In Orlando, Florida giving food to hungry people is considered "food terrorism"

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    Jun 09, 2011 1:23 PM GMT
    For those who aren't familiar with Food Not Bombs, they are an organization that collects donations of leftover food, scraps, and other edibles from restaurants and grocery stores and prepares a meal that's to be distributed to hungry people. In my experience working with Food Not Bombs most of the people we served were the working poor and kids who end up on the street after running away from abusive homes. But this is apparently considered terrorism in america!

  • offshore

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    Jun 09, 2011 1:46 PM GMT
    Well done to you OP! Whatever says the idiots, you are doing the right thing,
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    Jun 09, 2011 1:49 PM GMT
    Yeah it's also illegal for mote than 5 women to live in the same house because it's considered a "brothell", that's why at U of Miami there are no sorority houses, either way Florida comes up with some pretty weird laws...
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    Jun 09, 2011 1:57 PM GMT
    So UNLIKE Mayor Buddy Dyer! He is a good Democrat and has championed full medical benefits for same-sex couples that work for the City of Orlando. He really cares about all of Orlando's citizens and has a stellar track record as our Mayor.

    There is more....much more to something like this as it is completely out of kilter for this to happen. Permits are needed to have any kind of display in or around Lake Eola park and it's likely someone raised too much hell for OPD to be called in.
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    Jun 09, 2011 2:07 PM GMT
    america is a very confusing place for an outsider... so groups like westborough can sprout (court sanctioned) hate speech under the guise of free speech, but you can't give away food to the homeless under the same laws?
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    Jun 09, 2011 2:09 PM GMT
    StandardSocal saidYeah it's also illegal for mote than 5 women to live in the same house because it's considered a "brothell", that's why at U of Miami there are no sorority houses, either way Florida comes up with some pretty weird laws...


    Unbelievable! Never knew that. I have only lived in Florida for the last 6 months and I am stunned at some of the policies that are still active. Guess that's what we get in the "Blue Hair" state... ha ha
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    Jun 09, 2011 2:30 PM GMT
    Just playing devil's advocate:
    What if the person(s) giving out food have a health issue? Ever heard of Typhoid Mary?
    What if the person(s) giving out food have a mental issue (e.g. serial killer) and wanted to spread a food-borne illness?
    Much more likely: what if, despite the good intentions of the people giving out food, they didn't store their food correctly or didn't recook the food properly?

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    Jun 09, 2011 2:34 PM GMT
    The most terrible thing to stay homeless in a foreign country, but it's good that there are people who are willing to help ...
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    Jun 09, 2011 2:36 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidJust playing devil's advocate:
    What if the person(s) giving out food have a health issue? Ever heard of Typhoid Mary?
    What if the person(s) giving out food have a mental issue (e.g. serial killer) and wanted to spread a food-borne illness?
    Much more likely: what if the good intentions of the people giving out food didn't store their food correctly or didn't recook the food properly?



    Oh please. Most people who are sick don't go out of their way to give food to people. They stay at home and rest.
    Most people with a mental issue such as serial killing tendancies don't gather in a group in a public place in daylight with loads of witnesses... or choose food bourne illnesses as the method of killing....
    And WTF... so people die of hunger or get food poisoning? i know what i'd prefer if i was starving!
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    Jun 09, 2011 2:39 PM GMT
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    Oh please. Most people who are sick don't go out of their way to give food to people. They stay at home and rest.
    Most people with a mental issue such as serial killing tendancies don't gather in a group in a public place in daylight with loads of witnesses... or choose food bourne illnesses as the methid of killing....
    And WTF... so people die of hunger or get food poisoning? i know what i'd prefer if i was starving!


    Typhoid Mary didn't think she was sick. ("Asymptomatic carrier")
    Most people don't have mental issues. It only takes one. (I'm not saying that a license would prevent that, but it sure makes keeping track of them easier.)
    People don't die of food poisoning? Are you kidding me? I know it's the 21st century, but:

    http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol5no5/mead.htmWe estimate that foodborne diseases cause approximately 76 million illnesses, 325,000 hospitalizations, and 5,000 deaths in the United States each year. Known pathogens account for an estimated 14 million illnesses, 60,000 hospitalizations, and 1,800 deaths. Three pathogens, Salmonella, Listeria, and Toxoplasma, are responsible for 1,500 deaths each year, more than 75% of those caused by known pathogens, while unknown agents account for the remaining 62 million illnesses, 265,000 hospitalizations, and 3,200 deaths. Overall, foodborne diseases appear to cause more illnesses but fewer deaths than previously estimated.
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    Jun 09, 2011 2:42 PM GMT
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    76coopers said
    Oh please. Most people who are sick don't go out of their way to give food to people. They stay at home and rest.
    Most people with a mental issue such as serial killing tendancies don't gather in a group in a public place in daylight with loads of witnesses... or choose food bourne illnesses as the methid of killing....
    And WTF... so people die of hunger or get food poisoning? i know what i'd prefer if i was starving!


