Republican Jon Huntsman on Gay Civil Unions:

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    Jun 10, 2011 1:18 AM GMT

    "I don’t worry about [how my support for civil unions will hurt me in the GOP primary] at all, because I am who I am. I have certain beliefs and I don’t hide from those. … It is what it is, and I’m not going to change it. I believe in traditional marriage but I think, subordinate to that, we’ve done an inadequate job in the area of equality and reciprocal beneficiary rights. Some people will hold that against me, like maybe other issues. But I think some people will say, ‘That sounds right to me. That sounds fair,'" - Jon Huntsman.

    Jon Huntsman is standing out in the Republican field with this position.

    From what I'm reading, Huntsman is running now to gain name recognition for the 2016 race. I think he's correctly betting that a pro-gay rights position will be essential by then----even in the Republican Party.
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    Jun 10, 2011 1:25 AM GMT
    Love my inclusive Republicans. Thanks for sharing this story.
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    Jun 10, 2011 1:41 AM GMT
    He just might be getting my vote. Lets see his foreign and domestic policy credentials. I want to know what actions he would like to see taken with issues like energy and infrastructure. How would he handle China with its arrogant military stance towards its neighbors and the United States and its currency manipulation? What would he do to strengthen cyber security? Would he support efforts to help open new markets in countries that have been looked over, like in the Caribbean, Southeastern Europe, Sub-Saharan Africa, and the Caucasus? How will he handle the corporate control over our political system? Would he support programs that would help reduce childhood obesity in America?
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    Jun 10, 2011 1:44 AM GMT
    This is very promising. I hope it heralds an era of non-evangelical Republicans.

    I can dream.
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    Jun 10, 2011 1:47 AM GMT
    I am hoping for the return of the Barry Goldwater type of Republicans that trust people with their wallets AND their zippers.
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    Jun 10, 2011 1:47 AM GMT
    Chattman91 saidHe just might be getting my vote. Lets see his foreign and domestic policy credentials. I want to know what actions he would like to see taken with issues like energy and infrastructure. How would he handle China with its arrogant military stance towards its neighbors and the United States and its currency manipulation? What would he do to strengthen cyber security? Would he support efforts to help open new markets in countries that have been looked over, like in the Caribbean, Southeastern Europe, Sub-Saharan Africa, and the Caucasus? How will he handle the corporate control over our political system? Would he support programs that would help reduce childhood obesity in America?


    This.

    And of course, I'd like to know if he will actually live up to any claims to work toward reducing spending and not having to raise taxes, instead of quibbling over the most insanely stupid social issues.
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    Jun 10, 2011 1:58 AM GMT
    Though I believe Huntsman IS preparing a 2012 run, not just trying to get name-recognition for 2016, regardless it is really awesome that he is taking this stance and, if nothing else, showing all the Republican candidates that standing up for the rights of gays does not necessarily mean that Republican voters will turn away from them -- in fact, they may be pleasantly surprised.
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    Jun 10, 2011 3:27 AM GMT

    I'm curious as to the date on that quote. If it is an older statement will he retract/modify to play to the base or stick to his guns? Even though it would take a near miracle to get me to vote Republican again, I admire Jon Huntsman. He answered the call to serve his country as ambassador to China with great dignity.
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    CuriousJockAZ saidThough I believe Huntsman IS preparing a 2012 run, not just trying to get name-recognition for 2016, regardless it is really awesome that he is taking this stance and, if nothing else, showing all the Republican candidates that standing up for the rights of gays does not necessarily mean that Republican voters will turn away from them -- in fact, they may be pleasantly surprised.


    Few republicans that I know of, and that's a very big bunch, give a crap about orientation. As I’ve said before, I get far more hate right here in a day than I’ve gotten in a lifetime of hanging with conservatives. So no, if Huntsman is with them on most other issues, his supporting queerness won’t make any difference to the majority of republicans. Huntsman was one of my two favorites, with Daniels being the other, so I hope he does make a run for it. I also could care less if he’s Mormon. In fact that makes me even more likely to support him.

    Of big name republicans, it's still Cheney who is the farthest to the left on gay marriage, but Huntsman is pretty close.
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    Jun 10, 2011 7:15 AM GMT
    OldGeezer said

    As I’ve said before, I get far more hate right here in a day than I’ve gotten in a lifetime of hanging with conservatives.



    +1
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    Jun 10, 2011 12:16 PM GMT
    Once more Republicans start embracing gay rights, as do many already, it will be harder for the very far left to shamelessly use gay issues to foist their economic views on the community, e.g. "If you don't support the Democrats, then you must support the Republicans, which means you are anti-gay."
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 10, 2011 12:22 PM GMT
    Am pleased that he spoke from what he truly believes and not what was politically correct. If he continues to take positions in that way, it will go a long way toward gaining my respect as a reasonable republican to support.
    Glad to hear.
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    Jun 10, 2011 12:24 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidOnce more Republicans start embracing gay rights, as do many already, it will be harder for the very far left to shamelessly use gay issues to foist their economic views on the community, e.g. "If you don't support the Democrats, then you must support the Republicans, which means you are anti-gay."



    I do neither Socal... I weight gay issues along with the rest of what I view as prudent for the country. Glad to hear the republicans are "embracing gay rights" as you contend... if true. We'll see won't we?
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    Jun 10, 2011 12:29 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    OldGeezer said

    As I’ve said before, I get far more hate right here in a day than I’ve gotten in a lifetime of hanging with conservatives.



    +1


    I've been stunned about the degree of nastiness and inappropriate forum conversation, including calling those with whom you disagree "names".
    I complained and am confident if certain "hate" is continued here through name calling, it will be without one of the instigators.
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    Jun 10, 2011 12:35 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    OldGeezer said

    As I’ve said before, I get far more hate right here in a day than I’ve gotten in a lifetime of hanging with conservatives.



