Dan Savage Brings a Little Common Sense to Weiner Story

  • Webster666

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    Jun 07, 2011 7:23 PM GMT
    "A reporter asks if Weiner was drinking or using drugs—if he has a problem—because only a man who has a drinking problem or a drug problem could get caught up in something like this. Do reporters know what men are like? (And lots of women too?)

    This desire to pathologize behavior that isn't sick—that is, indeed, very common and human and completely and instantly understandable—is itself pathological. Weiner does not have a problem. He has a computer. The whole world has Weiner's problem: same old horniness, brand new box."

    - Dan Savage, live-blogging Weiner's press conference.
  • rnch

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    Jun 07, 2011 7:28 PM GMT
    perhaps there is a short circuit in my logic/morality brain unit...but i just don't see this as an earth shattering news event.

    so he flashed his personal pics on twitter? big deal! it's not like he is the only man/girl who has done this before.

    from what i have seen posted of him....if i had his i'd flash it also.

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    Jun 07, 2011 8:03 PM GMT
    Actually, he's behind the times. He should have an iPad or iPhone and do it in his bedroom, instead of the box in front of the desk. icon_lol.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 07, 2011 8:11 PM GMT
    Thanks Webster for a thread that is reasonable and not one to grab attention soley for the purpose of rubbing people from the other side of the aisle the wrong way....
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    Jun 07, 2011 8:13 PM GMT
    Yup. There's nothing to see here.

    Further, this idea that his not admitting to it was some huge breach of public trust is ridiculous. His constituents have no more right to the details of his private, consensual sexual conduct than they do mine, or anyone else on here.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 07, 2011 8:21 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidHis constituents have no more right to the details of his private, consensual sexual conduct than they do mine, or anyone else on here.



    But, apparently Weiner thought the young women he was chatting with had a right to know the details of his privates icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 07, 2011 8:52 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Christian73 saidHis constituents have no more right to the details of his private, consensual sexual conduct than they do mine, or anyone else on here.



    But, apparently Weiner thought the young women he was chatting with had a right to know the details of his privates icon_rolleyes.gif


    Yes. As participants in an online sexual dialogue. Are there any women coming forward to say his advances were unwanted?
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    Jun 07, 2011 9:01 PM GMT
    So did this guy just have sex with someone on webcam and we're all in a tizzy about it? You do realize we're on realjock right and the same thing happens all the time on this site? Maybe it's time we stop pathologizing sexuality?
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    Jun 07, 2011 9:06 PM GMT
    fountains saidSo did this guy just have sex with someone on webcam and we're all in a tizzy about it? You do realize we're on realjock right and the same thing happens all the time on this site? Maybe it's time we stop pathologizing sexuality?


    Amen to that.
  • silverfox

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    Jun 07, 2011 9:34 PM GMT
    Does this issue speak at all about his ability to lead and fight for his constituents? I think not. Although he had a perfect opportunity from the start to say "none of your damn business" instead of trying to cover up the non issue.


    I sure hope he isn't forced to resign because of this. I hope he can govern and be either voted in again or out by his constituents.
  • rnch

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    Jun 07, 2011 9:56 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidDan Savage Brings a Little Common Sense to Weiner Story...

    ... and conveniently ignores Weiner lying on the steps of Congress about it.


    Now back to the liberals wondering "what the big deal is." icon_rolleyes.gif


    would you rather have him tapping his foot in an airport bathroom stall?
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    Jun 07, 2011 10:07 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidDan Savage Brings a Little Common Sense to Weiner Story...

    ... and conveniently ignores Weiner lying on the steps of Congress about it.


    Now back to the liberals wondering "what the big deal is." icon_rolleyes.gif


    You add absolutely nothing to this site.
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    Jun 07, 2011 10:08 PM GMT
    The Maddow creepiness scale (did she just say horizontal y axis??)icon_lol.gif:

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    Jun 07, 2011 10:16 PM GMT
    Thank god I'm not the world, because I've never had weiner's problem, or ever had sexual relations with any women; love the way the left forgive their ownicon_lol.gif
  • Aquanerd

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    Jun 08, 2011 12:03 AM GMT
    silverfox1 saidDoes this issue speak at all about his ability to lead and fight for his constituents? I think not. Although he had a perfect opportunity from the start to say "none of your damn business" instead of trying to cover up the non issue.


