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  • Apr 15, 2008 3:03 AM GMT
    Do any of you guys supplement your levels of testosterone? What have been your experiences and what have you used? Next time I see the doc I'm going to ask about it but I wanted to get some advice from guys that have upped their testosterone levels first hand.
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    Apr 15, 2008 3:14 AM GMT
    are you out of your ever loving mind??? dont be fuking with your hormones. Unless you have a hypotestosterone MEDICAL condition, dont be messin' with your testosterone.
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    Apr 15, 2008 3:31 AM GMT
    Caslon saidare you out of your ever loving mind??? dont be fuking with your hormones. Unless you have a hypotestosterone MEDICAL condition, dont be messin' with your testosterone.


    Actually, Caslon, the medical term is "hypogonadism"
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    Apr 15, 2008 3:33 AM GMT
    Whatever!

    Go play on Freerice.com
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    Apr 15, 2008 3:37 AM GMT
    You're 20, with a full head of hair, growing a beard three inches below your prominent brow ridge and you're asking about testosterone?

    The testosterone will give you a lean muscle edge once you increase your dosage. You'll have to manage that by cycling, since your body will automatically metabolize the hormone to achieve a balance closer to your body's average testosterone level by converting the testosterone to a form of estrogen.

    The side-effects are numerous. A source, with a balanced discussion, is here: http://ezinearticles.com/?Testosterone-Side-Effects&id=353760

  • Apr 15, 2008 3:48 AM GMT
    thanks Mickey!

    I should probably tell everyone I'm not planning on going T crazy or anything. Just wondering if a small boost would be okay for me.
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    Apr 15, 2008 3:54 AM GMT
    checkthefridge saidthanks Mickey!

    I should probably tell everyone I'm not planning on going T crazy or anything. Just wondering if a small boost would be okay for me.


    Have you recently had blood work done? If so, did the doc mention anything about you having a supressed blood testosterone levels?

    Like everyone has said already: Be very careful when messing with hormones. Too high a concentration of one hormone can very easily suppress the production of another...endocrine functions are no joke!

    best of luck to ya
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    Apr 15, 2008 3:56 AM GMT
    checkthefridge saidthanks Mickey!

    I should probably tell everyone I'm not planning on going T crazy or anything. Just wondering if a small boost would be okay for me.

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    Apr 15, 2008 4:11 AM GMT
    Wow, a discussion on testosterone? Someone's kind and thoughtful input seems to be missing from this thread.icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 15, 2008 4:30 AM GMT
    Caslon saidWhatever!

    Go play on Freerice.com


    If you are going to play expert on something, get your terminology right. It's a simple thing to to at your age.
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    Apr 15, 2008 4:31 AM GMT
    well tecnicley ( wow i cant spell)

    if you get regularly made hormones though artificial sources, you body recognizes that your getting your hormones from outside sources, and thus shuts down hormone production... so the place where your testosterone is made will shut down.

    aka your balls shrink.



    damn biology....
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    Apr 15, 2008 4:36 AM GMT
    Why do you need it in the first place?
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    Apr 15, 2008 4:44 AM GMT
    checkthefridge saidDo any of you guys supplement your levels of testosterone? What have been your experiences and what have you used? Next time I see the doc I'm going to ask about it but I wanted to get some advice from guys that have upped their testosterone levels first hand.


    When you get your blood work, ask him for your total testosterone, free test (if the lab does it), LH (leutinizing hormone), and FSH (follicle stimulating hormone). All of those hormones are essential in your testosterone production, and you should have those checked regularly. Normal testosterone levels can be between 250-1000 ng/ml, an LH should be no lower than 2 (possibly 2.4..I don't have a chart in front of me).

    You can have low test and normal LH level, and vice versa, and be considered to have hypogonadism. So depending on your doctor's experience with endocrinology, he or she may determine you need supplemental test or, if your LH is low, stimulation of that hormone.

