Pelosi Calls For Weiner To Step Down, As Does DNC Leader Debbie Wasserman Shultz. THIS JUST IN: Weiner To Check-In To Treatment Center

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jun 11, 2011 5:47 PM GMT
    Looks like Weiner's going down

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110611/ap_on_re_us/us_congressman_twitter_photo
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    Jun 11, 2011 5:58 PM GMT
    Wasserman, yes. But Pelosi? Do you have a recent link? The article I read yesterday had Pelosi stating that it was up to Weiner's constituents.
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    Jun 11, 2011 5:59 PM GMT
    In addition to these requests being appropriate given his conduct, he has also become a major distraction to the Democrats.

    Regarding RJ, the reactions are interesting and predictable. There have been at least a couple of RJ liberals who have stated their opinions that he should resign. Others, though, have continued to defend his remaining in office, stating that the twitter activities should be private and are, based on what we know now, not illegal. They did not seem to care that his conduct did not reflect well on the Congress. They also did not seem to care that his extremely aggressive and overt lying over a several day period should reflect on his suitability to remain in office. It provides further evidence that these RJ members have opinions and judgement that are extreme, and cast significant doubt on their positions on other political matters.
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    Jun 11, 2011 6:01 PM GMT
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/11/pelosi-israel-tell-weiner-he-should-resign/
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    Jun 11, 2011 6:04 PM GMT
    creature saidWasserman, yes. But Pelosi? Do you have a recent link? The article I read yesterday had Pelosi stating that it was up to Weiner's constituents.


    They all gave in to the pressure cooker that is called priggishness.
    Why can't they give it when it was theirs to give? (e.g. Vitter, Ensign, Craig)
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    Jun 11, 2011 6:05 PM GMT
    That's bull. Vitter gets a pass but not Weiner? Total hypocritical bull.
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    Jun 11, 2011 6:17 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidIn addition to these requests being appropriate given his conduct, he has also become a major distraction to the Democrats.

    Regarding RJ, the reactions are interesting and predictable. There have been at least a couple of RJ liberals who have stated their opinions that he should resign. Others, though, have continued to defend his remaining in office, stating that the twitter activities should be private and are, based on what we know now, not illegal. They did not seem to care that his conduct did not reflect well on the Congress. They also did not seem to care that his extremely aggressive and overt lying over a several day period should reflect on his suitability to remain in office. It provides further evidence that these RJ members have opinions and judgement that are extreme, and cast significant doubt on their positions on other political matters.


    Do you realize how many in Congress have committed actions that do not reflect well on Congress? Or how many have overtly lied? Not to say that this should be permissible, but let's be honest — you and a couple of others are really getting on Weiner's case because he's a Democrat.

    There have bee numerous threads where it was shown that Republicans did not reflect well on Congress, and that they overtly lied. Have their been numerous threads started by Southbeach, Riddler, et al. to ask for their resignation? No.

    If higher ideals were truly met, which would be a challenge on this site, and in the political arena, we would all be equally offended by misconduct, no matter the political affiliation.

    But that's not the case, is it? Don't think that RJ liberals haven't noticed that offensives carried out by Republicans politicians have either been ignored, not addressed, or casually swept under the rug by RJ's conservative members.

    I guess some RJ liberals have decided that two can play that game.
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    Jun 11, 2011 6:19 PM GMT
    I wish the Democrats were as tough on the Republicans as they are on themselves.

    I also wish the Republicans were as [sarcasm] tough [/sarcasm] on the Democrats as they are on themselves.
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    Jun 11, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    creature saidWasserman, yes. But Pelosi? Do you have a recent link? The article I read yesterday had Pelosi stating that it was up to Weiner's constituents.


    They all gave in to the pressure cooker that is called priggishness.
    Why can't they give it when it was theirs to give? (e.g. Vitter, Ensign, Craig)


    I have noticed, and mentioned this before, that liberals are more willing to eat their own, if the actions do not coincide will progressive ideas. It's supposed to reflect their high standards, which I support.

    However, that has become a weakness, if you can call it that, because it shakes and rocks the foundation since it's always moving. Ousting a liberal politician for misdeeds can open the door for a conservative to move into their territory.

    Conservatives are good at protecting their own. Mostly they're trying to remain solid, even with all the blemishes. This is why you will see them flip-flop on ideas when it comes to election time to appeal to their constituents. They back away from their views on global warming, or health care, or a woman's right for an abortion.
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    Jun 11, 2011 6:27 PM GMT
    creature saidDo you realize how many in Congress have committed actions that do not reflect well on Congress? Or how many have overtly lied? Not to say that this should be permissible, but let's be honest — you and a couple of others are really getting on Weiner's case because he's a Democrat.

