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    Jan 05, 2007 6:11 PM GMT
    We've all noticed that many of the men on this site are poster boys for Deca and Winstrol. I'd like to know what is being used, how much and how you are incorporating it into your workout regimen.
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    Jan 06, 2007 11:32 PM GMT
    Hate to bust your bubble bro but you can earn the look the old fashioned way also. Please do not think that every built, hot guy here is juicing.
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    Jan 07, 2007 3:45 AM GMT
    Sorry if I gave that impression. I am well aware that most guys don't juice. My question is for the fellows who do.
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    Jan 07, 2007 4:00 PM GMT
    Something about a juice body that just looks so fake and unhealthy. Id rather have a great body without the small cock mood swings liver damage and acne.

    Its all about what you eat and how hard you work it.
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    Jan 09, 2007 5:01 AM GMT
    Did the juice 3 years ago, and it was a great foundation. Have not touched any stuff since, and feel I look better than I did while on the juice. And my mind is clear from the shit that happens on steroids. Something to be said about that!
  • RSportsguy

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    Jan 09, 2007 10:40 PM GMT
    You look great MikeinToronto. I am glad that you are off the juice though because I heard it has some very bad long term side effects! Whatever routine you are doing now is working!!
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    Jan 11, 2007 9:26 PM GMT
    You guys are throwing aroudn a lot of heresay and gym-gossip about anabolics.

    When a man's in his 20's & early 30's and otherwise healthy, his body produces a good volume of teststerone naturally - in the nuts. But as almost all men age that amount declines for various reasons from 800-1200 ng/dl to 200 ng/dl or less. These men then become candidates for Hormone Replacement Therapy from their doctors - a low, regular dosage of testosterone alone or in combination with other anabolics to replace the homones they no longer produce.

    This is one of the listed, legtimate, (and insurance-covered) uses of anabolics.

    Like any drug, hormones can either be USED or ABUSED. As to rumored long-term negative effects, liver & heart problems, mood swings and other things, a proper dose rarely if ever causes any difficulties. The most common side effect is polycythemia, or an excess of red blood cells (the opposite of anemia). This can be mitigated in several ways, not the least of which is reducing testosterone administration and bringing in related drugs which do not have that particular effect in that individual.

    I suggest that if you are in your 30's and have questions about anabolics that you Google "male hormone replacement therapy".
  • canuckdave

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    Jan 11, 2007 11:01 PM GMT
    I would guess that an overwhelming percentage of guys here are natural. I certainly am. It can seem like a long, hard slog sometimes to add weight and mass or maintain your definition, however your general physical and psychological health,(specifically liver and heart), will thank you in the long run for avoiding chemical abuse.
    Someone should question their motives for cheating with steroids. Does it arrise out of low self-esteem and body image problems? If so, Muscle dysmorphia can be a common problem for steroid abusers. They believe that they are never big enough and without that boost will shrink in size. It becomes a never ending cycle of doubt, similar to people who live with Anorexia at the opposite end of the spectrum.
    Steroid abuse can kill your labido. The very thing that you may be hoping for, a hotter sex life, is squashed with no desire. Ultimately someone who looks amazing may be very unhealthy internally and emotionally.
    Personally, subjectively, I find that the freaky, Michelin man, bubble look, unsexy and it speaks of someone really into their own body and willing to sacrifice health, scrupples and integrity to achieve it.
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    Jan 11, 2007 11:42 PM GMT
    I've thought about using but the risks don't seem worth it at this point, and my doc doesn't agree that I need it (yet). I tried various prohormones when they were legal and some of them worked pretty well (I got up to 180 lbs) but they did have minor side effects. Anyway, there's a lot of good info on this topic at the "Anabolic zone" forums in and at

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    Jan 12, 2007 12:24 PM GMT
    Steroid use is an individual choice.

    The large decrease in women's breast cancer has been attributed to the decline in hormone replacement therapy. I am not sure we know enough about steroids effect on the body to conclude what is safe. There are risks and rewards to consider.

    I think health and body functioning should be the goal of diet and exercise programs. If you normally sit around watching TV or are inactive, the most efficient and adaptative form for the body is not a greatly muscled body. Most people agree that a hard tight body looks better than a person with overdeveloped arms, enlarged livers and skinny legs. Those are the guys who should not have access to steroids in my humble opinion.

    Many people are not blessed with the genetics to have a great looking body no matter how hard they exercise and diet. Focusing on development and maintenance of the body is an important part of our life experience. I think our attraction to the guy with nice arms, broad chests, tight abs or firm butts is programmed into our consciousness. We could all look better if we just worked out more and stick to the diet. Steroids have proven to give many guys that added boost.

    I am over obsessed with great looking bodies. I wish I was more focused on how much a guy makes (just kidding).
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    Jan 12, 2007 7:33 PM GMT
    Basically if you plan to do it you should do little and not abuse it. If you are seriously interested then talk with your doctor or someone who knows for sure. You can abuse steroids to an extent that it is very unhealthy or you can be smart and take just enough to give you that umph that you desire. I think most negative comments about shrinking your dick, heart disease, enlarged heart, and unhealthy arteries are simply peoples ignorance speaking as well as old heresay. Small amounts are given to people that need it all the time and the side effects are minor when used with good sense. You dont have to be Ronnie Coleman to juice and you damn sure do not need as much as what he takes.
  • bigguysf

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    Jan 19, 2007 7:26 AM GMT
    It's funny, people look at me sometimes and assume I must be doing something. But I have worked pretty hard my whole life on staying in shape, playing sports, eating okay. And that, plus some decent genetics, have done well for me. But I gotta say... give me a nice lean, slim and well-muscled guy any day. Bigger is not always better sometimes.
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    Jan 19, 2007 8:50 AM GMT

    Oh well, a LOT of dis-information floating around both on and off of this site!

