The budget from the President has been completely repudiated, and the Democrats in Congress have refused to propose anything for fear of political backlash. They strike me as little cowards hiding under Mother's skirt.



    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....


    Yep, the selfish electorate that will vote to have benefits even though it means robbing future generations. Hopefully enough people decide to vote against selfishness and for their country's sustainability.




    LOL!
    Greedy "selfish" wealthy Repubs have been voting Repub for years out of a "selfish" lust for the tax cuts for the rich that the Repub party advocates, even though it means "robbing future generations" and today's middle and lower income Americans of lost tax revenue.
    Hopefully, enough people will decide to vote against the Republican party's budget plan to destroy Medicare in order to pay for tax cuts for the rich.


    Tax cuts are simply letting people keep more of what they've earned by hard work or ingenuity.

    You really have no point at all. We have a national debt because there is too much spending. You don't spend more than what you have and then expect someone else to just foot the bill.

    I'm going to go buy 5 yachts and if I can't pay for all for them I'll just recruit you to help me with the payments, how's that? lol


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    Jun 05, 2011 10:19 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidI'm talking SINCE the last election and I'm confident if we had a redo of the last election, we'd have a significant difference... but no matter, we have the next one to look forward to!


    Especially in Florida. So many in the Sunshine state regret electing Rick Scott. Though he did win only by a slim margin, so I'm not totally mad at them.
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    mocktwinkie said
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    mocktwinkie said
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness saidYou can attack Ryan all you want, but the fact is he is the one who had the balls to put out a plan. The budget from the President has been completely repudiated, and the Democrats in Congress have refused to propose anything for fear of political backlash. They strike me as little cowards hiding under Mother's skirt.



    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....


    Yep, the selfish electorate that will vote to have benefits even though it means robbing future generations. Hopefully enough people decide to vote against selfishness and for their country's sustainability.




    LOL!
    Greedy "selfish" wealthy Repubs have been voting Repub for years out of a "selfish" lust for the tax cuts for the rich that the Repub party advocates, even though it means "robbing future generations" and today's middle and lower income Americans of lost tax revenue.
    Hopefully, enough people will decide to vote against the Republican party's budget plan to destroy Medicare in order to pay for tax cuts for the rich.


    Tax cuts are simply letting people keep more of what they've earned by hard work or ingenuity.

    You are thinking that people who have "more" than you are to be used as a bank or as some kind of accessible reserve money to "bail" everything out when times get tough.





    I'm thinking about what's good for the country.
    Rich greedy Repubs are just thinking about their own greedy self interest..

    I'm thinking about the fact that the low tax rates on the rich implemented by the Repubs have a shitty record at creating jobs or stimulating the economy and a long repeated proven track record of blowing up the National Debt.

    I'm thinking about the fact that raising taxes on the rich after WWII worked at reducing and eliminating the massive war debt without harming the economy, and that it resulted in a long period of economic prosperity and an expanding thriving middle class.

    I'm thinking about the fact that raising taxes on the rich at the beginning of the Clinton administration spurred the strongest economic expansion in U.S. history and created 23 million jobs over the 8 years Clinton was in office.

    I'm thinking about the fact that Bush CUT taxes on the rich at the beginning of his administration and: doubled the National Debt, had the worst recession in 70 years hit on his watch, and only 3 million jobs were created in the 8 years Bush was in office.

    The problem is that the only thing rich Repubs think about is their own selfish interests, and the short term.
    That's why 30 years of the failed "deficits don't matter" tax cuts for the rich Repub economic policy has saddled Americans with crushing debt and run our economy into the ground
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    mocktwinkie said
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    mocktwinkie said
    HndsmKansan said
    socalfitness saidYou can attack Ryan all you want, but the fact is he is the one who had the balls to put out a plan. The budget from the President has been completely repudiated, and the Democrats in Congress have refused to propose anything for fear of political backlash. They strike me as little cowards hiding under Mother's skirt.



    Interesting commentary... but the electorate will make the decision after the next election....


    Yep, the selfish electorate that will vote to have benefits even though it means robbing future generations. Hopefully enough people decide to vote against selfishness and for their country's sustainability.




    LOL!
    Greedy "selfish" wealthy Repubs have been voting Repub for years out of a "selfish" lust for the tax cuts for the rich that the Repub party advocates, even though it means "robbing future generations" and today's middle and lower income Americans of lost tax revenue.
    Hopefully, enough people will decide to vote against the Republican party's budget plan to destroy Medicare in order to pay for tax cuts for the rich.


    Tax cuts are simply letting people keep more of what they've earned by hard work or ingenuity.

    You really have no point at all. We have a national debt because there is too much spending. You don't spend more than what you have and then expect someone else to just foot the bill.

    I'm going to go buy 5 yachts and if I can't pay for all for them I'll just recruit you to help me with the payments, how's that? lol


    Bullshit. Have a look at the Forbes 400 sometime and you will see a huge swath of inherited wealth, a few true entrepreneur and a ton of financial executives who have made their fortunes by gambling instead of making investments in growing small business or supporting new industries.

    And, yes, we do have too much spending, primarily on wars of choice, tax-payer funded give-aways to the insurance and pharmaceutical companies, and tax cuts the not only didn't improve the economy but have choked it off with all the money going to the top 1% who are not reinvesting any portion of it into the country.
  • silverfox

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    Aug 11, 2012 7:47 PM GMT
    Paul Ryan- a man who wants to shut down medicare and social security is going to help a Republican get elected? Does Mitt not realize that he just lost the senior citizen vote? Goodbye Florida!


    That is great news for us Floridians! Hopefully we are no longer a swing state and the non stop negative campaign ads will stop here!
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    silverfox saidPaul Ryan- a man who wants to shut down medicare and social security is going to help a Republican get elected? Does Mitt not realize that he just lost the senior citizen vote? Goodbye Florida!


    That is great news for us Floridians! Hopefully we are no longer a swing state and the non stop negative campaign ads will stop here!


    I sense that the ads will take a policy focus which differentiates the choice that Florida voters have. Key messaging will underscore how the Romney/Ryan budget philosophies would turn Medicare into a voucher system (with no guarantee that the vouchers will be sufficient to pay for healthcare), and a tax code simplification which would overwhelmingly benefit the rich and push lower income families, unmarried women, and children back below the poverty line.
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    Aug 12, 2012 12:37 AM GMT
    riddler78 said

    Radical behavior by the current Administration supported by Democrats is why Republicans were elected in such large numbers in November. The healthcare act is deeply unpopular and people view spending is rampant and one of the primary reasons there was such a tidal wave of change.


    Is it still an inconvenient truth to you that Romney did the same thing as governor and said it should be a model for the rest of the country?

    Obamacare: The model for the rest of the country.
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    Aug 12, 2012 2:19 AM GMT
    The only thing more annoying than people who preach the Bible are people who preach Ayn Rand. Objectivism is a philosophy for people who strive to think like sociopaths. It's like Satanism, minus a deity or anything supernatural.icon_confused.gif