Gays and others attacked by Muslim mobs in the UK for violating traditional Islamic (sharia) law

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    Jun 14, 2011 8:22 AM GMT
    More great behavior by the religion of peace (and pieces of shrapnel) toward us gays, and society at large! Whodathunkit!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8570506/Police-covered-up-violent-campaign-to-turn-London-area-Islamic.html

    Liberals, why do you stick up for these people who engage in such savagery? Something is wrong with a religion when it prevents a woman from running a dating agency, and requires her to dress like a ninja for fear of violence if she doesn't.

    in b4 Islamophobia. I think anyone with any concern for human rights should be outraged at the beliefs and often practices of *most* Muslims. Where's the Muslim uproar when there's a bombing? (near silence) Where's the Muslim uproar when the FBI probes a mosque since an attempted bomber worshiped there more frequently than anyone else at the facility? (lots of outrage, legal action from CAIR, etc.) I think the aforementioned amounts of concern from the Islamic community show where Muslims stand.

    I would post Ke$ha's "Blow" here since it's the theme song of Islam, but there are too many YouTube videos getting embedded in threads nowadays and it causes trouble for even Google Chrome.
  • shutoman

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    Jun 14, 2011 10:56 AM GMT
    Liberals, why do you stick up for these people who engage in such savagery?

    We don't.
  • Buddha

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    Jun 14, 2011 11:00 AM GMT
    shutoman saidLiberals, why do you stick up for these people who engage in such savagery?

    We don't.


    +1
  • davidnta

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    Jun 14, 2011 11:09 AM GMT
    I don't and I'm pretty hard left, but I also don't like the unnecessary stereotyping that is dealt on them.

    Their mentality about women, LBGTQ people, and other religions needs to be reformed - kind of like the mentality of social conservatives. Fortunately, there are progressive Muslims out there that do that and are putting up the good fight.
  • jlly_rnchr

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    Jun 14, 2011 11:12 AM GMT
    We don't punish all Christians when one kills abortion doctors in cold blood either. Or all Catholics when priests rape kids. The behavior of a minority of members should not affect the entire group.
  • bad_wolf

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    Jun 14, 2011 11:13 AM GMT
    I'm staying the hell away from there. It honestly fucks me off beyong belief the way religion instructs people in enforce and impose it'd beliefs and laws on other people. I've been inundated with shit like this all my life.

    People need to get it through their heads and not everyone thinks like they do, they have minds of their own and make their own choices and decision. No one has to conform or be coerced into obedience. We are free.

    We can respect that other have faith and choose to live by it, but they can't accept that the way we live our lives is different from them? Narrow minded pig head fuckers RARRR!!! I shouldn't have to change, they should. I'm sick of hiding, no one should have to consider taking the "straight drug" out of fear on choice, they need to fucking learn to get the fuck along with a diverse community or fucking get lost.
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    Jun 14, 2011 11:16 AM GMT
    jlly_rnchr saidWe don't punish all Christians when one kills abortion doctors in cold blood either. Or all Catholics when priests rape kids. The behavior of a minority of members should not affect the entire group.


    But Christians rarely engage in the violent, coercive behavior Muslims do on the regular, they just hold signs and condescend... the New Testament teaches love and compassion. The Qur'an teaches love and compassion... for fellow Muslims, beheading for everyone else.
  • rebelbeard

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    Jun 14, 2011 11:18 AM GMT
    bad_wolf saidI'm staying the hell away from there. It honestly fucks me off beyong belief the way religion strucks people in enforce and impose it'd beliefs and laws on other people. I've been inudated with shit like this all my lives.

    People need to get it through their heads and not everyone thinks like they, they have minds of their own and make their own choices and decision. No one has to conform or be coerced into obedience. We are free. We can respect that other have faith and choose to live by it, but they can't accept that the way we live our lives is different from them? Narrow minded pig head fuckers RARRR!!!


    Amen to that brother!

    I would like to note my father's side is Muslim and they, nor do I, roll that way. Sharia's Law is disgusting to me. The way they treat people is completely asshole. I can see why my family will not partake in those beliefs.
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    Jun 14, 2011 11:24 AM GMT
    I have less and less time for this kind of crap in western secular societies. If ANY religious group wishes to live here they MUST be made to abide by the cultural, social and legal practices of the country. I think there is a certain amount of latitude that can be given for individual conscience on issues like, eg the hijab, but the moment this kind of crap happens I would quite happily have them thrown out of the country.

    They cannot live with the material advantages of western society (which is what they are doing by chosing to live here) if they will not accept its secularity. No discussion.
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    Jun 14, 2011 11:32 AM GMT
    Home grown Islamic extremism and cultural enclaves have become such an out of control issue in Britain, especially England. Although I'm left wing in the U.S.A and Australia, I can't help but think the Conservatives need to swing even more right on most social and economic problems in the U.K.

