Apple wants to block concert filming

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    Jun 16, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
    I go to a lot of concerts, and I really hate those people holding up their camera phones the whole time. Just put your damn phone away and enjoy the show.

    But this doesn't seem like the right solution...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2004233/Apple-files-patent-block-iPhone-users-filming-live-events-smartphone.html

    "The days of filming a live concert or sporting event on your iPhone may soon be a distant memory.

    Apple is developing software that will sense when a smartphone user is trying to record a live event, and then switch off the device's camera.

    Anybody holding up their iPhone will find it triggers infra-red sensors installed at the venue.

    These sensors would then automatically instruct the iPhone to shut down its camera function, preventing an footage from being recorded."
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    Jun 16, 2011 3:24 PM GMT
    This is good news for those who work in media. Maybe the sports teams and bands will stop getting free pics and vids of their events, and go back to paying photographers and videographers like they used to do.
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    Jun 16, 2011 5:30 PM GMT
    I wish more venues would stop the recording by cell phones. Just like you, I paid to get into the game or show, and I don't need your arm and phone in the air in front of me. At a general admission show at a concert hall with no seats and just an open floor, it is irritating when you are continually pushing your through the crowd to try to record from different angles.
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    Jun 16, 2011 7:07 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidThis is good news for those who work in media. Maybe the sports teams and bands will stop getting free pics and vids of their events, and go back to paying photographers and videographers like they used to do.


    There is no substitute for a real Photographer/Videographer.
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    Jun 16, 2011 7:44 PM GMT
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    paulflexes saidThis is good news for those who work in media. Maybe the sports teams and bands will stop getting free pics and vids of their events, and go back to paying photographers and videographers like they used to do.


    There is no substitute for a real Photographer/Videographer.
    For small/startup bands there is. icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 16, 2011 7:55 PM GMT
    This would appear to be the choice of the concert organizers. If they don't object to things being recorded, then they wouldn't have these IR transmitters to disabled iPhones. The iPhone device or Apple itself doesn't make that decision, rather the concert does.

    You often hear an announcement before any kind of live performance, that taking photos or videos is prohibited. How is this different? It's their exclusive "intellectual property" which you may not capture if they don't wish it.

    I don't see see this as Apple's decision, but rather complying with the requests of event organizers. A non-issue to me. And we own 2 iPhones.
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    Jun 16, 2011 11:01 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    paulflexes saidThis is good news for those who work in media. Maybe the sports teams and bands will stop getting free pics and vids of their events, and go back to paying photographers and videographers like they used to do.


    There is no substitute for a real Photographer/Videographer.
    For small/startup bands there is. icon_lol.gif


    Pfft, find a first year student, and if you can't pay them offer lunch and full use of the photos in their portfolio! But really you should be able to pay something, even if its only $100
  • denus

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    Jun 16, 2011 11:12 PM GMT
    I think this is a bad precedent overall. Imagine if this was used, say instead of blocking recording of concerts, to block recordings of police who were in the middle of brutalizing someone.

    That Apple is trying to control how we use our own hardware is unconscionable.
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    Jun 16, 2011 11:14 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWill this be a problem for recording events like parents wanting to record their child performing on stage or similar low end events? That would suck. icon_sad.gif

    Sounds like the sensors would have to be physically installed at the location. Doubtful that some school play or child performance would go through the trouble of installing them on site nor would they have reason to.
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    Jun 16, 2011 11:24 PM GMT
    denus saidI think this is a bad precedent overall. Imagine if this was used, say instead of blocking recording of concerts, to block recordings of police who were in the middle of brutalizing someone.

    That Apple is trying to control how we use our own hardware is unconscionable.


    this.
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    Jun 16, 2011 11:25 PM GMT
    Really? They are going to spend all this money to do this and then someone is going to find a work around and make it all useless icon_razz.gif

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    Jun 16, 2011 11:28 PM GMT
    This is a FUCKING DUMB idea. Pretty soon your iPhone wil be unable to record important events, or even police abuse events, because police will soon have the same capabilities to turn off all Apple recording devices.

    Apple is going to hell along with Steve Jobs.
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    Jun 16, 2011 11:29 PM GMT
    This is being presented like Apple is trying to prevent you from being able to record concerts and performances. That's not what it is. Apple is seeking a patent on a device that would block the recording feature on iPhones. Apple wants the patent to have exclusivity to supply the software and device to concert halls and stadiums that do not want their events recorded. It's the choice of the venue whether or not to have it and when to use it.

    And what is this 'right' you have to record an event that is really the property of someone else and is held on private property? You gave up some of your rights the minute you stepped from the public street through their front door.
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    Jun 16, 2011 11:37 PM GMT
    And what will we say when these devices are mounted on top of every police cruiser? It will happen.
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    Jun 16, 2011 11:38 PM GMT
    It's irritating as fuck granted....