    There have bee numerous threads where it was shown that Republicans did not reflect well on Congress, and that they overtly lied? Have their been numerous threads started by Southbeach, Riddler, et al. to ask for their resignation? No.

    If higher ideals were truly met, which would be a challenge on this site, and in the political arena, we would all be equally offended by misconduct, no matter the political affiliation.

    But that's not the case, is it? Don't think that RJ liberals haven't noticed that offensives carried out by Republicans politicians have either been ignored, not addressed, or casually swept under the rug by RJ's conservative members.

    I guess some RJ liberals have decided that two can play that game.

    1 - If you ever get pulled over for speeding, tell the officer you were not the only one speeding.
    2 - When Republicans get in trouble, enough RJ liberals start threads.
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    Jun 11, 2011 6:29 PM GMT
    Imprudent Twittering (not a crime) is called pathological while actual crimes by Republicans are called acts of human weakness.

    Ah, the power of the Bible as a weapon to knock your political opponent senseless.
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    Jun 11, 2011 6:37 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    creature saidDo you realize how many in Congress have committed actions that do not reflect well on Congress? Or how many have overtly lied? Not to say that this should be permissible, but let's be honest — you and a couple of others are really getting on Weiner's case because he's a Democrat.

    There have bee numerous threads where it was shown that Republicans did not reflect well on Congress, and that they overtly lied? Have their been numerous threads started by Southbeach, Riddler, et al. to ask for their resignation? No.

    If higher ideals were truly met, which would be a challenge on this site, and in the political arena, we would all be equally offended by misconduct, no matter the political affiliation.

    But that's not the case, is it? Don't think that RJ liberals haven't noticed that offensives carried out by Republicans politicians have either been ignored, not addressed, or casually swept under the rug by RJ's conservative members.

    I guess some RJ liberals have decided that two can play that game.

    1 - If you ever get pulled over for speeding, tell the officer you were not the only one speeding.
    2 - When Republicans get in trouble, enough RJ liberals start threads.


    I'm not sure what the first one references to.

    As for the second, even though the RJ liberals on this site start the threads when Republicans get into trouble, the RJ conservatives, as you claim about the RJ liberals in the Weiner threads, did not seem to care that his conduct did not reflect well on the Congress. They also did not seem to care that his extremely aggressive and overt lying

    So before you chastise the liberals on this site, maybe you should reflect on how you and the others have been behaving in the other threads regarding Republican misconduct.
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    Jun 11, 2011 7:00 PM GMT
    creature saidSo before you chastise the liberals on this site, maybe you should reflect on how you and the others have been behaving in the other threads regarding Republican misconduct.

    You would have to come up with examples, but my point here is specifically how there are two categories of liberals, the reasonable ones and the others.
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    Jun 11, 2011 7:01 PM GMT
    I think Weiners actions were tacky as hell, but not illegal. The religious right and fundamentalist Congressmen are showing us a lot of dispicable hypocrisy when they call for Weiner to step down but kept quiet over Vitter, Newt and Ensign.

    If we got rid of all who are not representative of high congressional ideals there would be very few left. None of this is new in our world, much less the world of Politics As for his lieing, "Don't ask me about my business and i'll tell you no lies"

    Even though I think Weiner made a Dick of himself and did weaken himself at least temporarily, he's done a good work and he can continue to. I think Republicans would love to have his voice of reason against their far right goals shut up for good. I just hope he can weather the storm. When you get right down to it, the pressure on him is only words (hot air) continuously repeated, this will pass.
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    Jun 11, 2011 7:04 PM GMT
    Personally, I couldn't care less if Weiner resigns. I do think he should, NOT because of the tweet scandal, but because of the way he handled it afterwards. His dishonesty and depths of which he was willing to go was astounding. Admittedly, I can understand why he went there, but it doesn't make it excusable. The timing was just all wrong this time around for a scandal to rear its ugly head with so many other pressing matters that the congress (and public) should be focused on.
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    Jun 11, 2011 7:05 PM GMT
    Proving, of course, that Democrats have better overall ethical standards than Republicans, despite a few aberrations among individual members (and far fewer than the Republican pigs).

    Where were the overwhelming calls for the resignation of David Vitter when he was caught in a prostitution ring, which is not only illegal, but also raises security concerns, considering the national security secrets any US Senator knows? Where are the calls for his resignation today?

    Where were the calls for a Republican Governor to resign, who had abandoned his post, under the cover of a public lie about taking an Appalachian Trail "hike," in order to spend a week in South America with his mistress, where he couldn't be contacted in case of an emergency? And hadn't alerted the Lt. Governor to his absence, to handle urgent matters in his place? In the US Army that's called going AWOL, for which you get sent to prison in Ft. Leavenworth.