    If your lab does it, and your doc orders it, you can also request your estradiol (estrogren) levels. Those should be low.
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    Apr 15, 2008 4:44 AM GMT
    Bro,

    Seriously take what most of these guys have said to heart. At 20 yrs old your testosterone is through the rough and rising naturally until about 25 years old. Guys can even continue to grow until about that age. The big problem with hitting the testosterone now is that it can end up permanently hosing your bodies own natural chemical balance. At your age, unless there is a serious medical illness you can get the results of a 40 yr steroid user through careful diet and relentless training. For your own sake don't fu*k up your bodies natural balance at this point, let your testosterone continue to rise naturally.

    By the way most supplements that boost testosterone have big time side effects. I tried one at one point and I could hardly sleep even with sleeping pills for about 3 weeks. Not fun, not healthy! Not worth it bro.
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    Apr 15, 2008 6:06 AM GMT
    Caslon saidare you out of your ever loving mind??? dont be fuking with your hormones. Unless you have a hypotestosterone MEDICAL condition, dont be messin' with your testosterone.


    Down boy...be nice now.
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    Apr 15, 2008 6:15 AM GMT
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    What the hell am I? A potted plant ... icon_eek.gif

    I see you as an azalea.
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    Apr 15, 2008 10:43 AM GMT
    a word of advice about taking hormones

    ...be Very careful

    do most guys have any trouble?
    probably not but hormones esp sex hormones have a way of messing things up sometimes
    make sure that you test your level before taking them

    the human body is very lazy when it comes to synthesizing hormones and it monitors levels all the time

    if it senses that you're Testosterone levels are too high it'll say "whew" okay that job's done
    and stop making it
    so you'll see a huge drop off after you take it and finish your cycle

    at your age why play with matches
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    Apr 15, 2008 11:57 AM GMT
    Work hard for your muscles. Where's the accomplishment if you take extra testosterone? You may as well get implants. You'll look just as ridiculous.
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    Apr 15, 2008 12:19 PM GMT
    I should also mention that should you desire to ignore the advice given here and do this anyway, you should damn well know very, very well what you are doing. Knowing what you are doing is not comprised of listening to the local meathead on roids at the gym.

    For one thing a very common side effect of administering extra testosterone is that body converts part of it to estrogen and you end up with gynecomastia (in bodybuilder terminology bitch tits). There are enzymes in your body that try to keep things in balance and those enzymes easily convert testosterone to estrogen.

    Before you would even dream of touching the testosterone you should know what to take if you start feeling painful or puffy nipples, you should know how to take it, and you should have it on hand to start immediately. Often times if gyno is left go for too long the only way to get rid of it is through surgery.

    Also anytime your body senses more testosterone then usual it will negatively effect your HPTA (Hypothalmic, Pituitary-gonadal axis) which is a system of several glands in the brain and body that control several major hormones. So if you play with the testosterone you should have a big bank account for things HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) and other real nice injections you will need to restart your HPTA glands, because they will have shut down with the excess testosterone.

    Rather then just giving you the lecture about the risks, I thought you should know a few things about why its risky and the huge expense in having a multitude of additional drugs on hand to deal with the side effects. Incidentally most of the drugs have pretty significant side effects themselves. Playing with your bodies natural hormone balance is not a fools errand. Be careful and make sure you know what the hell you're doing should you decide to not heed the advice here. I just can't picture you as a bald C cup.

    Good luck bro.

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    Apr 15, 2008 1:12 PM GMT
    eb925guy said[quote][cite]Caslon said[/cite]are you out of your ever loving mind??? dont be fuking with your hormones. Unless you have a hypotestosterone MEDICAL condition, dont be messin' with your testosterone.

    Down boy...be nice now.


    I was being nice...the nicest one could be...trying to get someone not to make a big mistake.

    Since I have had my testosterone fiddled with...albeit in the opposite direction....I know how fucked up a person can get.