    I need to stay away from anything even remotely related to British politics. I can't help but become David Cameron's bitch whenever he opens his mouth.. icon_redface.gif
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    Jun 14, 2011 11:37 AM GMT
    bad_wolf saidI'm staying the hell away from there. It honestly fucks me off beyong belief the way religion instructs people in enforce and impose it'd beliefs and laws on other people. I've been inundated with shit like this all my life.

    People need to get it through their heads and not everyone thinks like they do, they have minds of their own and make their own choices and decision. No one has to conform or be coerced into obedience. We are free.

    We can respect that other have faith and choose to live by it, but they can't accept that the way we live our lives is different from them? Narrow minded pig head fuckers RARRR!!! I shouldn't have to change, they should. I'm sick of hiding, no one should have to consider taking the "straight drug" out of fear on choice, they need to fucking learn to get the fuck along with a diverse community or fucking get lost.


    +1

    Islam is much in need of a reformation much like Christianity went through in the middle ages (which is not to say that that was a great leap forward, but a start).
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    Jun 14, 2011 11:41 AM GMT
    I would also like to add that the more idiotic these foreigners get with trying to get away with their barbarism under the cover of "freedom of religion", the more likely the eventual backlash will be in terms of populist movements to evict them from the countries they have infested themselves into.

    france+issues+paris+muslim+islam+burning

    I'm sure Napoleon and DeGaulle are spinning in their graves over this sort of rubbish.

    Muslims_Paris_Riots_30.jpg
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    Jun 14, 2011 11:48 AM GMT
    Europe will one day have another civil war, and the winners in the struggle won't be the Europeans.

    shutoman saidLiberals, why do you stick up for these people who engage in such savagery?

    We don't.


    Of course you do!


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    Jun 14, 2011 11:53 AM GMT
    alphatrigger said
    I'm sure Napoleon and DeGaulle are spinning in their graves over this sort of rubbish.

    Muslims_Paris_Riots_30.jpg


    Rioting is a French tradition. Sure, it's based on the lie of Bastille, but I'd bet any challenge against it is deemed by many French to be an attack on French 'culture'.

    DeGaulle rocks my socks btw.
  • bad_wolf

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    Jun 14, 2011 12:37 PM GMT
    Problem lies in the way Islam has been absorbed into Muslim, they are two different things, follow me if you can, it's not even clear in my head.

    Islam is the religion, teaching peace, love and acceptance.

    Muslim is culture, the people within society who then take this and behave and act in the way they think they do, its more superficial because their a collective society and community where all eyes are watching and judging.

    Then again I suppose every religion has that element, there's a Mrs. Carmody in everyone.
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    Jun 14, 2011 1:05 PM GMT
    bad_wolf saidProblem lies in the way Islam has been absorbed into Muslim, they are two different things, follow me if you can, it's not even clear in my head.

    Islam is the religion, teaching peace, love and acceptance.

    Muslim is culture, the people within society who then take this and behave and act in the way they thick they do, its more superficial because their a collective society and community where all eyes are watching and judging.

    Then again I suppose every religion has that element, there's a Mrs. Carmody in everyone.



    QFT

    As a Muslim, there are great many of us that dislike the Sharia Law. It was created to brain wash and control the weak minded individual.

    Unfortunately the human side of greed and power holds sway even among the so called idiot religious leaders. Religion is powerful tool to use against people who try to do and lead a normal life, regardless of gender

    Do you know how many killings between Muslim sects esp Sunni and Sect extremist.
    I'm Shia and sometimes wonder if some fundo sunni would try to kill me because of it....

    Oh there are a few who stand up against these weird clerics.

    Veena Malik is an Actress who was accused of being indecent and shaming women.


    This interview caused a sensation because she royally blasted a local cleric and beautifully lambasted the idiot. Btw the cleric hadn't even seen the supposed reality show where she was being 'indecent'. A lot of people after this really stood up and admire her defiance against extremism.

    Sorry there isn't a translation.



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    Jun 14, 2011 1:19 PM GMT
    shutoman saidLiberals, why do you stick up for these people who engage in such savagery?

    We don't.


    Exactly. If anything, we point out as abuse of women in Islamic nations. We point out these things because of our "bleeding hearts" believe in the inherent dignity of all people.

    I think we liberals want to promote more understanding of Islam and Muslims rather than cover them out of fear.

    Yes. Islam needs to wake up to it's own dark side, no doubt about it. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. Christianity has its own history of terror, a thousand year ago, hell, even today.
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    Jun 14, 2011 1:34 PM GMT
    n8698u said, "Yes. Islam needs to wake up to it's own dark side, no doubt about it. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. Christianity has its own history of terror, a thousand year ago, hell, even today."


    I just posted an example on another topic this morning.

    Exodus, "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" Many died in pretty ghastly ways.
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    Jun 14, 2011 1:42 PM GMT
    FearTheFall said
    jlly_rnchr saidWe don't punish all Christians when one kills abortion doctors in cold blood either. Or all Catholics when priests rape kids. The behavior of a minority of members should not affect the entire group.


