Oh, for the love of carbs...

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    Jun 12, 2011 8:08 AM GMT
    Although I consider myself a relatively healthy eater, I seem to have an affinity towards carbohydrates. I like to cook at home, and hardly ever eat fast food, or candy. I get plenty of veggies, limit bad fats, and eat good fats (olive oil, nuts, etc.). I am starting a core focused exercise routine (see my other forum topic if you wanna check it out) and am making good progress physically.

    The question is... how do I cut the carbs? Ok, simple answer is "just cut the damn carbs!" I realize there is no way getting around that, so I was wondering if you had to limit/cut certain foods you enjoy frequently (candy, soda, etc.) and in semi-large quantities, how did you do it? Was there support from friends, any personal tricks to stay on track?

    I'd greatly appreciate your help!

    Thanks in advance.

    -Jon
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    Jun 12, 2011 9:07 AM GMT
    Why do you need to cut carbs? You look pretty lean already.

    But usually when people say cutting carbs, they mean the sugary and the starchy types.

    It's a struggle for me every single day. Every Single Damn Day.

    I went cold turkey for several months and did OK, and fell off the wagon for a couple of months, and am trying to get back on track right now. When I was on the program I still used stevia and erythritol for sweeteners (and malitol in the protein bars -- bad, I know), but for me the craving for sweets got easier as I go along. Starch is a different issue though, just because they're so prevalent and I eat out most of the time. icon_sad.gif

    For me I it's more about substitutions instead of cutting out -- I up more of the proteins and vegetables until I am full, then I feel less inclined to eat the "bad stuff". But it's still not easy.

    Just like any other diets, having support of friends & family is a huge bonus if not crucial... Also helpful if you don't work around bad foods like I do!
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    Jun 12, 2011 9:29 AM GMT
    first drop simple carbs, and habitual carbs (ie ones you consume out of habit, and not because you specifically enjoy or need them). candy, too much fruit, soft drinks etc are your first line to go. You can bring back in fruit as a treat.

    Next step is to drop whites, then lower portion sizes. Not actually too hard.
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    Jun 12, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
    Cutting the carbs doesn't mean eliminating them altogether. I give myself 2 days a week to eat unhealthy carbs (sugary, sweet, white flour etc). Start with eating only one serving of bad carbs only once per day (before 1pm only). Then reduce to only one serving, every other day. Then reduce the number of days each week.

    As for the cravings, drink a glass of water and then eat a handful of edamame, or a peach or plum or a few grapes to get you through to your next meal. Also, if I brush my teeth right after eating, I am not hungry for several hours.
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    Jun 12, 2011 3:21 PM GMT
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    Jun 12, 2011 8:18 PM GMT
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    Love the pic! lol...

    Thanks for the advice and support everyone! I will incorporate into my eating routine. I love the edamame trick (I think I remember that from a book by Dr. Oz)... Also I will cut out the simple carbs I eat out of habit, and try to get support from friends.

    Here goes day 1!

    Thanks again, real jockers!

    -Jon
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    Jun 12, 2011 8:23 PM GMT
    I eat way to many carbs. I need SOO much help with my diet. I need to lose this fucking gut. Of course I say that as I am getting dressed to go to the beer bust. DAMN MY WEAKNESS!
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    Jun 12, 2011 8:27 PM GMT
    I saw a significant change when I simply LOWERED the amount of carbs I eat.

    I eat a ton of Asian food... which, as you know, usually comes with rice on the side, or noodles, etc.

    Rice dishes I simply take half of the rice and leave the otehr half in the little container. Noodle dishes are now a treat, or ... I simply cut myself off after a certain period.

    No one says you cannot eat foods you like, unless you have crazy fitness goals that truly require a 'special' diet.... wherein you eat nothing but lean meats and veggies.... and you weigh it all out... blah

    I call that the flavorless diet. Food is meant to be enjoyed.

    The KEY is moderation.
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    Jun 12, 2011 8:37 PM GMT
    EDIT: I should say that take this to heart if you're really thinking about cutting carbs out entirely. It's not the only way to lose weight. Low fat diets work, moderate carb diets work. Clean diets work, find something that suits your tastes.

    I've been going through a ketogenic for a few months now and it's definitely worked great for me. Some tips I can give if you're going to cut carbs (though I don't think you need to)...

    First of all, stick with it. The first two weeks are gonna suck, and boy will they suck. You're gonna start feeling tired, you're gonna crave carbs at every stop, but STICK WITH IT. The most key part of going low carb is the first couple of weeks it takes your body to adjust to it. Once it passes and your body enters into a low carb state aka ketosis, you'll lose the cravings, get your energy back, and things will be fine.

    Once you hit that point you get a bit more freedom in how you do things. You can start allowing yourself a carb cheat every now and again to settle cravings, or be a reward. It makes you just feel a little easier and gives you something to look forward to.