    I sure hope he isn't forced to resign because of this. I hope he can govern and be either voted in again or out by his constituents.


    I agree that it is up to his constituents as too where he has a returns to office in January 2013, So he showed is hardon though his boxer briefs, no big deal. Really; not that big.

    However, you asked if any of this speaks to his ability to lead. I would say his actions after the story came out, does give one pause. He was more than willing to let his minions and the press attack the messenger with implications that Brietbart had hack his account. I that showed weakness on Wiener's part. Is it enough to cancel out what he's done for the people he represents, time will tell.

    You noticed that other than Pelosi's call for an ethic investigation, there has been little comment from others in Congress. Me thinks there are a lot of Congressional dick on the web, both those that bend to the left and the right.
  • mybud

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    Jun 08, 2011 12:07 AM GMT
    The only thing I don't get is his weeks of denials....Man up...tell the truth....who can judge your ass then...no one....I'm the type that would rather be punched in the jaw than to be lied to...Jaw pain lasts minutes...lies can last a lifetime....BUD
  • Mepark

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    Jun 08, 2011 12:13 AM GMT
    Webster666 said"A reporter asks if Weiner was drinking or using drugs—if he has a problem—because only a man who has a drinking problem or a drug problem could get caught up in something like this. Do reporters know what men are like? (And lots of women too?)

    This desire to pathologize behavior that isn't sick—that is, indeed, very common and human and completely and instantly understandable—is itself pathological. Weiner does not have a problem. He has a computer. The whole world has Weiner's problem: same old horniness, brand new box."

    - Dan Savage, live-blogging Weiner's press conference.


    Aren't those two lines a little contradicting? And why do you people have to defend him? You know it doesn't really hurt to criticize someone even if he's on our side, when it's called for. The man lied. Maybe he shouldn't resign, but if you don't come up with excuses, you'll be much more respected.
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    Jun 08, 2011 12:44 AM GMT
    Mepark said
    Webster666 said"A reporter asks if Weiner was drinking or using drugs—if he has a problem—because only a man who has a drinking problem or a drug problem could get caught up in something like this. Do reporters know what men are like? (And lots of women too?)

    This desire to pathologize behavior that isn't sick—that is, indeed, very common and human and completely and instantly understandable—is itself pathological. Weiner does not have a problem. He has a computer. The whole world has Weiner's problem: same old horniness, brand new box."

    - Dan Savage, live-blogging Weiner's press conference.


    Aren't those two lines a little contradicting? And why do you people have to defend him? You know it doesn't really hurt to criticize someone even if he's on our side, when it's called for. The man lied. Maybe he shouldn't resign, but if you don't come up with excuses, you'll be much more respected.


    No one, even Savage, is defending Weiner's actions as the scandal broke. What we're saying is that that pathologicization of sexuality and sexual activities that large percentages of the country participate in creates the need for a lie.
  • awm55

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    Jun 08, 2011 12:54 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    Mepark said
    Webster666 said"A reporter asks if Weiner was drinking or using drugs—if he has a problem—because only a man who has a drinking problem or a drug problem could get caught up in something like this. Do reporters know what men are like? (And lots of women too?)

    This desire to pathologize behavior that isn't sick—that is, indeed, very common and human and completely and instantly understandable—is itself pathological. Weiner does not have a problem. He has a computer. The whole world has Weiner's problem: same old horniness, brand new box."

    - Dan Savage, live-blogging Weiner's press conference.


    Aren't those two lines a little contradicting? And why do you people have to defend him? You know it doesn't really hurt to criticize someone even if he's on our side, when it's called for. The man lied. Maybe he shouldn't resign, but if you don't come up with excuses, you'll be much more respected.


    No one, even Savage, is defending Weiner's actions as the scandal broke. What we're saying is that that pathologicization of sexuality and sexual activities that large percentages of the country participate in creates the need for a lie.


