Im Straight and I have a Question for Gays

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    Jun 08, 2011 9:36 PM GMT
    Im a straight guy. By that, I simply mean that Ive had sex with numerous women and Ive enjoyed that sex. Ive never had sexual relations with a man. I admit, I do find some men attractive, although I would never want to have sex with a man.

    So I am primarily, if not entirely, straight.

    Now here is a question I have for some in the gay community...

    Why do gays always seem to support women and feminist movement in politics?

    I am a straight guy, but I never discriminate against gays. I would absolutely hire a gay guy to work for me. I also have gay friends.

    I notice that some gays discriminate against straight culture.

    I also notice that many gay men are quick to support women, and feminists in their campaigns.

    I am shocked by this.

    Even though we may be different in terms of orientation, we are all still men. And as men, straight or gay, our rights and movements are intertwined. Of course there is the whole issue of gays in the closet and gay men who would otherwise appear straight.

    Gay men do not benefit from supporting feminist movements.
  • mcwclewis

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    Jun 08, 2011 9:56 PM GMT
    If you read up on feminism you'll find that a vast majority of it is in support of universal civil rights, which benefits gays.

    Discrimination against gay culture is the same as any counterculture. You get discriminated against, you return the favor.
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    Jun 08, 2011 11:26 PM GMT
    mcwclewis saidIf you read up on feminism you'll find that a vast majority of it is in support of universal civil rights, which benefits gays.


    The primary purpose of feminism and feminist movement, as the name would imply, is to further the causes of women in regard to employment, political and social power, reducing abuse and poverty of women, and improving the overall quality of life of women.

    So feminism, at its most fundamental level addresses purely female issues.

    Yes, it is true that feminism is somewhat aligned with *certain* civil rights movements.

    But that doesnt benefit all gays, it only benefits gays which are out.

    And even still, understand that feminists aim to empower women through the disempowerment of men. While they tend to focus on disempowering straight men, this also includes closeted gays, bisexual men, and even gay men who are out.

    Also understand that many gay guys dont look the part, and from looking at them, people will assume they are straight.

    So we can say that the rights and wellbeing of gay men is more closely related to the rights and wellbeing of all men, instead of the feminist movement.
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    Jun 08, 2011 11:27 PM GMT
    Because of the prevalance of closeted gays, and the fact that people will assume many gay men are straight simply on assumption,

    It therefore stands to reason that the wellbeing of gay men is most closely associated with the wellbeing of all men.
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    Jun 08, 2011 11:36 PM GMT
    I'm gay and I have a question for straights:
    Can y'all start producing more Adonis-type guys? Pretty please?
    kthxbai icon_biggrin.gif

    PS. To answer your question: I have no idea why gays would support a movement that bashes men. Maybe it's because they've been jaded by men just as much as many of the women? Just a hunch...
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    Jun 08, 2011 11:44 PM GMT
    I'd guess that a significant number of gay guys have been discriminated against by "straight culture" and this somehow motivates them to support the feminist movement.
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    Jun 08, 2011 11:52 PM GMT
    unfounded7 saidI'd guess that a significant number of gay guys have been discriminated against by "straight culture" and this somehow motivates them to support the feminist movement.


    Yes I do feel this is the reason.

    Its sad, and as a straight guy I am very sad and ashamed that so many straight guys will discriminate against gays.

    Personally, I am very friendly to gays and I even admire gays because they usually have more style than straight guys (in my opinion, and Im straight)

    I consider myself straight, I would be open to maybe being bi someday. But for now my dick only gets hard for girls lol!

    The point Im making is gay guys are still guys. And many gays are in the closet, or, by appearance you cannot tell they are gay. Thus it makes sense for gays to support men's rights first and foremost.

    The rights of all men (straight and gay) are more central to the gay population than feminist ideas.

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    Jun 08, 2011 11:54 PM GMT
    Either way,

    I just get confused why gays seem to support and befriend women so much. It doesnt make sense to me.

    Even from the position of gays, it doesnt make sense for them to support and befriend women so much.
  • creature

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    Jun 08, 2011 11:56 PM GMT
    It seems like you are trying to divide our society by male and female.