    Plus he used official State funds to do so, as he had several times in the past? Only a Republican-dominated state legislature could have let him off the hook, where elsewhere he would have been removed from office and served time.

    I do think Weiner should resign. But that's because Democrats are more ethical than Republicans, who seldom resign, nor pressure their colleagues to resign, no matter what they're caught doing, as history has demonstrated.

    What I love most about this scandal is that it puts Senator Vitter back in the spotlight. Which of course no Republican robot here dares address, except to rationalize & excuse it, and try to change the subject.
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    Jun 11, 2011 7:14 PM GMT
    creature said
    So before you chastise the liberals on this site, maybe you should reflect on how you and the others have been behaving in the other threads regarding Republican misconduct.


    I can only speak for myself, but had this exact same thing happened to a Republican, I would have reacted pretty much in the same way. Again, it's not what the act was, it was the congressman's utterly dishonest and manipulative way of handling the situation -- his condescending tone, his blaming of others, his insults to reporters, his blatant story-telling concocting everything from his twitter account being hacked to his supposed hiring of investigators to look into this "so it never happens again". More than that, part of the problem with Weiner's demise is Weiner's past unlikability. His conduct on the floor of congress, while impressive at times due to his passionate delivery, did not exactly win him over any friends. Let this be a hard lesson to Weiner that his own actions are responsible for this, and people need to like you first IF they can be depended on to support you when you need it most.
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    Jun 11, 2011 7:23 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidProving, of course, that Democrats have better overall ethical standards than Republicans, despite a few aberrations among individual members (and far fewer than the Republican pigs).


    "a FEW aberrations among individual members" LOLOLOLOLOLOL. I almost spit my Lemonade across the room on that one. Nice try, Arty icon_wink.gif


    Art_Deco said
    Where were the overwhelming calls for the resignation of David Vitter when he was caught in a prostitution ring, which is not only illegal, but also raises security concerns, considering the national security secrets any US Senator knows? Where are the calls for his resignation today?

    Where were the calls for a Republican Governor to resign, who had abandoned his post, under the cover of a public lie about taking an Appalachian Trail "hike," in order to spend a week in South America with his mistress, where he couldn't be contacted in case of an emergency? And hadn't alerted the Lt. Governor to his absence, to handle urgent matters in his place? In the US Army that's called going AWOL, for which you get sent to prison in Ft. Leavenworth.

    Plus he used official State funds to do so, as he had several times in the past? Only a Republican-dominated state legislature could have let him off the hook, where elsewhere he would have been removed from office and served time.

    I do think Weiner should resign. But that's because Democrats are more ethical than Republicans, who seldom resign, nor pressure their colleagues to resign, no matter what they're caught doing, as history has demonstrated.

    What I love most about this scandal is that it puts Senator Vitter back in the spotlight. Which of course no Republican robot here dares address, except to rationalize & excuse it, and try to change the subject.


    Speaking of "changing the subject", isn't this EXACTLY what YOU are doing here --- deflecting to the misdeeds of Republicans past to somehow justify the actions of Democrats present? You're so predictable, Arty. Not a single conservative poster here has denied or tried to argue the fact that Vitters actions, Former SC Governor Mark Sanford, and other past transgressions of prominent Republicans were also disgraceful. But, let's be real, for every Republican misstep, there is an equally egregious Democratic one -- it happens. This tit for tat is just silly. What we're talking about now is Anthony Weiner -- June 2011 -- and it is what it is mostly because of Weiner --- and no one else should be blamed. For the most part, I think Republicans in Congress have been less vocal about not supporting Weiner than the Democrats have been. Now, I suppose you can wage the lame argument that "Democrats are more ethical", but I would guess that even your bridge buddies down there in Wilton Manor would roll their eyes at that one.
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    Jun 11, 2011 7:35 PM GMT
    "Not a single conservative poster here has denied or tried to argue the fact that Vitters actions, and other past transgressions of prominent Republicans were also disgraceful."

    But not a single conservative poster, either now or back in 2007, have called for the resignation of Vitter/Ensign, or denounced the wagon-closing that Republican lawmakers have done with regards to Vitters' and Ensign's actions. If you want Weiner to step down, where is the consistency of principle not to ask for the same with Vitter?

    To quote myself:
    "I also wish the Republicans were as [sarcasm] tough [/sarcasm] on the Democrats as they are on themselves. "
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    Jun 11, 2011 7:38 PM GMT
    Rep. Weiner will request a short leave of absence and is reportedly seeking treatment after top Democratic leaders called for his resignation following sexting scandal.