    He is a married congressman sending suggestive pics to strangers on the internet while (apperently) engaging in something that resembles cyber sex with them. The key word here is married, most people would not be ok with their partner sending suggestive pics to strangers online, I am not sure what Savage or you are trying to say here. If he was single I could easily give this a pass, but come on man you can't really justify what he did.

    Should he step down, absolutely not, he did nothing illegal and is still bloody good at his job. Its also not nearly as bad relative to some of the other political sex scandles.
  • slimnmuscly

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    Jun 08, 2011 1:14 AM GMT
    awm55 said
    He is a married congressman sending suggestive pics to strangers on the internet while (apperently) engaging in something that resembles cyber sex with them. The key word here is married, most people would not be ok with their partner sending suggestive pics to strangers online, I am not sure what Savage or you are trying to say here.


    More from the Savage post the OP cited:

    [quote]Sometimes I hate reporters: "Why would you do this after you were married?" Um... because members of congress, like members of the press, get horny sometimes. And sometimes male members of congress, like male members of the press, think with their dicks. And sometimes men—married men—rub one out with an assist from the World Wide Web. Film at 11. Weiner was horny and went online and flirted and beat it a few times. He created his own porn, his own interactive porn, like millions of other Americans have done, and continue to do, every damn day. And the Internet provided Wiener with the same thing it provides for tens of millions of other men in monogamous relationships: needed release, safe variety.[/quote]

    Not so safe in terms of his career, obviously, but that's only because of the disconnect between the standards for sexual behavior the media apply to public figures and how people believe in real life.

    More from Savage on sexting scandals in general:



    "In the future, everyone will have a sex tape and it won't be an issue anymore. This panic about sexting is ... a generational paranoia because young people are doing something that old people didn't because they couldn't, and now they can't because no one wants to see them naked."
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    Jun 08, 2011 1:31 AM GMT
    theantijock said
    All Savage is saying is that our attitudes about sex do not match our knowledge of it.


    Who's "we" in your "our attitudes"? The same "we" who are trying to legislate morality in Congress? icon_lol.gif
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    southbeach1500 saidDan Savage Brings a Little Common Sense to Weiner Story...

    ... and conveniently ignores Weiner lying on the steps of Congress about it.


    Now back to the liberals wondering "what the big deal is." icon_rolleyes.gif


    You add absolutely nothing to this site.


    +1

    What a waste of space this ass is
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    Jun 08, 2011 1:46 AM GMT
    rnch saidperhaps there is a short circuit in my logic/morality brain unit...but i just don't see this as an earth shattering news event.

    so he flashed his personal pics on twitter? big deal! it's not like he is the only man/girl who has done this before.

    from what i have seen posted of him....if i had his i'd flash it also.

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    What?!?!? oh shit - don't tell me you have a smaller weener than his weenie
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    Jun 08, 2011 1:46 AM GMT
    The difference between what you think and what you do is called discipline. I don't think he has a sexual problem, I think he has a discipline problem. The problem isn't what he did. The problem is his status: Married, Public Official.

    If he weren't married, it wouldn't be that big of a deal. If he weren't a public official, it wouldn't make the news. But the core issue here is his lack of self-control given the hightened expectations of his status. Just seems foolish.
  • slimnmuscly

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    Jun 08, 2011 1:51 AM GMT
    Brownale saidThe difference between what you think and what you do is called discipline. I don't think he has a sexual problem, I think he has a discipline problem. The problem isn't what he did. The problem is his status: Married, Public Official.

    If he weren't married, it wouldn't be that big of a deal. If he weren't a public official, it wouldn't make the news. But the core issue here is his lack of self-control given the hightened expectations of his status. Just seems foolish.


    No, the core issue is that the "heightened expectations of his status" are just an excuse for the media not to have to do real reporting on the very real problems facing the country. Look at all the hours of broadcasting and pages of copy they're not having to fill with reporting that's a lot more time-consuming and expensive to produce than just-add-water sex scandals. Or in this case, just-add-water non-sex scandals, since it doesn't appear that anyway actually got laid.

    He's not a hypocrite. He's never run around crying family values or attacking people because of their sex lives. No need for heightened expectations.