Romney's numbers on the move versus Obama

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    Jun 07, 2011 11:54 AM GMT
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-loses-bin-laden-bounce-romney-on-the-move-among-gop-contenders/2011/06/06/AGT5wiKH_print.html
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 07, 2011 12:17 PM GMT
    They'll never be emough..... he'll have to do a "makeover" with conservatives and I doubt that will really happen.

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    Jun 07, 2011 12:27 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidThey'll never be emough..... he'll have to do a "makeover" with conservatives and I doubt that will really happen.



    The religious right, and believe it or not I'm very far from that, have to make a decision - do they want to win an election - glass half full - or do they want to stick to their values and keep losing.

    Romney may not be my favorite candidate- I don't know who is, but he's a perfectly acceptable compromise. Do I wish that Dick Cheney was in good health and run or Jeb Bush – sure, but it’s not gonna happen so I have to deal with who is willing to run and who can win.

    We made a similar decision in 1964 between Barry Goldwater and Nelson Rockefeller. We stuck to our values and lost - lost big.
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    Jun 07, 2011 12:57 PM GMT
    Although I’m agnostic and the religion of birth is pretty milquetoast anyway, I do know a few of the hard core evangelical religious right. I’ve heard this from one of them. He’s a bit younger than me so I retell the story of 1964. Can he live with a half glass or would he prefer to lose in 2012. I do think that Romney can appeal to a broad sector of independents, moderates and most conservatives. Except for the religious aspect of it, I don’t know anyone more conservative than myself and from what I know to date, I can live with Romney.
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    Jun 07, 2011 2:24 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidThey'll never be emough..... he'll have to do a "makeover" with conservatives and I doubt that will really happen.

    You might be surprised. More Republicans are pragmatic and the desire to be rid of this administration is extremely intense.
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    Jun 07, 2011 2:36 PM GMT
    I'm not sure Romney could win against Obama, but as others have pointed out there's no chance the he or Huntsman will get passed the Christian fundies and secure the nomination.
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    Jun 07, 2011 3:17 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidI'm not sure Romney could win against Obama, but as others have pointed out there's no chance the he or Huntsman will get passed the Christian fundies and secure the nomination.


    The fundies definitely are a big problem...
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    Jun 07, 2011 3:25 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidI'm not sure Romney could win against Obama, but as others have pointed out there's no chance the he or Huntsman will get passed the Christian fundies and secure the nomination.



    I don't think anyone KNOWS anything for sure. Both Romney and/or Huntsman could get the nomination under the right circumstances and if they mount a solid campaign and win over different sectors one by one. 50 years ago, I would imagine no one thought we would have a black President either. Times change, perceptions change, people change, priorities change. Anything can happen. I agree that the Christian fundies will likely be problematic. That said, should either Romney or Huntsman get the nomination, I do not believe at all that the fundies will be staying home from the polls in droves.
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    Jun 07, 2011 4:31 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 saidI'm not sure Romney could win against Obama, but as others have pointed out there's no chance the he or Huntsman will get passed the Christian fundies and secure the nomination.



    I don't think anyone KNOWS anything for sure. Both Romney and/or Huntsman could get the nomination under the right circumstances and if they mount a solid campaign and win over different sectors one by one. 50 years ago, I would imagine no one thought we would have a black President either. Times change, perceptions change, people change, priorities change. Anything can happen. I agree that the Christian fundies will likely be problematic. That said, should either Romney or Huntsman get the nomination, I do not believe at all that the fundies will be staying home from the polls in droves.


    Any idea how many self identify as Christian fundamentalists? I tried to find the number and can't.

    I have had very few conversations with my religious right friends about Romney this cycle so what I report is based off of 2008. Sure we'd probably lose some, but can we pick up enough independent, homos, Latinos, etc to make up the difference. I think yes, unless I’m way underestimating the number of fundamentalists in this country.
  • GQjock

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    Jun 07, 2011 4:54 PM GMT
    of course they are since one by one the sick and LAME icon_cool.gif
    Are edited out of the republican field

    But you're really not saying that Healthcare Romney has a chance against Obama are you?