    I cannot explain why, if it is true, gays support women and feminist movements in politics more so than straight men. My answer to your question is: why not? If the feminists are asking for equal footing, and not preference, then that is something we should all be supporting.

    The rights of gay men, just like the rights of women, are closely aligned with the rights of humanity. The sooner this is acknowledged, the more productive we will all be.
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    Jun 08, 2011 11:58 PM GMT
    Feminists and Gays strive for equal rights. Rights that straight (white) men already enjoy. So we are not bashing straight men, we just want the same rights, same as the women.
  • JP85257

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    Jun 09, 2011 12:05 AM GMT
    I think Feminists are all bitches.

    They get pissed at Conservative women because they DO everything that the Fems say they can do....Except abort their children. Makes those bitches mad.

    Plus theyre usually ugly.
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    Jun 09, 2011 12:08 AM GMT
    bhp91126 saidFeminists and Gays strive for equal rights. Rights that straight (white) men already enjoy. So we are not bashing straight men, we just want the same rights, same as the women.


    Feminists do not strive for equal rights.

    They strive for the advancement of women (which if you think about it logically must come at the expense of men, both straight AND gay), because of what they perceive as inequality in terms of abuse, employment, political/social power and such.

    Even if things were equal, feminists will still exist in terms of advancing women's causes.

    Feminism is fundamentally extremist, and radical feminists even push for things such as affirmative action on the part of women.

    By the way, you seem to be implying that there is such a clear difference between straight and gay men. Many Gays are still in the closet, or appear straight, even though they may be gay. So gays, largely, enjoy the same rights as straights. Particularly in that many gays are closeted or atleast appear straight.
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    Jun 09, 2011 12:09 AM GMT
    Understand that feminism is the advancement of women at the expense of men.

    Because many gay men are closeted, or atleast appear straight. This also comes at the expense of gay men.

    Please don't act like straight and gay men can easily be divided. Many times by appearance you simply cannot tell and will assume a man is straight. Many guys are closeted etc.

    This is why the rights of gays is extremely closely aligned with the rights of straight men.
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    Jun 09, 2011 12:17 AM GMT
    Broski saidUnderstand that feminism is the advancement of women at the expense of men.

    Because many gay men are closeted, or atleast appear straight. This also comes at the expense of gay men.

    Please don't act like straight and gay men can easily be divided. Many times by appearance you simply cannot tell and will assume a man is straight. Many guys are closeted etc.

    This is why the rights of gays is extremely closely aligned with the rights of straight men.

    Oh bullshit, bullshit, bullshit
    I absolutely do not agree with your extremely narrow definition of feminism. Like I said, feminists strive for equal rights to straight men. So, no loss of rights for men. Or are you telling me, you are against equal rights in abuse, employment, political/social power and such? And the only rights you would lose is to discriminate against women (and glbts) in abuse, employment, political/social power and such.
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    Jun 09, 2011 12:24 AM GMT
    The way I'm reading this, the OP isn't for equal rights for both men and women. He's against the advancement of women.
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    Jun 09, 2011 12:30 AM GMT
    unfounded7 saidThe way I'm reading this, the OP isn't for equal rights for both men and women. He's against the advancement of women.


    +1.

    He's failing to see, or stubbornly rejecting the idea that the rights of any one group is aligned with us all.
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    Jun 09, 2011 12:40 AM GMT
    Fair enough that you guys dont agree with me.

    Im not trolling I am expressing my opinion.

    I dont understand how the gay or bisexual community can support women's rights. It just doesnt make sense to me. Supporting gay rights would be great. But women's rights in no way is going to help the gay community.

    You people are being delusional.

    Also, many of you will be interpreted by society as being straight. So you will be grouped with straight men, even though you are gay. Therefore your own rights and wellbeing is tied to that of straight men.

    Cheers though, agree to disagree.
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    Jun 09, 2011 12:43 AM GMT
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    Broski saidUnderstand that feminism is the advancement of women at the expense of men.

    Because many gay men are closeted, or atleast appear straight. This also comes at the expense of gay men.

    Please don't act like straight and gay men can easily be divided. Many times by appearance you simply cannot tell and will assume a man is straight. Many guys are closeted etc.

