Dalai Lama: "I'm a marxist"

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    Jun 10, 2011 2:34 PM GMT
    Oh Snap!
    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/Religion/post/2011/06/dalai-lama-china-marx-communism/1
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    Jun 10, 2011 3:20 PM GMT
    I my opinion he's never been that bright.
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    Jun 10, 2011 3:30 PM GMT
    Is that so surprising? O wait, I forgot, the US demonises all forms of socialist thinking icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 10, 2011 3:33 PM GMT
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    Greenhopper saidIs that so surprising? O wait, I forgot, the US demonises all forms of socialist thinking icon_rolleyes.gif



    Correct. Because IT DOESN'T WORK.


    O yes, history and economics have most certainly shown that... hear hear

    *drips with sarcasm*
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    Jun 10, 2011 3:50 PM GMT
    Greenhopper said
    southbeach1500 said
    Greenhopper saidIs that so surprising? O wait, I forgot, the US demonises all forms of socialist thinking icon_rolleyes.gif



    Correct. Because IT DOESN'T WORK.


    O yes, history and economics have most certainly shown that... hear hear

    *drips with sarcasm*


    Where has it worked? History and economics have shown repeatedly what a failure marxism is. The oddity is that marxists and socialists do not allow for the same level of analytical charity to capitalism - where there are really no economies that rely on free markets or defer to free markets.

    Yes, sure you could say that there's never been a perfect implementation of marxism or socialism - but it also can't be a coincidence that so many people of have been murdered in the name of the "greater good" in marxism and socialism. And yet, it is through the imperfect implementation of markets that have brought countless hundreds of millions and billions out of poverty. The greatest reduction of poverty in recent times after all is after China started implementing market reforms.

    Incidentally I wonder if you are familiar with the Dalai Lama and the association with the National Socialists of Germany. It's definitely not a proud history - further, Tibet's history itself is marked of feudalism and oppression supported by monks and the Dalai Lama - though I would be one of the last to suggest China's brand of marxism/communism/socialism has been much better.
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    Greenhopper said
    southbeach1500 said
    Greenhopper saidIs that so surprising? O wait, I forgot, the US demonises all forms of socialist thinking icon_rolleyes.gif



    Correct. Because IT DOESN'T WORK.


    O yes, history and economics have most certainly shown that... hear hear

    *drips with sarcasm*


    Where has it worked? History and economics have shown repeatedly what a failure marxism is. The oddity is that marxists and socialists do not allow for the same level of analytical charity to capitalism - where there are really no economies that rely on free markets or defer to free markets.

    Yes, sure you could say that there's never been a perfect implementation of marxism or socialism - but it also can't be a coincidence that so many people of have been murdered in the name of the "greater good" in marxism and socialism. And yet, it is through the imperfect implementation of markets that have brought countless hundreds of millions and billions out of poverty. The greatest reduction of poverty in recent times after all is after China started implementing market reforms.

    Incidentally I wonder if you are familiar with the Dalai Lama and the association with the National Socialists of Germany. It's definitely not a proud history - further, Tibet's history itself is marked of feudalism and oppression supported by monks and the Dalai Lama - though I would be one of the last to suggest China's brand of marxism/communism/socialism has been much better.


    Capitalism has killed just as many people as socialism and Marxism, if not more. And you're also conflating political movements with economics. You're engaging in correlation with no proof of causation. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Christian73 saidCapitalism has killed just as many people as socialism and Marxism, if not more. And you're also conflating political movements with economics. You're engaging in correlation with no proof of causation. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I call bullshit. You may choose to label dictatorships, feudalism and cronyism capitalism but that does not make it so. And as for correlation, we have only the words of Pol Pot, Mao, Lenin among many other luminaries of socialism/marxism/communism by which to go on. Economics and politics of socialism/marxism and communism are linked and unseverable.

    I can see however how this point however offends you.
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    Jun 10, 2011 4:42 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Greenhopper said
    southbeach1500 said
    Greenhopper saidIs that so surprising? O wait, I forgot, the US demonises all forms of socialist thinking icon_rolleyes.gif



    Correct. Because IT DOESN'T WORK.


    O yes, history and economics have most certainly shown that... hear hear

    *drips with sarcasm*


    Where has it worked? History and economics have shown repeatedly what a failure marxism is. The oddity is that marxists and socialists do not allow for the same level of analytical charity to capitalism - where there are really no economies that rely on free markets or defer to free markets.

    Yes, sure you could say that there's never been a perfect implementation of marxism or socialism - but it also can't be a coincidence that so many people of have been murdered in the name of the "greater good" in marxism and socialism. And yet, it is through the imperfect implementation of markets that have brought countless hundreds of millions and billions out of poverty. The greatest reduction of poverty in recent times after all is after China started implementing market reforms.