    Chizzad and PSBig summed it all up best on this forum

    Here's the deal.....steroids are not the "evil" that everyone makes it out to be if used PROPERLY! There IS such a thing as Hormone Replacement Therapy for the mature lifters, and steroids are used in many medical applications so they are NOT to be feared.

    And here is where the problem lies...

    1).You got young guys (and GIRLS) out there that think all they need to do is take steroids and they will grow muscle and get that great physique to be envied by all their peers/classmates. I read a stoy where 13 - 14 year old kids were taking steroids and not EVEN working out thinking that they would get like their pro-wrestling stars.

    2). You get guys in the gym that are in their late teens/early twenties that don't know squat about their training, diet, nutrition and are doing crappy in the gym and think that all they need to do is take steroids and BAM!! Instant muscle. Now, do you think this same kid that doesn't even take the time to research how to lift a weight, prepare egg whites, or get decent rest instead of partying with friends, do you honestly think this same kid will research all he would ned to know about steroids? Of course not!!

    3). And the paranoia of the public at large. They are quick to blame the substance and not the foolish decisions and reckless behavior of the user! "Steroids are the demon, not my idiotic son who hapazardly injected 3 in 1 Oil in his ass thinking it was Deca!" So the steroid is the demon.

    And yes steroids are illegal, and maybe they should be because people do NOT do the research, they do NOT know moderation, they do NOT assume responsibility for their actions. If people were to do the above responsibly, steroids would not even be an issue.

    As far as appearance, some guys do not like the big muscled steroid look.....more power to them! For every guy that does not, there is a guy out there that does. Should that factor into a steroid decision? Heck no! Steroids should be a personal choice and you do it for you, and ONLY when you have been training for quite some time and you feel that you are at that crossroads where the gains need to be kick started, and that is usually when you have peaked in your training and/or your normal testosterone levels drop.

    BTW, check out this clip:

    Don't be sheep.... make your own decisions.
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    Feb 17, 2007 9:46 PM GMT
    BigGuy and PSJoey have the right idea.

    When I started lifting, in 1975, everything was over the counter without the misinformation campaign of today. Only since 1991, has juice been control, against the advice of the DEA, DHS, AMA, ALA, FDA, NEJM, ACS, Army and a long list of other authorities (they all recommended it be prescription, or over the counter, but, NOT controlled). (All this information is highly available if you do some research...Google.)

    As you grow older, hormones drop (DHEA, GH, Estrogen, and Testosterone, among others), and your performance, muscle mass, body fat, and mood, all start to decline. HRT (Human Replacement Therapy) nips that in the bud, helping you think faster, preventing Alzheimer's, protecting your heart, protecting your overall health, lowering your fat levels, and increasing overall mood. HRT is BEING used very successfully in middle age and geriatric populations. Lots of good science has been done that show s the many benefits of androgen, and GH, therapy in middle age, and beyond.

    Here's some interesting facts: about 3000 people die every year from all illicit drug use COMBINED; about 800,000 die from alcohol; about 1.6 million die from tobacco; about 6.5 MILLION die from being to fat. If we're truely interested in saving lives, we should outlaw fat people. (I doubt we see that any day soon).

    All that said, we have the ripped metrosexual male in our everyday images, and the beautiful girl with the fake tits, etc. There's definitely pressure. And, anyone that thinks sports medicine is an ingrained part of collegiate, pro, and high school sports is living with blinders on. It's EVERYWHERE. We want guys who are big, can hit it out of the park, lean,dry, and built. Society pays big for those looks, and that level of performance. Ironic, that a teacher nearly starves, and a functionally illiterate person can make millions in the NBA. A sad statement on society.

    Anyway, here's the gotcha: No amount of juice will make a champion. It takes of years of training, smarts, genes, dedication, coaching, in whatever sport.

    In my case, I weighed 175 at 12% and had the fifth highest strength index in my high school at 16. That's genes and hard work, and no fat, out of shape person can blame that on juice.

    From my point of view, it shouldn't be the government's role to control want I put in my behind, be it a syringe, a dick, or a cucumber.

    Ironically, if it WAS about saving lives, we'd outlaw fat people, because they are BY FAR the most amount of lives lost, daily, needlessly, and running about health care costs. It's NOT about saving lives, though, in this's about treatment of illness, power, and control.
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    Feb 17, 2007 9:49 PM GMT
    Just something else, while I'm blabbing, to perhaps get you to think logically (my degree is in computer science): what's the protocol of first choice for the sickest of the sick, with the worst immune systems? You guessed it...juice.
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    Mar 03, 2007 4:57 AM GMT
    Great advice from all of you on this topic.

    Been there/done them all/never again - EAT!

    True story -- I have a buddy who spent 5000.00 on juice -- he would go to the gym for 30 minutes, not eat properly and complained that they were NOT working.

    Gee ......


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    Mar 03, 2007 6:40 PM GMT
    And with the recent death of Brett Mycles, it is imperative that those of us who workout and sculpture our bodies do so naturally. That's the best way. Big hairy muscle hugs.
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    Sep 15, 2007 1:51 AM GMT
    Has anyone tried buying steroids on websites from the UK or Europe ?

    I want to order them but dont want to waste my money on fake stuff.

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    Nov 25, 2007 9:39 AM GMT
    You Should NEVER assume any kind of Hormones. If you assume them you ARE NOT a sportman. You are NOT an athlete. You are NOT even a man worthy discussing with. Period.
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    Nov 25, 2007 1:27 PM GMT
    Here's a cool read from none other than

    They make basically the same rationale points that I did, albeit more eloquently, with regard to technology and performance.