    But Christians rarely engage in the violent, coercive behavior Muslims do on the regular, they just hold signs and condescend... the New Testament teaches love and compassion. The Qur'an teaches love and compassion... for fellow Muslims, beheading for everyone else.


    It is much more rare in Christian countries. We went through our reformation, when fellow Christians were slaughtered, beheaded or burned alive in the name of faith. Western society learned it's lessons.

    Islamic nations have to learn their lesson, but many of those nations want to preserve their own cultural heritage, and are wary of western influence telling them how to live.
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    Jun 14, 2011 1:49 PM GMT
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    bad_wolf saidI'm staying the hell away from there. It honestly fucks me off beyong belief the way religion instructs people in enforce and impose it'd beliefs and laws on other people. I've been inundated with shit like this all my life.

    People need to get it through their heads and not everyone thinks like they do, they have minds of their own and make their own choices and decision. No one has to conform or be coerced into obedience. We are free.

    We can respect that other have faith and choose to live by it, but they can't accept that the way we live our lives is different from them? Narrow minded pig head fuckers RARRR!!! I shouldn't have to change, they should. I'm sick of hiding, no one should have to consider taking the "straight drug" out of fear on choice, they need to fucking learn to get the fuck along with a diverse community or fucking get lost.


    +1

    Islam is much in need of a reformation much like Christianity went through in the middle ages (which is not to say that that was a great leap forward, but a start).


    Extremists should face the same wrath they throw at others. Whether christian or Muslim. Am not a big preacher of violence but in cases of such people it is justified, beat the crap out of the identified ones like they did to others.
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    Jun 14, 2011 2:07 PM GMT
    FearTheFall said
    jlly_rnchr saidWe don't punish all Christians when one kills abortion doctors in cold blood either. Or all Catholics when priests rape kids. The behavior of a minority of members should not affect the entire group.


    But Christians rarely engage in the violent, coercive behavior Muslims do on the regular, they just hold signs and condescend... the New Testament teaches love and compassion. The Qur'an teaches love and compassion... for fellow Muslims, beheading for everyone else.


    uhhhh the crusades? Spanish Inquisition? Spanish/British Colonization of the new world...Just to cite some examples...and to comment on something in your first post, why do conservatives automatically attack anything that isn't 100% what they believe?
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    Jun 14, 2011 2:12 PM GMT
    I took a course in Ethics and Social Change two terms ago. Our Prof spent the first half of the term teaching about Islam and our current world problem. We met with an Imam, and believe me, I asked him many questions on why there is so much violence in Islamic nations. He told me that the middle east and Africa has many cultures and morés that were in place centuries before Islam existed. He compared it to the United States, with the liberal northeast, the bible belt, the heartland, and the liberal west coast. Each of the regions has it's particular slant on scripture and acts accordingly. He said the middle east has it liberal, more humanistic way of go governing, while others are fundamentalist. Different religions, but same concepts.

    What the world is seeing as primarily "Muslim", is a mix of Islam and their very old cultural traditions.

    He said pride, honor and a need to retaliate against perceived acts of dishonor are what is fueling the terrorism.

    Hopefully, this air of change across the midlle east and Africa will be their wake up call to "chill the fuck out."

    Sorry to seem professorial. I thought I'd share what I learned to shed some light on the subject.
  • tazzari

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    Jun 14, 2011 2:48 PM GMT
    "Liberals, why do you stick up for these people who engage in such savagery? "

    I see! All liberals think exactly the same way?

    Conservatives don't?

    Dead-end discussion.
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    Jun 14, 2011 3:15 PM GMT
    To throw something more positive out there on this topic:

    http://homintern.posterous.com/gay-feminist-humanist-and-muslim-activists-we

    There are many many moderate Muslim voices out there. The rest of society would probably do well to help them get heard.
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    Jun 14, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
    FearTheFall said
    jlly_rnchr saidWe don't punish all Christians when one kills abortion doctors in cold blood either. Or all Catholics when priests rape kids. The behavior of a minority of members should not affect the entire group.


    But Christians rarely engage in the violent, coercive behavior Muslims do on the regular, they just hold signs and condescend... the New Testament teaches love and compassion. The Qur'an teaches love and compassion... for fellow Muslims, beheading for everyone else.





    Were you absent from all your history classes ?

    Christians and in particular the Roman Catholic Christian Church have been responsible for the death of Millions, I'm not sure if there's ever been a true measure of what group in this earths history have killed more. How about you researching this and maybe your eyes will be opened.

    I think the way you framed your topic is rather racist, for instance, as much as I despise LIL'AIPAC (C4) and all his followers, zionist propaganda defending Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians, I don't hate them nor blame all of the Jews, or all of Israel. You might try just blaming and calling out only the Muslims who commited this hateful act rather than claiming guilt for their whole religion. After all you can find plenty of texts in the Christians Bible directing stoneings, banishments and outright killing of those who were claimed to be non believers.