    Are you? LoL
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    Jun 07, 2011 5:00 PM GMT
    GQjock saidof course they are since one by one the sick and LAME icon_cool.gif
    Are edited out of the republican field

    But you're really not saying that Healthcare Romney has a chance against Obama are you?


    Are you? LoL


    YES!!!!!!
  • DalTX

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    Jun 07, 2011 5:03 PM GMT
    Mitt has been pro choice and pro life, for TAPR and against TARP,
    against Dont Ask Dont Tell and for Dont Ask Dont Tell, against the auto bailout
    and for the auto bailout, for stem cell research and against stem cell research.
    He's contorted himself so much on health care, I cant keep up.

    I suspect he'll be Methodist any day now.

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    Jun 07, 2011 5:05 PM GMT
    GQjock saidof course they are since one by one the sick and LAME icon_cool.gif
    Are edited out of the republican field

    But you're really not saying that Healthcare Romney has a chance against Obama are you?


    Are you? LoL




    Yes, absolutely. I'm not saying this is necessarily a good thing, as at the moment I am keeping an open mind, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think Obama isn't vulnerable. He doesn't have being renominated locked up by any stretch.
  • DalTX

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    Jun 07, 2011 5:18 PM GMT
    OldGeezer said
    HndsmKansan saidThey'll never be emough..... he'll have to do a "makeover" with conservatives and I doubt that will really happen.



    The religious right, and believe it or not I'm very far from that, have to make a decision - do they want to win an election - glass half full - or do they want to stick to their values and keep losing.

    Romney may not be my favorite candidate- I don't know who is, but he's a perfectly acceptable compromise. Do I wish that Dick Cheney was in good health and run or Jeb Bush – sure, but it’s not gonna happen so I have to deal with who is willing to run and who can win.

    We made a similar decision in 1964 between Barry Goldwater and Nelson Rockefeller. We stuck to our values and lost - lost big.


    I agree with OldGeezer on one thing, I too wish Dick Cheney and Jeb Bush would run.
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    Jun 07, 2011 5:50 PM GMT
    DalTX said
    OldGeezer said
    HndsmKansan saidThey'll never be emough..... he'll have to do a "makeover" with conservatives and I doubt that will really happen.



    The religious right, and believe it or not I'm very far from that, have to make a decision - do they want to win an election - glass half full - or do they want to stick to their values and keep losing.

    Romney may not be my favorite candidate- I don't know who is, but he's a perfectly acceptable compromise. Do I wish that Dick Cheney was in good health and run or Jeb Bush – sure, but it’s not gonna happen so I have to deal with who is willing to run and who can win.

    We made a similar decision in 1964 between Barry Goldwater and Nelson Rockefeller. We stuck to our values and lost - lost big.


    I agree with OldGeezer on one thing, I too wish Dick Cheney and Jeb Bush would run.


    Cheney is busy waiting for a replacement heart as he has end-stage congestive heart failure, but Jeb could do quite well. I could easily support him.
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    Jun 07, 2011 5:58 PM GMT
    Still 2016 for Jeb and for good reason.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/why-jeb-bush-wont-run-for-president-in-2012/239464/
  • Webster666

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    Jun 07, 2011 6:44 PM GMT
    A) He's a Mormon, and most voters will not vote for a Mormon
    B) He's the former governor of the most liberal state in the union
    C) His very own Massachusetts universal health care plan was the model that Obama used for national universal health care.
    D) He isn't anywhere near radically right wing enough to satisfy most Republicans.
    E) As long as the Republicans cling to killing Medicare and Social Security, there's no way they can get elected.
  • rnch

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    Jun 07, 2011 7:18 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidA)...D) He isn't anywhere near radically right wing enough to satisfy most Republicans.
    E) As long as the Republicans cling to killing Medicare and Social Security, there's no way they can get elected.


    yup!
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    Jun 07, 2011 7:22 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidA) He's a Mormon, and most voters will not vote for a Mormon
    B) He's the former governor of the most liberal state in the union
    C) His very own Massachusetts universal health care plan was the model that Obama used for national universal health care.
    D) He isn't anywhere near radically right wing enough to satisfy most Republicans.
    E) As long as the Republicans cling to killing Medicare and Social Security, there's no way they can get elected.


    A, D, and E

    Bullshit