    +1


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    Jun 10, 2011 12:36 PM GMT
    He certainly has the credentials and the purse to mount a strong campaign.

    Check out the following: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/06/07/237778/huntsman-social-conservatives-civil-unions/

    The site also included an audio clip of his quote on marriage equality.

  • GQjock

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    Jun 10, 2011 12:38 PM GMT
    If you think for one minute that John Huntsman would survive in ANY national republican election where gay men are hated and scapegoated on a regular basis
    There might be some questionable mushrooms in your refrigerator

    The republican party has become a repository for bigotry and hatred
    moderates need not apply

    Ain't that right Sarah?

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    Jun 10, 2011 1:23 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    OldGeezer said

    As I’ve said before, I get far more hate right here in a day than I’ve gotten in a lifetime of hanging with conservatives.



    +1


    I've been stunned about the degree of nastiness and inappropriate forum conversation, including calling those with whom you disagree "names".
    I complained and am confident if certain "hate" is continued here through name calling, it will be without one of the instigators.


    I came here just a few short months ago and one of the first things I noticed, when I didn't know anyone here, is how nice, polite and articulate the four or five conservatives are/were and then how nasty, hateful, hysterical, and intolerant the lefties were in response. Given that I ‘lived’ in Soviet Monica for 15 years I was hardly surprised.

    I tried for a while comporting myself just as the other conservatives did around here. I found out quickly that, well, being nice sure didn't work so I thought I would show you and others what your behavior looked like coming from the other direction. Did you like it? You didn’t? And as I've said once or so before - if you don't like it, then don't do it. It's really that simple. Something about the Golden Rule maybe?

    So if you want to run to mommy and complain to get me kicked out of here, please do. You’ll save me wasting about two hours a day of my time on here. Until then, if you lefties feel that you have literary license to be as nasty as you can be just because you’re 99% majority, I’ll be even nastier in response. And if you do complain to get me cancelled, I have many IP addresses and many computers so it would be impossible to ban me. Plus I will be happy to cross post a few threads from here in some truly right wing sites with a few hundred thousand really right wingers. Maybe I can get you a few thousand new members to even up the numbers a bit. So until then, take your hollier than thou attitude and shove it up your ass. You got that? Good. Now go cry to mommy that Geezer is being an old meany.
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    Jun 10, 2011 1:32 PM GMT
    GQjock saidIf you think for one minute that John Huntsman would survive in ANY national republican election where gay men are hated and scapegoated on a regular basis
    There might be some questionable mushrooms in your refrigerator

    The republican party has become a repository for bigotry and hatred
    moderates need not apply

    Ain't that right Sarah?

    You Betcha icon_wink.gif


    Yeah, who needs that when you can get your daily dose of bigotry and hatred right here from the left.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 10, 2011 1:33 PM GMT
    OldGeezer said
    So until then, take your hollier than thou attitude and shove it up your ass. You got that? Good. Now go cry to mommy that Geezer is being an old meany.


    You really should just be gone from this site, period.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 10, 2011 1:35 PM GMT
    GQjock saidIf you think for one minute that John Huntsman would survive in ANY national republican election where gay men are hated and scapegoated on a regular basis
    There might be some questionable mushrooms in your refrigerator

    The republican party has become a repository for bigotry and hatred
    moderates need not apply

    Ain't that right Sarah?

    You Betcha icon_wink.gif



    Clearly, some of you are just hopeless. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 10, 2011 1:53 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    OldGeezer said
    So until then, take your hollier than thou attitude and shove it up your ass. You got that? Good. Now go cry to mommy that Geezer is being an old meany.


    You really should just be gone from this site, period.


    Don't worry, honey, I'll have replacements
  • mke_bt

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    Jun 10, 2011 2:07 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    OldGeezer said
    So until then, take your hollier than thou attitude and shove it up your ass. You got that? Good. Now go cry to mommy that Geezer is being an old meany.


    You really should just be gone from this site, period.


    When one comes on here complaining about being victimized yet many times has referred to a certain city in California as "Soviet Monica" I think he loses all credibility.

    Now...back to a reasonable conversation about John Huntsman.
    I'm looking forward to hearing more from him especially his thoughts on the economy. It will be interesting to see how he relates to the working class as he is a man of great wealth. I just don't want to see him doing the bowling and beer thing during the campaign. That certainly wouldn't play as being genuine. Besides, being a member of the LDS he probably doesn't drink. That's the Speaker of the House's job, not the President's.
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    Jun 10, 2011 2:12 PM GMT
    GQjock saidIf you think for one minute that John Huntsman would survive in ANY national republican election where gay men are hated and scapegoated on a regular basis
    There might be some questionable mushrooms in your refrigerator

    The republican party has become a repository for bigotry and hatred
    moderates need not apply

    Ain't that right Sarah?

    You Betcha icon_wink.gif


    LOLZ I think she makes Regan roll in his grave.
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    Jun 10, 2011 2:12 PM GMT
    I'm confused about all the positivity posted here. I may be reading this wrong but the quote states:-

    I believe in traditional marriage but I think, subordinate to that, we’ve done an inadequate job in the area of equality and reciprocal beneficiary rights.

    Is this not a statement that gay relationships are less than straight relationships? That this candidate is willing to meet you half way, recognise gay relationships in some form, but as subordinate to straight marriage?

    Is it so bad in the US that you have come to applaud any movement and have given up on the just fight for full equality?

    As for the term traditional, quite frankly it's offensive. Gay relationships have existed for time immemorial and are just as 'traditional' as straight relationships.

    I don't doubt that this is a move away from the widely held conservative stance on this issue... but is it really enough?