    Also if you're into candy, find a sugar free gum and chew them sparingly to give you that sweetness kick. Yeah i said sparingly, they may be "sugar free" but they still have carbs in them, and too much gum will ruin your diet. Another trick is peanut butter, works great if you're craving something creaming/crunchy and somewhat sweet. But be pretty strict about how much you eat, it's even worse as far as carbs go.

    Best thing I can suggest though, is spice up your foods. Don't eat the same meats every day. Make something different, It keeps things fresh.

    Ugh my posts are always so fucking long. I'm so wordy. Anyway

    STICK WITH IT

    If you cheat, fuck it, you cheated. Keep living life as normal. Just don't make it a habit.
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    Jun 12, 2011 8:40 PM GMT
    Spiritreaver saidEDIT: I should say that take this to heart if you're really thinking about cutting carbs out entirely. It's not the only way to lose weight. Low fat diets work, moderate carb diets work. Clean diets work, find something that suits your tastes.

    I've been going through a ketogenic for a few months now and it's definitely worked great for me. Some tips I can give if you're going to cut carbs (though I don't think you need to)...

    First of all, stick with it. The first two weeks are gonna suck, and boy will they suck. You're gonna start feeling tired, you're gonna crave carbs at every stop, but STICK WITH IT. The most key part of going low carb is the first couple of weeks it takes your body to adjust to it. Once it passes and your body enters into a low carb state aka ketosis, you'll lose the cravings, get your energy back, and things will be fine.

    Once you hit that point you get a bit more freedom in how you do things. You can start allowing yourself a carb cheat every now and again to settle cravings, or be a reward. It makes you just feel a little easier and gives you something to look forward to.

    Also if you're into candy, find a sugar free gum and chew them sparingly to give you that sweetness kick. Yeah i said sparingly, they may be "sugar free" but they still have carbs in them, and too much gum will ruin your diet. Another trick is peanut butter, works great if you're craving something creaming/crunchy and somewhat sweet. But be pretty strict about how much you eat, it's even worse as far as carbs go.

    Best thing I can suggest though, is spice up your foods. Don't eat the same meats every day. Make something different, It keeps things fresh.

    Ugh my posts are always so fucking long. I'm so wordy. Anyway

    STICK WITH IT

    If you cheat, fuck it, you cheated. Keep living life as normal. Just don't make it a habit.


    I seriously need to at least try half of this. I am amazed at the amount of carbs I eat in one. day.
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    Jun 13, 2011 3:10 AM GMT
    Spiritreaver saidEDIT: I should say that take this to heart if you're really thinking about cutting carbs out entirely. It's not the only way to lose weight. Low fat diets work, moderate carb diets work. Clean diets work, find something that suits your tastes.

    I've been going through a ketogenic for a few months now and it's definitely worked great for me. Some tips I can give if you're going to cut carbs (though I don't think you need to)...

    First of all, stick with it. The first two weeks are gonna suck, and boy will they suck. You're gonna start feeling tired, you're gonna crave carbs at every stop, but STICK WITH IT. The most key part of going low carb is the first couple of weeks it takes your body to adjust to it. Once it passes and your body enters into a low carb state aka ketosis, you'll lose the cravings, get your energy back, and things will be fine.

    Once you hit that point you get a bit more freedom in how you do things. You can start allowing yourself a carb cheat every now and again to settle cravings, or be a reward. It makes you just feel a little easier and gives you something to look forward to.

    Also if you're into candy, find a sugar free gum and chew them sparingly to give you that sweetness kick. Yeah i said sparingly, they may be "sugar free" but they still have carbs in them, and too much gum will ruin your diet. Another trick is peanut butter, works great if you're craving something creaming/crunchy and somewhat sweet. But be pretty strict about how much you eat, it's even worse as far as carbs go.

    Best thing I can suggest though, is spice up your foods. Don't eat the same meats every day. Make something different, It keeps things fresh.

    Ugh my posts are always so fucking long. I'm so wordy. Anyway

    STICK WITH IT

    If you cheat, fuck it, you cheated. Keep living life as normal. Just don't make it a habit.


    Thanks for the great tips here! You are so right on... I go through these periods where I'm good on carbs, but then start to really crave them all the time! It would be nice to have energy and a good diet, but, as you said, this requires going through some carb lowering (for more than a couple days... lol).

    I want to do this right, so I'm gonna set those two weeks up starting later this week (so I can build up my recipe base, with variety.) I'm a bit pensive at the prospect of breaking up with Mr. Pasta, but it's been way overdue.

    Thanks again Spirit.

    -Jon
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    Jun 13, 2011 3:18 AM GMT
    It's been said previously, but with carbs:

    1) eliminate highly refined sugar/carbs
    2) reduce portions of everything else

    For 1), that means no pop, no candy, even cutting out sugar in your coffee/tea. It means going whole wheat/grains over "white" carbs. Side benefit is that this helps even out your blood sugar/metabolism/appetite.