    Looks like a further attempt for him to hold on and try and make a comeback like Charlie Sheen and Robert Downey, Jr. Just go to treatment and all ok. The rehab might address his sexual desires, but I have never heard of rehab addressing fundamental character flaws, such as dishonesty.

    If he does stay in office, he will remain an embarrassment to the Democrats.
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    Jun 11, 2011 7:53 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    But not a single conservative poster, either now or back in 2007, have called for the resignation of Vitter/Ensign, or denounced the wagon-closing that Republican lawmakers have done with regards to Vitters' and Ensign's actions. If you want Weiner to step down, where is the consistency of principle not to ask for the same with Vitter?



    Really? You know this to be fact? Because I seriously doubt that back in 2007 that not a single conservative poster thought Vitter shouldn't step down. If Anthony Weiner were a Republican, I know I would be thinking he should step down. I have no doubt SoCal, SB, OneGeezer and others would as well. This suggestion that it is somehow different for Democrats than Republicans isn't really a fair argument. None of us here can help that Vitters stayed on, and I doubt any of us thought he should. His constituents didn't seem to mind that he did either since they re-elected him.
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    q1w2e3 said
    But not a single conservative poster, either now or back in 2007, have called for the resignation of Vitter/Ensign, or denounced the wagon-closing that Republican lawmakers have done with regards to Vitters' and Ensign's actions. If you want Weiner to step down, where is the consistency of principle not to ask for the same with Vitter?

    Really? You know this to be fact? Because I seriously doubt that back in 2007 that not a single conservative poster thought Vitter shouldn't step down. If Anthony Weiner were a Republican, I know I would be thinking he should step down. I have no doubt SoCal, SB, OneGeezer and others would as well. This suggestion that it is somehow different for Democrats than Republicans isn't really a fair argument. None of us here can help that Vitters stayed on, and I doubt any of us thought he should. His constituents didn't seem to mind that he did either since they re-elected him.

    What I was referring to was the messages of some of the more extreme liberals defending his actions including his lying. As far as some threads started by liberals when a conservative gets in trouble, non-participation in a thread does not constitute approval of the action. In fact, I will generally avoid a thread started by certain RJ members unless there happens to a point made by someone else that I care to comment on.
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    Jun 11, 2011 8:48 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    q1w2e3 said
    But not a single conservative poster, either now or back in 2007, have called for the resignation of Vitter/Ensign, or denounced the wagon-closing that Republican lawmakers have done with regards to Vitters' and Ensign's actions. If you want Weiner to step down, where is the consistency of principle not to ask for the same with Vitter?

    Really? You know this to be fact? Because I seriously doubt that back in 2007 that not a single conservative poster thought Vitter shouldn't step down. If Anthony Weiner were a Republican, I know I would be thinking he should step down. I have no doubt SoCal, SB, OneGeezer and others would as well. This suggestion that it is somehow different for Democrats than Republicans isn't really a fair argument. None of us here can help that Vitters stayed on, and I doubt any of us thought he should. His constituents didn't seem to mind that he did either since they re-elected him.

    What I was referring to was the messages of some of the more extreme liberals defending his actions including his lying. As far as some threads started by liberals when a conservative gets in trouble, non-participation in a thread does not constitute approval of the action. In fact, I will generally avoid a thread started by certain RJ members unless there happens to a point made by someone else that I care to comment on.


    I agree that non-participation in a thread does not constitute approval of the action. I don't think it's fair to make that judgment.

    But when someone does choose to participate in the thread, then it's telling how they feel. And I have witnessed several examples where CuriousJock or Southbeach would attempt to deflect the scandal by turning the attention to a Democrat or Democrats in general. That gives the impression of sweeping the Republican's problem under the rug.

    Socalfitness, you want me to cite examples of where RJ conservatives, such as CuriousJock, Southbeach, mocktwinkie, Riddler, or even yourself did not openly condemn a Republican who:

    1) Committed an action that does not reflect well on Congress
    2) Overtly lied

    There's quite a few examples, but I never saved the links. But if the people I named are really so concerned about a bad reflection on Congress and an overt liar, then from now on perhaps I will take notes of how you guys respond when a Republican is guilty of the two offenses.

    Let's see how much you care (that is if you guys are bold enough to participate in such threads from now on).
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    Jun 11, 2011 8:50 PM GMT
    Creature, by all means take notes. You might even learn something icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 11, 2011 9:03 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidCreature, by all means take notes. You might even learn something icon_wink.gif


    Aren't you precious. icon_biggrin.gif