    But just wait until the police force wants to abuse it's powers, beats up a bunch of college kids staging a peaceful process and decide they'd rather not have it on passers by camera.

    or a private corporation that want's to accomplish similar goals.

    Not that it ever will happen for two reasons

    1. A precedent was set about apple dictating what people could and couldn't do with hardware that was their physical property when they attempted to void the warranty for jail broken and unlocked iPhones, were sued and lost

    2. There's a lot of talented people out there in the web-sphere will whip up a patch to disable such a function before the ink can set on the press release
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    Jun 16, 2011 11:40 PM GMT
    It really wouldn't surprise me to find out that this was govt funded research and the concert scenario were little more than a red herring to throw the public off and create debate on that while these technologies continue to be inplemented and deployed. Don't think there won't be an android version coming down the pike too. Probably installed by the carrier in the name of national security.

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    Jun 16, 2011 11:51 PM GMT
    Android 4 lyfe suckas!
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    Jun 17, 2011 12:06 AM GMT
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    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWill this be a problem for recording events like parents wanting to record their child performing on stage or similar low end events? That would suck. icon_sad.gif

    Sounds like the sensors would have to be physically installed at the location. Doubtful that some school play or child performance would go through the trouble of installing them on site nor would they have reason to.


    I'm sure it won't be cheap either to install those sensors... so if it ever happens, it'll likely only be in large concert halls/stadiums. I bet it wouldn't be cost feasible for small venues
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    Jun 17, 2011 12:22 AM GMT
    Another reason not to buy an Apple product.
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    Jun 17, 2011 12:31 AM GMT
    endo saidI go to a lot of concerts, and I really hate those people holding up their camera phones the whole time. Just put your damn phone away and enjoy the show.

    But this doesn't seem like the right solution...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2004233/Apple-files-patent-block-iPhone-users-filming-live-events-smartphone.html

    "The days of filming a live concert or sporting event on your iPhone may soon be a distant memory.

    Apple is developing software that will sense when a smartphone user is trying to record a live event, and then switch off the device's camera.

    Anybody holding up their iPhone will find it triggers infra-red sensors installed at the venue.

    These sensors would then automatically instruct the iPhone to shut down its camera function, preventing an footage from being recorded."


    Only people that have no regard for legal contracts, and have no moral problem with stealing could have a problem with this technology. If you have a problem with it, do not buy a ticket.
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    Jun 17, 2011 12:32 AM GMT
    Ravco saidIt really wouldn't surprise me to find out that this was govt funded research and the concert scenario were little more than a red herring to throw the public off and create debate on that while these technologies continue to be inplemented and deployed. Don't think there won't be an android version coming down the pike too. Probably installed by the carrier in the name of national security.

    'Scuze me. Have you seen my tinfoil hat?


    This.

    This sort of crap begins in the name of "defense of intellectual property" (itself a valid libertarian concern) but ends in the State using it to squelch free speech and free press.
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    Jun 17, 2011 12:36 AM GMT
    Iceblink said
    And what is this 'right' you have to record an event that is really the property of someone else and is held on private property? You gave up some of your rights the minute you stepped from the public street through their front door.


    What he said.

    Yall quit your bitching. I think it's a great idea.
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    Jun 17, 2011 12:41 AM GMT
    And wth are yall talking about the freakin' police for. OMG I'm getting pulled over, let me whip out my camera phone... FUCKIN A, CELL PHONES are illegal while driving anyways. Besides.. if the fuckin police are beating up / brutalizing a group of people: A: they probably deserved it. B: if there's someone there to record it, then there's more people there as witnesses... jesus christ people, you act like phones and cameras (technology in general) have been around as long as we have.
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    Jun 17, 2011 1:11 AM GMT
    "Oh honey, let me shoot a little video of our son Timmy's first ball game! Wait, why isn't my cell camera working?"

    "Why is that Giants fan being beaten up? I better film it for evidence. Wait, my cell camera won't let me."

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    Jun 17, 2011 2:10 AM GMT
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    endo saidI go to a lot of concerts, and I really hate those people holding up their camera phones the whole time. Just put your damn phone away and enjoy the show.

    But this doesn't seem like the right solution...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2004233/Apple-files-patent-block-iPhone-users-filming-live-events-smartphone.html

    "The days of filming a live concert or sporting event on your iPhone may soon be a distant memory.

    Apple is developing software that will sense when a smartphone user is trying to record a live event, and then switch off the device's camera.

    Anybody holding up their iPhone will find it triggers infra-red sensors installed at the venue.

    These sensors would then automatically instruct the iPhone to shut down its camera function, preventing an footage from being recorded."


    Only people that have no regard for legal contracts, and have no moral problem with stealing could have a problem with this technology. If you have a problem with it, do not buy a ticket.


    Recording the Black Eyed Peas from the other side of a stadium with your crappy cell phone and then posting it on youtube so your friends can check it out is not stealing.