    Incidentally I wonder if you are familiar with the Dalai Lama and the association with the National Socialists of Germany. It's definitely not a proud history - further, Tibet's history itself is marked of feudalism and oppression supported by monks and the Dalai Lama - though I would be one of the last to suggest China's brand of marxism/communism/socialism has been much better.


    Capitalism has killed just as many people as socialism and Marxism, if not more. And you're also conflating political movements with economics. You're engaging in correlation with no proof of causation. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Greenhopper said
    southbeach1500 said
    Greenhopper saidIs that so surprising? O wait, I forgot, the US demonises all forms of socialist thinking icon_rolleyes.gif



    Correct. Because IT DOESN'T WORK.


    O yes, history and economics have most certainly shown that... hear hear

    *drips with sarcasm*


    Where has it worked? History and economics have shown repeatedly what a failure marxism is. The oddity is that marxists and socialists do not allow for the same level of analytical charity to capitalism - where there are really no economies that rely on free markets or defer to free markets.

    Yes, sure you could say that there's never been a perfect implementation of marxism or socialism - but it also can't be a coincidence that so many people of have been murdered in the name of the "greater good" in marxism and socialism. And yet, it is through the imperfect implementation of markets that have brought countless hundreds of millions and billions out of poverty. The greatest reduction of poverty in recent times after all is after China started implementing market reforms.

    Incidentally I wonder if you are familiar with the Dalai Lama and the association with the National Socialists of Germany. It's definitely not a proud history - further, Tibet's history itself is marked of feudalism and oppression supported by monks and the Dalai Lama - though I would be one of the last to suggest China's brand of marxism/communism/socialism has been much better.


    Capitalism has killed just as many people as socialism and Marxism, if not more. And you're also conflating political movements with economics. You're engaging in correlation with no proof of causation. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I would prefer for power to be shared among many competing factions than for one elite nucleus of individuals or one person to be deciding what they think is "good" for everyone else.

    We all know everyone has a different idea of what they think is "right" for the rest.
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    Christian73 saidCapitalism has killed just as many people as socialism and Marxism, if not more. And you're also conflating political movements with economics. You're engaging in correlation with no proof of causation. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I call bullshit. You may choose to label dictatorships, feudalism and cronyism capitalism but that does not make it so. And as for correlation, we have only the words of Pol Pot, Mao, Lenin among many other luminaries of socialism/marxism/communism by which to go on. Economics and politics of socialism/marxism and communism are linked and unseverable.

    I can see however how this point however offends you.


    Given that you know next to nothing about politics and political theory, which you ably demonstrate on thread after thread, you can call bullshit but I smell it.
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    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 saidCapitalism has killed just as many people as socialism and Marxism, if not more. And you're also conflating political movements with economics. You're engaging in correlation with no proof of causation. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I call bullshit. You may choose to label dictatorships, feudalism and cronyism capitalism but that does not make it so. And as for correlation, we have only the words of Pol Pot, Mao, Lenin among many other luminaries of socialism/marxism/communism by which to go on. Economics and politics of socialism/marxism and communism are linked and unseverable.

    I can see however how this point however offends you.


    Given that you know next to nothing about politics and political theory, which you ably demonstrate on thread after thread, you can call bullshit but I smell it.


    And yet, it becomes clear that what little I know, is far greater than you - particularly your rather novel ideas of wealth creation.
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    Jun 10, 2011 5:03 PM GMT
    What the heaven is this thread?!
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    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 saidCapitalism has killed just as many people as socialism and Marxism, if not more. And you're also conflating political movements with economics. You're engaging in correlation with no proof of causation. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I call bullshit. You may choose to label dictatorships, feudalism and cronyism capitalism but that does not make it so. And as for correlation, we have only the words of Pol Pot, Mao, Lenin among many other luminaries of socialism/marxism/communism by which to go on. Economics and politics of socialism/marxism and communism are linked and unseverable.

    I can see however how this point however offends you.


    Given that you know next to nothing about politics and political theory, which you ably demonstrate on thread after thread, you can call bullshit but I smell it.


    And yet, it becomes clear that what little I know, is far greater than you - particularly your rather novel ideas of wealth creation.


    That you believe in some unicorn called "wealth creation" makes your ignorance of political theory both more and less stunning.
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    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 saidCapitalism has killed just as many people as socialism and Marxism, if not more. And you're also conflating political movements with economics. You're engaging in correlation with no proof of causation. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I call bullshit. You may choose to label dictatorships, feudalism and cronyism capitalism but that does not make it so. And as for correlation, we have only the words of Pol Pot, Mao, Lenin among many other luminaries of socialism/marxism/communism by which to go on. Economics and politics of socialism/marxism and communism are linked and unseverable.

    I can see however how this point however offends you.


    Given that you know next to nothing about politics and political theory, which you ably demonstrate on thread after thread, you can call bullshit but I smell it.


