25,000 want guns and the right to kill campus shooters

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    Apr 15, 2008 3:49 PM GMT
    "Would you rather just sit there and cower underneath a desk when someone executes you or would you rather have a chance to defend your life? That's what it really boils down to."

    A growing band of college students have declared they don't want to cower under desks if a shooter invades their campus. If they can carry guns legally on the street, they want them in their British lit classes and dorms and anthropolgy lab, too. They want to be armed and ready.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/14/campus.guns/index.html



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    Apr 15, 2008 3:49 PM GMT
    BRITISH LIT CLASSES??? OMG ... icon_eek.gif ... they prolly just want to kill themselves
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    Apr 15, 2008 3:56 PM GMT
    College students can't handle the responsibility of cleaning their rooms, taking care of pets, and telling their sexual partners they may have the clap. And they think they can be responsible gun owners?

    Damn kids...*grumble*
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    Apr 15, 2008 3:58 PM GMT
    I don't know, I have mix feelings on this, since I am a college student. I would feel safer if I knew the person that had a permit to carry a hand gun in school was there to protect me, but you never know. Think the policies are good the way they have them now.
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    Apr 15, 2008 4:06 PM GMT
    Can you imagine the crazy person at the door of the first classroom getting a hail of bullets from the class!!!! .... icon_lol.gif

    Can you imagine the kids sitting between the door and the back of the room getting their heads blown off, too!!!! ... icon_eek.gif
  • Thirdbeach

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    Apr 15, 2008 5:25 PM GMT
    So...
    Some one with a gun is shooting at people and things on Campus..

    Another Student who is carrying a gun, shoots the first guy...

    Another Student who is carrying a gun, shoots the second guy...

    Another Student who is carrying a gun, shoots the third guy..

    Another Student who is carrying a gun, shoots the fourth guy...

    Another Student who is carrying a gun, shoots the fifth guy..

    Another Student who is carrying a gun, well you get the idea.

    When would it stop.
    If it is "okay" and within your "rights" to shoot a Campus shooter, would that not just make you a Campus shooter, and a target also.
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    Apr 15, 2008 5:28 PM GMT
    What is most likely going to happen is an increase in campus suicides, and accidental shootings. I can just see it now a bunch of guys pissed to the gills in a dorm passing around a gun, it goes off and one of them is minus half his head, or some toes.

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    Apr 15, 2008 5:35 PM GMT
    How is it any different to carry a gun over on the other side of the street from the campus and carry it on campus?

    Actually, the campus shootings give a graphic support to the argument that if you take all the guns away from people, then only criminals will have guns and can shoot everybody.
  • ShawnTX

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    Apr 15, 2008 5:46 PM GMT
    I saw this on a CNN documentary the other night. I almost fell off the sofa! What persdon with any sense thinks this is a good idea? Let's prevent school shootings by allowing all students to carry guns in class. How is easing gun laws going to make school shootings less likely?

    'Sorry, I can't sell you a beer, but have a gun.'

    I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't want to be sitting next to the 18 year old guy that is living on his own for the first time, his first time away from home, stressed out over finals and work. You don't need a history of instability to succumb to the pressure and just snap one day.

    Nor would I want to be caught in the crossfire, or be at a party with drunk, gun-wielding idiots.

    Utter ridiculousness.

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    Apr 15, 2008 6:27 PM GMT
    Caslon saidHow is it any different to carry a gun over on the other side of the street from the campus and carry it on campus?

    Actually, the campus shootings give a graphic support to the argument that if you take all the guns away from people, then only criminals will have guns and can shoot everybody.


    The Virginia Tech shooter was not a career criminal but a severely mentally ill student who should never have been sold a gun. Better background checks on some of these people will prevent the tragedies.

    Criminals like gang members usually don't walk into a gun store and buy a gun, they get them on the "black" market. That is why the recent gnashing of teeth in Ontario by politicians about trying to control the gun violence in Toronto is likely to do little good.

