Obamascare part II (DNC)

  • Goofeyman

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    Jun 07, 2011 1:05 AM GMT
    pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill – Doctors/ AMA – The Government will tell YOU what you can earn.

    Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE.

    Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

    Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll $400k & above who does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

    pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between $251k & $400k who don’t provide public option pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.

    Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable HC according to Government will be taxed 2.5% of income.

    Pg 170 Lines 1-3
    HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.)  Isn’t this nice?

    Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (the GOVERNMENT) will have access to ALL Americans’ finances and personal records.

    PG 203 Line 14-15 HC – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that.

    Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected.

    Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors – doesn’t matter what specialty – will all be paid the same.  Really? That’s an incentive to enter medicine.

    PG 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of Doctor’s time, profession al judgment, etc. Literally, value of humans.

    PG 265 Sec 1131Government mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries.

    PG 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

    PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing!

    Page 280 Sec 1151 The Government will penalize hospitals for what Government deems preventable readmissions.

    Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors who treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission – Government will penalize you.

    Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own .

    Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion – Government will mandate hospitals cannot expand.

    pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!

    Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures which of course forces health care rationing.

    Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc., forcing people into Government plan.

    Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Government will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!

    Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy – Telehealth Advisory Committee. HC by phone.

    PG 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance Care Planning Consultations. Think Senior Citizens end of life prodding.

    Pg 425 Lines 17-19
    Government will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

    PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in how to die.

    PG 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The Government has a say in how your life ends.

    Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “advanced care planning consultant” will be used frequently as patients’ health deteriorates.

    PG 429 Lines 10-12
    “advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from the Government to end a life!

    Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The Government will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

    PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life.

    Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services/Non profit orgs. (ACORN Medical Services here?)

    Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION. 1 monthly payment to a community-based organization. (Like ACORN?)

    PG 489 Sec 1308 The Government will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Government into our marriages?

    Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services. You’d better speak up now before you are on the “advanced care consultation” list.
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    Jun 07, 2011 2:13 AM GMT
    Holy shit man this sounds like a total headache. Why can't we all just get TAXED more from our paychecks and have FREE health care.
  • JP85257

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    Jun 07, 2011 2:14 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON saidHoly shit man this sounds like a total headache. Why can't we all just get TAXED more from our paychecks and have FREE health care.

    Why should I be taxed so YOU can have health care?
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    Jun 07, 2011 2:17 AM GMT
    JP85257 said
    JAKEBENSON saidHoly shit man this sounds like a total headache. Why can't we all just get TAXED more from our paychecks and have FREE health care.

    Why should I be taxed so YOU can have health care?


    Oh, well then so much for caring for other people. You might as well not pay taxes for roads that I'M going to be driving on or pay taxes for libraries that I'M going to be going to or pay taxes for jail cells that I'M going to get butt raped in. I see how it is. You just want things for you and don't really care about the society you live in. How hipster.

    If I made more money I'd be down to throw more money at health care for everyone. But you know, not everyone is benevolent and everyone's free to be a selfish greedy douche bag who prefers to spend money on lavish superficial crap. I mean, if I was dumb, young, hot and had no morals that's exactly what I'd be doing.
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    Jun 07, 2011 2:20 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said
    JP85257 said
    JAKEBENSON saidHoly shit man this sounds like a total headache. Why can't we all just get TAXED more from our paychecks and have FREE health care.

    Why should I be taxed so YOU can have health care?


    Oh, well then so much for caring for other people. You might as well not pay taxes for roads that I'M going to be driving on or pay taxes for libraries that I'M going to be going to or pay taxes for jail cells that I'M going to get butt raped in. I see how it is. You just want things for you and don't really care about the society you live in. How hipster.

    If I made more money I'd be down to throw more money at health care for everyone. But you know, not everyone is benevolent and everyone's free to be a selfish greedy douche bag who prefers to spend money on lavish superficial crap. I mean, if I was dumb, young, hot and had no morals that's exactly what I'd be doing.

    Thats about how I feel about it. Its not that I dont care about other people, but if you want insurance go buy it. If you cant afford it then you cant buy it. Just like me.
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    Jun 07, 2011 2:21 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said
    JP85257 said
    JAKEBENSON saidHoly shit man this sounds like a total headache. Why can't we all just get TAXED more from our paychecks and have FREE health care.

    Why should I be taxed so YOU can have health care?


    Oh, well then so much for caring for other people. You might as well not pay taxes for roads that I'M going to be driving on or pay taxes for libraries that I'M going to be going to or pay taxes for jail cells that I'M going to get butt raped in. I see how it is. You just want things for you and don't really care about the society you live in. How hipster.

    If I made more money I'd be down to throw more money at health care for everyone. But you know, not everyone is benevolent and everyone's free to be a selfish greedy douche bag who prefers to spend money on lavish superficial crap. I mean, if I was dumb, young, hot and had no morals that's exactly what I'd be doing.


    Plus 1.
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    Jun 07, 2011 2:23 AM GMT
    JP85257 said
    Thats about how I feel about it. Its not that I dont care about other people, but if you want insurance go buy it. If you cant afford it then you cant buy it. Just like me.