    And yet, it becomes clear that what little I know, is far greater than you - particularly your rather novel ideas of wealth creation.


    That you believe in some unicorn called "wealth creation" makes your ignorance of political theory both more and less stunning.


    Which coming from you, isn't particularly remarkable given that your views on the matter have repeatedly shown not only to create a tremendous amount of misery but quite the opposite of wealth.
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    Jun 10, 2011 5:30 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 saidCapitalism has killed just as many people as socialism and Marxism, if not more. And you're also conflating political movements with economics. You're engaging in correlation with no proof of causation. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I call bullshit. You may choose to label dictatorships, feudalism and cronyism capitalism but that does not make it so. And as for correlation, we have only the words of Pol Pot, Mao, Lenin among many other luminaries of socialism/marxism/communism by which to go on. Economics and politics of socialism/marxism and communism are linked and unseverable.

    I can see however how this point however offends you.


    Given that you know next to nothing about politics and political theory, which you ably demonstrate on thread after thread, you can call bullshit but I smell it.


    And yet, it becomes clear that what little I know, is far greater than you - particularly your rather novel ideas of wealth creation.


    That you believe in some unicorn called "wealth creation" makes your ignorance of political theory both more and less stunning.


    Which coming from you, isn't particularly remarkable given that your views on the matter have repeatedly shown not only to create a tremendous amount of misery but quite the opposite of wealth.


    Not at all. People in Scandanavian countries are among the happiest in the world with all their crazy socialism.

    And, again, there's no such thing as "wealth creation." Entrepreneurs are not sprinkling wealth dust on cabbage and turning it into money.
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    Jun 10, 2011 5:51 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 saidCapitalism has killed just as many people as socialism and Marxism, if not more. And you're also conflating political movements with economics. You're engaging in correlation with no proof of causation. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I call bullshit. You may choose to label dictatorships, feudalism and cronyism capitalism but that does not make it so. And as for correlation, we have only the words of Pol Pot, Mao, Lenin among many other luminaries of socialism/marxism/communism by which to go on. Economics and politics of socialism/marxism and communism are linked and unseverable.

    I can see however how this point however offends you.


    Given that you know next to nothing about politics and political theory, which you ably demonstrate on thread after thread, you can call bullshit but I smell it.


    And yet, it becomes clear that what little I know, is far greater than you - particularly your rather novel ideas of wealth creation.


    That you believe in some unicorn called "wealth creation" makes your ignorance of political theory both more and less stunning.


    Which coming from you, isn't particularly remarkable given that your views on the matter have repeatedly shown not only to create a tremendous amount of misery but quite the opposite of wealth.


    Not at all. People in Scandanavian countries are among the happiest in the world with all their crazy socialism.

    And, again, there's no such thing as "wealth creation." Entrepreneurs are not sprinkling wealth dust on cabbage and turning it into money.


    Except for the fact that many of these Scandanavian countries have long histories of markets and trade - with many of them living off these histories if not having voted in more economically conservative governments. Wealth _is_ created - that you can't recognize that basic economic fact, it is little wonder are not only unsurprising but indicative of why the policies you call for create poverty and misery around the world.
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    Jun 10, 2011 6:00 PM GMT
    you do know marxism is not communism? marxism is actually considered a valuable theoretical lens in which many disciplines, particularly cultural studies, conduct their work? in fact i'd go so far to say that 90 percent of the people posting on this thread don't actually know what marxism is and how it's applied in theory today.
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    Jun 10, 2011 6:30 PM GMT
    Tibet's fucked... sorry. Whether the Dali Lama believes in Marxism, Fascism or Feudalism, China has flooded that bitch with so many Han Chinese that it will never recover...

    Poor china, with only 30 years of culture and history it has no idea what the fuck to do but manufacture shitty plastic things to sell in walmart... and ipads.
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    Jun 10, 2011 6:56 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 said
    riddler78 said
    Christian73 saidCapitalism has killed just as many people as socialism and Marxism, if not more. And you're also conflating political movements with economics. You're engaging in correlation with no proof of causation. icon_rolleyes.gif


    I call bullshit. You may choose to label dictatorships, feudalism and cronyism capitalism but that does not make it so. And as for correlation, we have only the words of Pol Pot, Mao, Lenin among many other luminaries of socialism/marxism/communism by which to go on. Economics and politics of socialism/marxism and communism are linked and unseverable.

    I can see however how this point however offends you.


    Given that you know next to nothing about politics and political theory, which you ably demonstrate on thread after thread, you can call bullshit but I smell it.


    And yet, it becomes clear that what little I know, is far greater than you - particularly your rather novel ideas of wealth creation.


    That you believe in some unicorn called "wealth creation" makes your ignorance of political theory both more and less stunning.