    The gang members are not going to listen, as long as they can make lots of money selling drugs and buy expensive cars and jewellery and not worry about getting a higher education, they will do it.
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    Apr 15, 2008 6:42 PM GMT
    Wysiwyg60 said[quote][cite]Caslon said[/cite]How is it any different to carry a gun over on the other side of the street from the campus and carry it on campus?

    Actually, the campus shootings give a graphic support to the argument that if you take all the guns away from people, then only criminals will have guns and can shoot everybody.

    The Virginia Tech shooter was not a career criminal but a severely mentally ill student who should never have been sold a gun. Better background checks on some of these people will prevent the tragedies.

    Criminals like gang members usually don't walk into a gun store and buy a gun, they get them on the "black" market. That is why the recent gnashing of teeth in Ontario by politicians about trying to control the gun violence in Toronto is likely to do little good.

    The gang members are not going to listen, as long as they can make lots of money selling drugs and buy expensive cars and jewellery and not worry about getting a higher education, they will do it.



    HMMMMM... I am not sure which side of the discussion you are on here.

    I think you substantiate the point that if you take the guns away from all the law-biding citizens then only "criminals," or those with malintent, will have guns. And can carry out carnage at will until the police get there.

    Toronto sounds like a good example.

    Put yourself in the situation...you are under a desk about to be shot, do you want a gun then?
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    Apr 15, 2008 6:52 PM GMT
    I don't think it is a good idea that criminals have guns, but I am being a pragmatist they will get guns no matter what, unless the illicit gun trade is shut down. The vast majority of gun deaths are criminals shooting each other.

    I don't think it is a good idea to give easy access to guns to law-abiding citizens, they are far more likely to use it on themselves or innocent people then criminals. The one exception of course is hunters.

    I honestly do not know what the purpose of semi-automatic weapons are in the general population.

    I would love to know how much of gun violence in the USA and Canada is linked back to the illicit drug trade, I would hazard a guess it is above 75%.

    The school shootings are very tragic but other avenues should be explored before people start packing a .38 calibre hand gun with them when they go to the local pub.

    As a warning of what could happen, the US now allows airline pilots to carry guns. A few weeks ago a commercial pilot had his gun go off in the cockpit. Not a reassuring thought if you are a passenger.
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    Apr 15, 2008 8:25 PM GMT
    Better to have guards in the classrooms than to risk everyone having a go at each other. Leave the guns to those who are trained to use it.
  • SkyMiles

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    Apr 15, 2008 10:36 PM GMT
    I think it's a great idea. Just THINK what it'll do for grade point averages!
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    Apr 15, 2008 10:38 PM GMT
    "A C-?!!!!!" Blam!
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    Apr 15, 2008 11:31 PM GMT
    I don't have a problem with it, but make people that want to carry a gun on campus take a class at least. We already offer shooting classes at UI. They're a 1 credit PE class. Just make them take that. I probably won't be caryin a gun on campus, but that's mostly cause there's no room in my back pack. I mean, my gun would fall to the bottom, and then I'd have to dump everything out just to get at it. And then it would probably have pencil lead and cracker crumbs all up in the barrel, and a holster just doesn't go with any of my clothes.
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    Apr 15, 2008 11:34 PM GMT
    With proper registration, and training completed I think it's a great idea.

    One of the past shootings at a midwest church comes to mind. It was an armed private security official for the church who killed the shooter, savings countless lives.

    I like how every negative remark against this gun idea is based only off assumptions and jokes. Your average household has dozens of items that can kill, every student has deadly weapons available to them all the time. Adding guns to responsible citizen who want them for self defense isn't going to lead to some massive shootout despite the fantasies people believe.
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    Apr 16, 2008 12:54 AM GMT
    It was an armed private security official for the church who killed the shooter, savings countless lives.

    That makes sense, that was his job after all.

    Adding guns to responsible citizen who want them for self defense isn't going to lead to some massive shootout despite the fantasies people believe.

