A question to Americans.

  • mizu5

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    Jun 10, 2011 8:33 PM GMT
    I am canadian. The legal dirnking age here is 19 in some provinces and 18 in others.

    I am aware it is 21 for you. When did it become 21, are any of you aware?( Don't tell me to google, I know when, I'm wondering if you do off the top of your heads).

    Also, are you aware that 21 is one of the oldest, if not the oldest, minimum age to drink in a country?

    I just find it peculiar, ebcause whenever I find americans visiting toronto or Vancouver, they always seemed SHOCKED that our dirnking age isn't 21.

    I've had guys/girls buy me a drink and wink conspiratorily as if illegal, though I am 20.

    SO how doyou feel about this drinking age?
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    Jun 10, 2011 8:41 PM GMT
    If I remember my history correctly, 21 was set as the legal drinking age under the National Minimum Drinking Age Act. I believe that was some time in the early '80s ('83? '84?).

    I know the US isn't the only country in the world with that high of a drinking age. Quite a few Muslim countries have their drinking age at 21 to foreigners and non-Muslims.

    The common argument to lower the drinking age is that if you're old enough to vote and serve (and possibly die) in the military, then you should be entitled to purchase alcohol.
  • mizu5

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    Jun 10, 2011 8:42 PM GMT
    Oh I know it's not the only one. It's merely among the highest.
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    Jun 10, 2011 8:43 PM GMT
    As far as I know (and please correct me if I'm wrong):

    I think that all except 1 or 2 states have a drinking age of 21 because it was an ear mark on the highway funding bill. It's from the late 70's I think (?).

    Which is why it's not going away anytime soon.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 10, 2011 8:56 PM GMT
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_Act

    I was off by one year and I did know that the effort was largely driven by M.A.D.D. (Mothers Against Drunk Driving)

    I think the reason why I'm really aware of this law and its history is because the year after it's enactment, our town endured a horrific 2-car drunk driving wreck that killed 6 high school students and left the only survivor a quadriplegic.
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    Jun 10, 2011 9:04 PM GMT
    Its 18 pretty much everywhere that I know of, and 16 for beer and cidre in much of Europe
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    Jun 10, 2011 9:05 PM GMT
    I got another question:

    Are u guys still paying for tethering?
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    Jun 10, 2011 9:10 PM GMT
    If I remember correctly, it was not all at once for the entire country. States changed after different times throughout the 80's. If I also remember quickly, there is no absolute requirement that every state has to be 21. The states will just get less financial help from the federal government for roads and law enforcement if they do not have the drinking age at 21.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 10, 2011 9:12 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidIf I remember correctly, it was not all at once for the entire country. States changed after different times throughout the 80's. If I also remember quickly, there is no absolute requirement that every state has to be 21. The states will just get less financial help from the federal government for roads and law enforcement if they do not have the drinking age at 21.


    Correct. The last state was in 1988 and the last territory, Guam, was last year. icon_eek.gif (they don't need no stinking roads) Actually, that's probably true until they realized they needed to support the massive military expansion going on in Guam since about '05/'06.
  • awm55

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    Jun 10, 2011 9:15 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidIf I remember correctly, it was not all at once for the entire country. States changed after different times throughout the 80's. If I also remember quickly, there is no absolute requirement that every state has to be 21. The states will just get less financial help from the federal government for roads and law enforcement if they do not have the drinking age at 21.


    yup
  • Timbales

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    Jun 10, 2011 9:21 PM GMT
    Iceblink saidIf I remember correctly, it was not all at once for the entire country. States changed after different times throughout the 80's. If I also remember quickly, there is no absolute requirement that every state has to be 21. The states will just get less financial help from the federal government for roads and law enforcement if they do not have the drinking age at 21.


    Yeah, my sister was born in October of 1966 and when she turned 18, she could drink legally until the first of the next year, then she couldn't until she turned 19, and the again that was only until the first of the next year when it finally went up to 21.
  • Import

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    Jun 10, 2011 9:29 PM GMT
    I started drinking around 16 or 17. I knew in Canada it was 19 for the most part, thought "wow, cool I guess" When I started university at 18, I got a fake ID and bought and drank all the booze i wanted, like most college kids do.

    Just because the drinking age is 21 doesn't mean people dont drink before then.
    I realize its one of the oldest d rinking ages, but growing up with it, it doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. I mean really? It's just booze. People drink, smoke, weed, do XTC, snort coke, whatever. People just do what they wanna do whether its legal or not.
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    Jun 10, 2011 9:29 PM GMT
    Timbales said
    Iceblink saidIf I remember correctly, it was not all at once for the entire country. States changed after different times throughout the 80's. If I also remember quickly, there is no absolute requirement that every state has to be 21. The states will just get less financial help from the federal government for roads and law enforcement if they do not have the drinking age at 21.


    Yeah, my sister was born in October of 1966 and when she turned 18, she could drink legally until the first of the next year, then she couldn't until she turned 19, and the again that was only until the first of the next year when it finally went up to 21.