    Typhoid Mary didn't think she was sick. ("Asymptomatic carrier")
    Most people don't have mental issues. It only takes one. (I'm not saying that a license would prevent that, but it sure makes keeping track of them easier.)
    People don't die of food poisoning? Are you kidding me? I know it's the 21st century, but:

    http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol5no5/mead.htmWe estimate that foodborne diseases cause approximately 76 million illnesses, 325,000 hospitalizations, and 5,000 deaths in the United States each year. Known pathogens account for an estimated 14 million illnesses, 60,000 hospitalizations, and 1,800 deaths. Three pathogens, Salmonella, Listeria, and Toxoplasma, are responsible for 1,500 deaths each year, more than 75% of those caused by known pathogens, while unknown agents account for the remaining 62 million illnesses, 265,000 hospitalizations, and 3,200 deaths. Overall, foodborne diseases appear to cause more illnesses but fewer deaths than previously estimated.


    yeah, but do you test every person who works in a restaurant for typhoid before they start their shift?

    mental issues? serial killers don't kill people by contaminating food... name one case!

    of course people die of food poisoning... but if i was starvingk, i'd sure as hell take the risk! hell, i eat in food courts or mcdonalds... food prepared by 15 yr olds... i AM taking a risk!
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    Jun 09, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidJust playing devil's advocate:
    What if the person(s) giving out food have a health issue? Ever heard of Typhoid Mary?
    What if the person(s) giving out food have a mental issue (e.g. serial killer) and wanted to spread a food-borne illness?
    Much more likely: what if, despite the good intentions of the people giving out food, they didn't store their food correctly or didn't recook the food properly?



    What if the person(s) giving out food have a health issue? Ever heard of Typhoid Mary?

    In ottawa, our FNB prepares food in a commercial kitchen that volunteers their space to us and is subject to regular health inspections. People everywhere have health issues. Should home cooks be called "food terrorists" as well if they have the sniffles when they hand out sliced watermelon (as in the video) to guests?


    What if the person(s) giving out food have a mental issue (e.g. serial killer) and wanted to spread a food-borne illness?

    I think maybe it's time we stop stigmatizing people with mental health issues as being "serial killers". This is a false equivalence and you are going to have to come up with a better criticism than that to try and discredit people who make vegetable soup out of leftover celery and carrots and give it out for free at a park. If you think it's an eyesore to look at poor people, you can just say so.

    Much more likely: what if, despite the good intentions of the people giving out food, they didn't store their food correctly or didn't recook the food properly?

    This is a legitimate concern, but I don't see why it's more of a concern here than any of the other foodservice operations that exist. As previously stated, we get regular health inspections so this generally isn't an issue. Furthermore our food is 100% vegan and usually comes from health food stores and vegan restaurants (you know, like, hippie places, maaaaan!) meaning that there's a significant reduction in food borne illness risks (no cross contamination with raw meat, etc).

    Furthermore, some of those who do FNB (including myself) have done food handler's courses just to up our credibility. But this doesn't mean we still don't get hassled by the cops ('cause it happens that the police don't like to look at the people they get hard off of harassing).
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    Jun 09, 2011 3:18 PM GMT
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    q1w2e3 saidJust playing devil's advocate:
    What if the person(s) giving out food have a health issue? Ever heard of Typhoid Mary?
    What if the person(s) giving out food have a mental issue (e.g. serial killer) and wanted to spread a food-borne illness?
    Much more likely: what if, despite the good intentions of the people giving out food, they didn't store their food correctly or didn't recook the food properly?



    What if the person(s) giving out food have a health issue? Ever heard of Typhoid Mary?

    In ottawa, our FNB prepares food in a commercial kitchen that volunteers their space to us and is subject to regular health inspections. People everywhere have health issues. Should home cooks be called "food terrorists" as well if they have the sniffles when they hand out sliced watermelon (as in the video) to guests?


    What if the person(s) giving out food have a mental issue (e.g. serial killer) and wanted to spread a food-borne illness?

    I think maybe it's time we stop stigmatizing people with mental health issues as being "serial killers". This is a false equivalence and you are going to have to come up with a better criticism than that to try and discredit people who make vegetable soup out of leftover celery and carrots and give it out for free at a park. If you think it's an eyesore to look at poor people, you can just say so.

    Much more likely: what if, despite the good intentions of the people giving out food, they didn't store their food correctly or didn't recook the food properly?