    Which coming from you, isn't particularly remarkable given that your views on the matter have repeatedly shown not only to create a tremendous amount of misery but quite the opposite of wealth.


    Not at all. People in Scandanavian countries are among the happiest in the world with all their crazy socialism.

    And, again, there's no such thing as "wealth creation." Entrepreneurs are not sprinkling wealth dust on cabbage and turning it into money.


    Except for the fact that many of these Scandanavian countries have long histories of markets and trade - with many of them living off these histories if not having voted in more economically conservative governments. Wealth _is_ created - that you can't recognize that basic economic fact, it is little wonder are not only unsurprising but indicative of why the policies you call for create poverty and misery around the world.


    You could also say "economically liberal governments" to mean economically conservative governments, but too many people would get mixed up.
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    calibro saidyou do know marxism is not communism? marxism is actually considered a valuable theoretical lens in which many disciplines, particularly cultural studies, conduct their work? in fact i'd go so far to say that 90 percent of the people posting on this thread don't actually know what marxism is and how it's applied in theory today.

    Bingo. Furthermore, the majority of Americans probably believe in Marxism, but they just don't know it.
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    calibro saidyou do know marxism is not communism? marxism is actually considered a valuable theoretical lens in which many disciplines, particularly cultural studies, conduct their work? in fact i'd go so far to say that 90 percent of the people posting on this thread don't actually know what marxism is and how it's applied in theory today.

    Bingo. Furthermore, the majority of Americans probably believe in Marxism, but they just don't know it.


    Most Marxists have no idea what Marxism is given that the debates over what it means are as puritanical as any religious sect.

    I doubt however more broadly on the principles that self styled Marxists agree on that most Americans would agree with. In principle perhaps but here's the rub - presented with similar charity, most Americans would likely also agree with capitalism/free market. What Marxists/communists/socialists would have you believe however is that what is practiced today is in fact pure capitalism/free markets. Of course, as countries abandon principles of the former, and move closer to the latter they do better economically.

    Good luck trying to sell egalitarianism over merit.
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    Jun 10, 2011 8:19 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Greenhopper saidIs that so surprising? O wait, I forgot, the US demonises all forms of socialist thinking icon_rolleyes.gif



    Correct. Because IT DOESN'T WORK.


    ...and forces participation, tyrannically !
    (so, what does all that effort have to do w/ "Liberty"? ...a question for the so-called "liberals" ...just sayin' )
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    southbeach1500 said
    Greenhopper saidIs that so surprising? O wait, I forgot, the US demonises all forms of socialist thinking icon_rolleyes.gif



    Correct. Because IT DOESN'T WORK.


    ...and forces participation, tyrannically !
    (so, what does all that effort have to do w/ "Liberty" ...a question for the so-called "liberals" ...just sayin' )


    They rely on a hope that the person who ends up running the show will make all of the "right" decisions for the people and with their best interest in mind.
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    Jun 10, 2011 8:28 PM GMT
    heybreaux saidWell I can agree with his statement {Mao} that "religion is poison"




    It certainly is; just like the "Religions' " of Social Marxism & Man-made Global Warming !

    "Poison" to Freedom AND Liberty !
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    Jun 10, 2011 8:31 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    wellwell said
    southbeach1500 said
    Greenhopper saidIs that so surprising? O wait, I forgot, the US demonises all forms of socialist thinking icon_rolleyes.gif



    Correct. Because IT DOESN'T WORK.


    ...and forces participation, tyrannically !
    (so, what does all that effort have to do w/ "Liberty" ...a question for the so-called "liberals" ...just sayin' )


    They rely on a hope that the person who ends up running the show will make all of the "right" decisions for the people and with their best interest in mind.


    ...FAT F*CKING CHANCE !!
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    kandsk said
    calibro saidyou do know marxism is not communism? marxism is actually considered a valuable theoretical lens in which many disciplines, particularly cultural studies, conduct their work? in fact i'd go so far to say that 90 percent of the people posting on this thread don't actually know what marxism is and how it's applied in theory today.

    Bingo. Furthermore, the majority of Americans probably believe in Marxism, but they just don't know it.


    Most Marxists have no idea what Marxism is given that the debates over what it means are as puritanical as any religious sect.

    I doubt however more broadly on the principles that self styled Marxists agree on that most Americans would agree with. In principle perhaps but here's the rub - presented with similar charity, most Americans would likely also agree with capitalism/free market. What Marxists/communists/socialists would have you believe however is that what is practiced today is in fact pure capitalism/free markets. Of course, as countries abandon principles of the former, and move closer to the latter they do better economically.

    Good luck trying to sell egalitarianism over merit.

    Omg, man. I didn't imply anything that you just wrote, nor did I even give you my stance. Thanks for telling me what your falsely dreamed up community of marxists/communists/socialists would have me believe. There's no use even saying which of your points I agreed with.