    This is why the rights of gays is extremely closely aligned with the rights of straight men.

    Oh bullshit, bullshit, bullshit
    I absolutely do not agree with your extremely narrow definition of feminism. Like I said, feminists strive for equal rights to straight men. So, no loss of rights for men. Or are you telling me, you are against equal rights in abuse, employment, political/social power and such? And the only rights you would lose is to discriminate against women (and glbts) in abuse, employment, political/social power and such.


    Youre not getting it. I am straight, but I also have bi tendencies as I admitted in my first post.

    I relate to both straight and gay communities.

    In that relation, I am more concerned with the rights of men, and the rights of gays, more so than the rights of females.

    Do you get that?

    Women's rights helps women, not gays.

    Men's rights and the rights of Straight men (due to many gays in the closet, bisexuals, and gays appearing straight) help BOTH straight and gay men.

    Thus I find the typical gay position on feminism to be somewhat self-damaging.
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    Jun 09, 2011 12:44 AM GMT
    Broski saidFair enough that you guys dont agree with me.

    Im not trolling I am expressing my opinion.

    I dont understand how the gay or bisexual community can support women's rights. It just doesnt make sense to me. Supporting gay rights would be great. But women's rights in no way is going to help the gay community.

    You people are being delusional.

    Also, many of you will be interpreted by society as being straight. So you will be grouped with straight men, even though you are gay. Therefore your own rights and wellbeing is tied to that of straight men.

    Cheers though, agree to disagree.

    They're never gonna agree with anything you say because you don't fit in the lib/commie belief agenda.

    Go back about being straight. hahah
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    Jun 09, 2011 12:44 AM GMT
    Broski saidEither way,

    I just get confused why gays seem to support and befriend women so much. It doesnt make sense to me.

    Even from the position of gays, it doesnt make sense for them to support and befriend women so much.


    Because women, in general, are more friendly to gay people. Women seem to feel less threatened by gay people than straight men do. A straight woman's femininity and/or sexual orientation won't be questioned simply because they befriend a gay person (male or female), while the same isn't true for straight men.
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    Jun 09, 2011 12:46 AM GMT
    you're assuming an entire group has the same opinion. you might as well have just gone to a bar and asked "why does everyone here beat their wife?? all of you, please answer me"

    Calling us all delusional is no help either. I mean, you just came onto one of the gayest of websites and said to everyone "im straight, hey, just letting you know, im straight" If you really just wanted an answer to the question you would've just asked the question. You obviously have some gay issue.

    if there's any tendency for "gays" to vote in favor of women's rights it's probably just the understanding of one oppressed group for another. it's the same concept, people are oppressed for dumb reasons.
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    Jun 09, 2011 12:48 AM GMT
    Wildtype and Rosco put it very well. I second both of them.

    Nat
  • JP85257

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    Jun 09, 2011 12:50 AM GMT
    Im not sure what you boys are talking about. Ive never felt "oppressed."
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    Jun 09, 2011 12:50 AM GMT
    I support human rights. Human = men, women, straight, gay, bi, transgender people of all races. I want an equal society where none of these groups of people are being discriminated against. That's it. It's not a competition.

    Unless you consider women to be worth less then men I don't even understand your argument. Why should someone have fewer rights and less power just because they have a vagina instead of a penis?
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    Jun 09, 2011 12:52 AM GMT
    rosco87 saidyou're assuming an entire group has the same opinion. you might as well have just gone to a bar and asked "why does everyone here beat their wife?? all of you, please answer me"

    Calling us all delusional is no help either. I mean, you just came onto one of the gayest of websites and said to everyone "im straight, hey, just letting you know, im straight" If you really just wanted an answer to the question you would've just asked the question. You obviously have some gay issue.

    if there's any tendency for "gays" to vote in favor of women's rights it's probably just the understanding of one oppressed group for another. it's the same concept, people are oppressed for dumb reasons.


    ^^^This. I see no harm to gay men for voting in favor of women's rights. What rights, specifically, are gay men losing by voting in favor of women's rights?

    ...Also, the "gay community" is about 50% women. icon_rolleyes.gif