    This is a legitimate concern, but I don't see why it's more of a concern here than any of the other foodservice operations that exist. As previously stated, we get regular health inspections so this generally isn't an issue. Furthermore our food is 100% vegan and usually comes from health food stores and vegan restaurants (you know, like, hippie places, maaaaan!) meaning that there's a significant reduction in food borne illness risks (no cross contamination with raw meat, etc).

    Furthermore, some of those who do FNB (including myself) have done food handler's courses just to up our credibility. But this doesn't mean we still don't get hassled by the cops ('cause it happens that the police don't like to look at the people they get hard off of harassing).


    my points made exactly... but more eloquently... thank you!
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    Jun 09, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
    Downtown Orlando is a very peculiar place. I worked at the Orange County Library for a number of years, and it was the place for homeless people to keep cool during the day, when they were put out of the shelter. I dealt with them everyday.

    I would take a walk around Lake Eola park and see homeless people sleeping on the benches, lawns and in the bushes. One day I walked past a man sleeping on his back, mouth gaping open, rotten teeth and all. I left the park, where all the wealthy yuppies live and eat out. One restaurant had a long table on the sidewalk patio, heaped with half eaten food going to waste. It is literally one block away from where they are feeding these homeless people. It's an eye opener.

    But is you feel concerned enough to help, you can donate money into the homeless assistance meters:
    http://www.wesh.com/news/24993113/detail.html
    http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/30/2241945/orlando-installs-meters-for-donations.html
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    Jun 09, 2011 3:21 PM GMT
    I live in Orlando, and we hear about people getting arrested all the time for giving food to the needy all the time. Its a shame you can be arrested for helping someone.
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    Jun 09, 2011 3:31 PM GMT
    I wonder how many hungry and homeless people the cops drove past to get there.
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    Jun 09, 2011 3:34 PM GMT
    Give it time (without complaining) and I guarantee that within a few years, it'll be illegal to invite guests over for home cooked meals, because the govt didn't ok it.

    So much for free speech. I guess the constitution can be burned now, since it's apparently no longer valid.
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    Jun 09, 2011 3:37 PM GMT
    I also worked at one of the theme parks the summer after graduating high school. Every night, any food left on display at closing was thrown into an industrial sized garbage bag. Cakes, pastries, sandwiches, pies and fruits filled that bag every night. I understand why it's done, of course, but it is a shocking waste in a land of plenty.
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    Jun 09, 2011 3:45 PM GMT
    as i said previously. so groups like westborough can sprout (court sanctioned) hate speech under the guise of free speech, but you can't give away food to the homeless under the same laws?
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    Jun 09, 2011 4:53 PM GMT
    ^ right, but if this case gets to the SC, it's almost guaranteed that the "food terrorists" would win given the fact that the SC ruled NOBODY can sue or stop the Westbrow Baptist Church for their protests. What's the difference other than this being for the good.
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    Jun 09, 2011 5:02 PM GMT
    It´s an interesting dynamic - freedom of action and choice limited by government fiat claiming to "protect us". There was a similar thing recently with herbal medicine being banned in the EU after a sustained campaign by pharmaceutical companies "to protect our health" (ie remove their competition). Each herb has to be individually licensed now, something so massively expensive that it´s near impossible.


    Fucking cunts.
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    Jun 09, 2011 7:42 PM GMT
    Flmustang saidI live in Orlando, and we hear about people getting arrested all the time for giving food to the needy all the time. Its a shame you can be arrested for helping someone.


    It reminds me of the ZOO policy "please do not feed the animals Insert [homeless] here. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 09, 2011 8:56 PM GMT
    Apology (as in apologetics) from a Canadian "food Nazi":
    http://www.foodpoisonjournal.com/food-poisoning-watch/health-inspectors-not-heartless-bureaucratic-clones/
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    Jun 09, 2011 9:14 PM GMT
    people who are a part of food not bombs love letting everyone else in the world know they are a part of it. its a very self serving charity. you get scene points and get to hang out with homeless people. oooh edgy! despite that, i don't really have an issue with what they do. but other organizations also do it and dont need to have a fucking marching band pour out of a painted school bus that runs on vegetable oil (for real). in my experience living and working in boston for most of my life everytime there is some kind of event food not bombs makes the biggest scene. thats cool i guess. it just never really seems to me that their intentions are entirely noble. but thats just my outsider opinion.
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    Jun 09, 2011 9:21 PM GMT
    Interesting that in a Red state like Florida, where they scream about Constitutional freedoms, and the Teabaggers have such influence, they do things like this. I guess freedom is defined as THEIR freedom to discriminate and oppress, to the exclusion of anyone else's freedoms. Just so long as we understand what this "freedom" really is.