    For 2), it means eating half of the rice in the chinese takeout box. Half the plate of pasta. Etc, etc. Side benefit is that this helps drop your calorie intake.

    Another tip... eat the majority of your carbs earlier in the day. I have maybe one spoonful of rice at dinner (being Asian, that ain't easy). But I'm fine with my 2 slices of whole wheat bread for breakfast.

    Hope that helps!

  • Jun 13, 2011 3:24 AM GMT
    Read Why we Get Fat and What to do about it. by Gary Taubes it will cure all your carb questions and make you a believer. Cut all carbs possible. Period. Insulin makes you fat. Carbs stimulate insulin. We weren't made genetically to deal with all the carbs. Hence all the diabetic epidemic. Cut all the potatoes, bread, pasta, sugars, etc. eat more meat and fish. Period, this is science not fad. You will see this becoming normal in the next 5 years. Do it now.
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    Jun 13, 2011 3:36 AM GMT
    Joseph_Anam_Cara saidRead Why we Get Fat and What to do about it. by Gary Taubes it will cure all your carb questions and make you a believer. Cut all carbs possible. Period. Insulin makes you fat. Carbs stimulate insulin. We weren't made genetically to deal with all the carbs. Hence all the diabetic epidemic. Cut all the potatoes, bread, pasta, sugars, etc. eat more meat and fish. Period, this is science not fad. You will see this becoming normal in the next 5 years. Do it now.


    I'm sorry, but saying the above and claiming it is science is inaccurate. We are definitely genetically made to deal with carbs. Otherwise, we wouldn't have all the digestive enzymes to deal with carbs. We wouldn't have the hormones (eg insulin) to deal with carbs. We wouldn't be able to taste carbs (ie we wouldn't know what "sweet" tastes like).

    Insulin does not make you fat. Insulin is the hormone that the body uses to process carbs. Too many carbs, and the body will store them into fat. What makes you fat is taking in more calories than you use. That includes calories from carbs, fats and proteins.

    Cutting out all carbs is a shortcut. It gets you results quickly, but it is not a healthy long-term solution.
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    Jun 13, 2011 3:41 AM GMT
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    Jun 13, 2011 3:41 AM GMT
    Taking a step back from most of the above, try some of the basics.

    Learn what carbs are. for a few days, or a week, look up the food value of everything you eat. One that fooled me at the beginning was milk.

    Then try to figure out which are the lower carb foods (cabbage, broccoli) and which ae higher (carrots, rice.)

    Learn about fiber and its relation to how carbs are handled.

    Learn to drink water. There are so many carbs in what is available to drink in a convenience store! Avoid juice. Then you end up with water, black coffee, and unsweetened iced tea. Don't get into the artificial sweeteners. They just fool you into wanting more sweet.

    Read labels. How many servings are you really eating?

    After you feel comfortable with this stuff, go on to the things listed above here. Knowledge is power.
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    Jun 13, 2011 8:05 AM GMT
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    Jun 13, 2011 3:37 PM GMT
    The whole low carb thing baffles me, I don't really see the benefit in cutting out whole grains, fruits, vegetables and legumes from your diet and living on meat, eggs and peanut butter. Is it just that it's gotten mixed up in other messages, like not eating white bread or refined sugar (which is a good idea) and somehow it gets muddied up and the message is then that all carbs are evil?
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    Jun 18, 2011 6:04 AM GMT
    russnipp saidThe whole low carb thing baffles me, I don't really see the benefit in cutting out whole grains, fruits, vegetables and legumes from your diet and living on meat, eggs and peanut butter. Is it just that it's gotten mixed up in other messages, like not eating white bread or refined sugar (which is a good idea) and somehow it gets muddied up and the message is then that all carbs are evil?


    nobody's cutting natural carbs when they cut carbs. Natural carbs in fruits and veges are almost always have fiber with them aswell which counters it for the most part. You can't get fat on vegetables but you can get fat on processed carbs such as bread, dough, pasta, beer, etc.
  • Spiritreaver

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    Jun 18, 2011 6:19 AM GMT
    Carbs aren't evil. Low carb diets are just another way of doing things, they're often easier to manage, undergo faster results (for some people) and are often muscle sparing as you lose weight.

    There's no ultimate diet. Some things work better for others, and not at all for another.
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    Jun 18, 2011 6:21 AM GMT
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    Jun 18, 2011 6:25 AM GMT
    Speaking of carbs, tomorrow I'm going to refeed. I normally have a pizza, but I'm thinking of going on a sugar fest. My mom just bought me some pumpkin chocolate chip cookies.
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    Jun 18, 2011 6:32 AM GMT
    I stoped eating soda (dont miss it at all)
    I stoped eating pasta (never really had a thing for it anyway)
    But for fuck's sake, breads! I love bread more than I love dick icon_sad.gif