    Just leave it alone....if it aint broke, dont fix it.
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    Apr 15, 2008 1:28 PM GMT
    I will share my testosterone story.

    Chapter 1, I lost my left testicle to acute scrotal avulsion (read having it ripped off of my body mechanically) in an automobile accident when I was 15 years old.

    Chapter 2, The treatment I received as the dependent of a retired military officer, was good for the trauma and non-existent for the management of hormonal (or any other consequences).

    Chapter 3. This f--ked me up emotionally and hormonally. I didn't even talk about until I was twenty, was convinced I was a monster and no one would ever look at me, and so on. I eventually got into therapy and the therapist got me to an endocrinologist.

    Chapter 4, They diagnosed hypogonadism and put me on testosterone supplements (injections of testosterone cypionate).

    Chapter 5, That worked, my weight normalized, I had good energy, and I started going to the gym.

    Chapter 6, I am American, and Texan so I thought if a little is good then a lot is better.

    Chapter 7, I never took a "lot" by the standards of bodybuilding but for my body it was probably too much.

    Chapter 8, moved to Europe and the docs said, "we don't supplement testosterone period, it is against the law".

    Chapter 9, cold turkey, weight soars from 85kg to 130kg in about 2 years.

    Chapter 10, scrotal abscess (ironic huh) nearly kills me (maybe within minutes of sepcis) and the resulting bloodwork shows my blood glucose at 330, tryglicerides at 670, and so on.

    Chapter 11, F--k, F--k, F--k, F--k, F--k, F--k,

    Chapter 12, Radical change of lifestyle, slow work on everything surrounding, still no testosterone (because they still won't do it), but they do put together a thorough medication regime.

    Chapter 13, Bloodwork normal again, testosterone low normal (naturally).

    Chapter 14, Two years of unbelievable hard work and weight goes from 130kg back to 85 (as it is now).

    Chapter 15, I am 44 and have already had all of these problems so I know I have to manage well or die.

    Conclusion.

    We are hormones. When you f--k with your hormones, even under precise medical supervision, the result is unpredictable. This is tantamount to f--king with who we are.

    No one had better medical reasons than I did for testosterone augmentation. It still wasn't worth it.

    Good luck
    Terry

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    Apr 15, 2008 1:29 PM GMT
    LatinMuscleSF said[quote][cite]Caslon said[/cite]Whatever!

    Go play on Freerice.com


    If you are going to play expert on something, get your terminology right. It's a simple thing to to at your age.[/quote]

    hypotestostone is the more exact word for this discussion. Maybe when you get to my age, you will have learned the word.
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    Apr 15, 2008 1:46 PM GMT
    you won't be the only dude who has ever tried juicing. half the guys at the gym who have bodies you drool over have tried it. most fitness models do it...whatever..one cycle isn't going to kill you.

    the problem is, you won't be happy with one cycle. you'll see how easy it is and a year after you've gone off of it, you'll be thinking about trying it again. continuing to use it may kill you.

    The other thing is, a lot of the gains you make while you're on it will be awesome, but as soon as you cycle off, you're gonna lose most of it.

    I'm not saying don't do it. I'm saying I wouldn't do it.

    I'm also saying you have a pretty hot lean body. I'd hit that in a minute


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    Apr 15, 2008 4:30 PM GMT
    I'm sorry that happened to you Terry. Thanks for the story. It's a good lesson for anyone thinking of supplementing testosterone. You've obviously been through hell. You need a hug.

    The last time I went to Europe I almost missed my flight to Venice, I was in the wrong seat.

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    Apr 15, 2008 4:32 PM GMT
    Thanks John, you said you had a sense of humor so I thought I would give it a whirl icon_biggrin.gif

    John43620 saidI'm sorry that happened to you Terry. Thanks for the story. It's a good lesson for anyone thinking of supplementing testosterone. You've obviously been through hell. You need a hug.

    The last time I went to Europe I almost missed my flight to Venice, I was in the wrong seat.