    I was also born in 1966 and it had always been 21 here in Michigan from before the time I was 18. It was different back when I was 18 and went away to college. Back then there was much more casual enforcement in bars, clubs, and liquor stores. My friends and I just drank at bars and did not really hide it from anyone. As long as you were 18 you could pretty much get into any bar without a fake id. We also knew what liquor and beer stores didn't really check ids that closely.
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    Jun 10, 2011 9:32 PM GMT
    I was raised in CT. It was one of the last states to go 21. When I was 18, that was the drinking age.

    Thanks MADD for the 21 year old age limit.
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    Jun 10, 2011 9:46 PM GMT
    It's totally unfair, obviously. It was 21 when I was growing up, then in the late 1960's it was lowered to 18, as I recall because so many guys were being drafted to go to Vietnam and get killed without even being able to buy a beer.

    MADD is one of the worst nanny groups in our society. I've seen bumber stickers for DAMM (Drunks Against Mad Mothers) and I am often tempted to buy one.
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    Jun 10, 2011 9:46 PM GMT
    Is alcohol really that good?

    After the Vietnam War, the Hippies flooded Congress and the drinking age was lowered and this happened:
    Between 1970 and 1986, arrests for DUI increased nearly 223 percent, while the number of licensed drivers increased by 42 percent
    This is from the the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

    By 1983, most states had raised the age to 21 and this happened:
    The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration reported that the number of drunken drivers under age 21 involved in fatal crashes decreased by 61 percent from 1982 to 1998.

    However, about 40% alcohol-related car crashes involved drunk teens.
    This is why Congress should also ban alcohol advertisement like cigarettes and parents need to know blame and their responsibilities as parents.
    antelope said
    MADD is one of the worst nanny groups in our society. I've seen bumber stickers for DAMM (Drunks Against Mad Mothers) and I am often tempted to buy one.

    I hope you meant this in jest.
  • awm55

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    Jun 10, 2011 10:23 PM GMT
    antelope saidIt's totally unfair, obviously. It was 21 when I was growing up, then in the late 1960's it was lowered to 18, as I recall because so many guys were being drafted to go to Vietnam and get killed without even being able to buy a beer.

    MADD is one of the worst nanny groups in our society. I've seen bumber stickers for DAMM (Drunks Against Mad Mothers) and I am often tempted to buy one.


    Errrr, are you serious?
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    Jun 10, 2011 10:45 PM GMT
    I'm Canadian and began drinking at 19. When I was 21, I began university down in the united states. It blew my mind how crazy all the freshman and most older students were about alcohol. It seemed that making it forbidden until you turn 21 just makes it all the more desireable. Needless to say, a lot of crap happened because of it. In my experience, the 21 rule only kept people out of the bars, it never stopped anyone younger from drinking. Even the bars can't controll it, getting a fake ID is EASIER than getting a drivers license.
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    Jun 10, 2011 10:50 PM GMT
    Strictly speaking, these are not minimum ages for drinking alcohol. They are minimum ages for purchasing or being served alcoholic drink. The minimum age for drinking alcohol in a private place in the UK is just 5 years! The French are well known for giving their children wine (albeit diluted) at meal times.
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    Jun 10, 2011 10:53 PM GMT
    pursuits24 saidIt blew my mind how crazy all the freshman and most older students were about alcohol. It seemed that making it forbidden until you turn 21 just makes it all the more desireable. Needless to say, a lot of crap happened because of it.


    Yup. And I also think that teaching the young ones about responsibility helps as well. Parents, in general, would rather blame something/someone else rather than accept responsibility for their own action. Or at least that's been my experience.
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    Jun 10, 2011 11:23 PM GMT
    people make such a big deal out of the drinking age..
    its so annoying. everyone does it anyway, regardless of what the law is.

    and the law is set because alchohol effects the growth of our brains, until we reach the age of 21.

    i think people should get over it and just wait.

    all it does is cause accidents, deaths, health issues, addictions, and a huge hole in your pocket.
  • KissTheSky

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    Jun 10, 2011 11:33 PM GMT
    Parents should really teach their teenage children about drinking in the safe environment of their home. By that I mean teens who are 15-16-17 should be able to have one or two drinks with the family or their friends, so they learn how to drink responsibly and how different amounts of alcohol affect them.
    Instead, they pretend to their parents that they're never drinking, then the minute they go off to college, they go completely nuts and start binge drinking, end up falling off balconies, dying from alcohol poisoning, wrecking their cars, etc. It happens every year at every college campus.

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    Jun 10, 2011 11:36 PM GMT
    In my world, children 19-25 would not be allowed to consume alcohol.. but they must serve alcohol... shirtless.
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    Jun 10, 2011 11:36 PM GMT
    I've already been of the mindset that if you're old enough to die for your country (18 in the US) then you should be allowed to drink legally.
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    Jun 10, 2011 11:53 PM GMT
    SDGMAN saidIn my world, children 19-25 would not be allowed to consume alcohol.. but they must serve alcohol... shirtless.



    i wish there was a "like" button.. so i could give you a big thumbs up! hah