    I am glad you added the "r" word. I remember some of the people I went to University with, and I shudder to think of some of them having guns. In my first year Modern English Lit. class there was a male paranoid schizophrenic who went off his meds. Near the end of the second semester he had to be banned from the classroom for threatening to kill the professor.

    There has got to be other avenues to prevent school campus shootings. They are after all still very rare events.
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    Apr 16, 2008 1:08 AM GMT

    One thing comes to mind, bad aim. I can imagine more casualties, because kids had guns and under the pressure of an actual threat, had bad aim and blasted people who were not the shooter. However, college level minds should be givin more credit than your normal gun toating youth. I'd be comfortable if the ones carrying firearms were required to undergo frequent mandatory testing to determine their abilty to aim, differentiate, and frequent phsychological testing.
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    Apr 16, 2008 1:13 AM GMT
    Absolutely not. The possibility of abuse, opportunity to play reckless heroism, and the confusion to law enforcement is too great. The university campus should be absolutely off limits to guns by students. Non-student faculty and staff though, I would be a little more open. I concede the point regarding the scenario involving a shooter and you in the same room leaving you defenseless and highly vulnerable. But consider the price that will be paid in arming students to fend off such scenario.

    The VT shooter had put up several big flashing red lights that, had the proper communications been in place, would have prevented what had happened.
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    Apr 16, 2008 1:23 AM GMT
    wysiwyg said: "What is most likely going to happen is an increase in campus suicides, and accidental shootings"

    Yes, and more probably, a quick response to a quarrel or an impulsive revenge solution to a failed relationship. All because they're nearby and convenient.

    I'd posit a guess that people who get guns with the intention of using it for defense, if ever used, actually use it 80% in offense (including self-infliction) and 20% in defense (and I think that's generous).
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    Apr 16, 2008 1:24 AM GMT

    The world is changing. I predict a future were everyone will be registered and trained to use a firearm. I already have the cutest little gun belt picked out for myself.
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    Apr 16, 2008 1:25 AM GMT
    WOW. After reading that those college students are promoting violence and claiming it as self defense. You can't have it both ways and in a special case like this more people are bound to end up shot.

    it starts with collegs students and then it trickles one down to highschool and so on. Soon everyone is carrying a gun and coming up with their own versions of what is considered threatening. A mere glance could send someone into a panick simply because it looks menacing. What would stop someone from pulling out a gun and capping them onthe spot? Or how about someone getting in a heated debate about a school topic? What stopping them from proving that little Jonny was wrong. A few clips to the chest solves that argument in a classroom real quick.

    Some situations are unfortnate but sadly just part of life and college students wanting to carry guns on campus would cause such an uproar. What happens then when people start hazing or using those guns for personal gains? What if hot Tina decides she doesn't wanna have sex during 5th period and gets threatened with a gun by her bf or a group of horned up college dudes? The teacher just embarassed someone and gets shot or whatever. The allowance of guns on a campus where students can barely handle the classes they have is not such a good idea.

    They are not the only victims in life. Anyone alive is a victim since life deals all sorts of situations. i don't care if they did have the proer training or whatever. Inviting that kind of idea is boumnd to have some serious ramifications.
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    Apr 16, 2008 1:29 AM GMT
    I'm biased because my dad was shot to death in road rage by a convicted felon on early release but, I would much rather have the power to disarm any attacker rather than have my own gun. All you really need to stop a madman is a level head and a plan of attack. I might feel differently when thrust into such a situation but I still think it's possible.

    Maybe I've been watching too many movies (and I probably have) but I don't think you have to necessarily reach a stalemate (hostage situation) to eliminate a threat. No, not everyone is quick enough to react and counter the situation but in a college campus chances are someone is.

    Sometimes the best defense is a good offense, I just don't think you need a gun to defeat a gunman.
  • mcwclewis

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    Apr 16, 2008 1:37 AM GMT
    Good call... I totally agree.