    I really wish it was this simple. And I have been paying for insurance for 6 years now. The system is totally flawed though. I've had a dermatology problem for almost two years now and dermatologist after dermatologist, EIGHT now, haven't listened to me, run expensive tests, and came up with the results as "i don't know what it is but let's run that $200 test again!" I'd be nice to see doctors and not worry about forking over thousands of dollars to get nothing fixed. It's just aggravating and I feel so hopeless that I PAY money and NOTHING happens. I don't feel like I need to pay into a system that doesn't work. I'd rather it be free if it's broken lol.
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    Jun 07, 2011 2:26 AM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said
    JP85257 said
    Thats about how I feel about it. Its not that I dont care about other people, but if you want insurance go buy it. If you cant afford it then you cant buy it. Just like me.


    I really wish it was this simple. And I have been paying for insurance for 6 years now. The system is totally flawed though. I've had a dermatology problem for almost two years now and dermatologist after dermatologist, EIGHT now, haven't listened to me, run expensive tests, and came up with the results as "i don't know what it is but let's run that $200 test again!" I'd be nice to see doctors and not worry about forking over thousands of dollars to get nothing fixed. It's just aggravating and I feel so hopeless that I PAY money and NOTHING happens. I don't feel like I need to pay into a system that doesn't work. I'd rather it be free if it's broken lol.

    So you and I basically feel the same way. I hope you feel like an asshole.

    I dont think its inappropriate for me to want to keep and spend MY money that I earn.
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    Jun 07, 2011 2:29 AM GMT
    JP85257 said
    So you and I basically feel the same way. I hope you feel like an asshole.

    I dont think its inappropriate for me to want to keep and spend MY money that I earn.


    No we don't feel the same way. I'm down to pay money for poor people if it works for them. But I'm not down to put money into a system that doesn't work for me at the same time. Two separate ideas. I'd prefer to pay money for a system that works FOR EVERYONE.

    So now I don't feel like an asshole. That's because you're an asshole, you fucking asshole. icon_biggrin.gif

    Yah no if you don't think it's appropriate to spend money that you earn then DON'T PAY YOUR FUCKING TAXES. Sounds like you just want to keep money.

    Anyway, one day when you catch the super-fun best-friend AIDS virus you'll change your mind about universal healthcare. Until then, enjoy being myopic and narrow-minded. I'm done chatting with you Arizonatroll.

  • JP85257

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    Jun 07, 2011 12:47 PM GMT
    JAKEBENSON said
    JP85257 said
    So you and I basically feel the same way. I hope you feel like an asshole.

    I dont think its inappropriate for me to want to keep and spend MY money that I earn.


    No we don't feel the same way. I'm down to pay money for poor people if it works for them. But I'm not down to put money into a system that doesn't work for me at the same time. Two separate ideas. I'd prefer to pay money for a system that works FOR EVERYONE.

    So now I don't feel like an asshole. That's because you're an asshole, you fucking asshole. icon_biggrin.gif

    Yah no if you don't think it's appropriate to spend money that you earn then DON'T PAY YOUR FUCKING TAXES. Sounds like you just want to keep money.

    Anyway, one day when you catch the super-fun best-friend AIDS virus you'll change your mind about universal healthcare. Until then, enjoy being myopic and narrow-minded. I'm done chatting with you Arizonatroll.


    Quality arugument. Fucking retard.
  • JP85257

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    Jun 07, 2011 12:52 PM GMT
    Oh and I already pay enough in taxes for people like you that depend on other people and the government for everything. So you just stay in NYC and pay upwards of 40 to 50 percent of your income to the fed and state. Enjoy yourself.
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    Jun 07, 2011 2:29 PM GMT
    "Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors – doesn’t matter what specialty – will all be paid the same. Really? That’s an incentive to enter medicine."

    In Palm Springs, I have TWO medical doctors (one is a specialist) and one dentist who are all expats from Canada.... the ONLY reason they left Canada is because of salary limits in Canada.
    ...well, maybe for the golf....
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    Jun 07, 2011 2:46 PM GMT
    Friendsrbetter said"Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors – doesn’t matter what specialty – will all be paid the same. Really? That’s an incentive to enter medicine."

    In Palm Springs, I have TWO medical doctors (one is a specialist) and one dentist who are all expats from Canada.... the ONLY reason they left Canada is because of salary limits in Canada.
    ...well, maybe for the golf....



    Dentists are not part of Canada's Universal healthcare system. icon_wink.gif

    As for doctor's we have a top notch Oncologist in the family who returned from the US because he couldn't stand healthcare being available based on the size of your wallet.

    Here's US earnings for specialists:
    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specialty_(medicine[/url])

    In Canada a regular physician's annual earnings WERE capped at about 450 thousand, and this is not a specialist, who can make considerably more. Those caps no longer exist and a specialist can make (and many do) 700K a year.


    Now, their taxes on that income are very high (over 55%) but guess what happens if they incorporate? icon_wink.gif