GOP HONEYMOON IS OVER: OBAMA APPROVAL AT 50% OR HIGHER IN EVERY REGION BUT THE SOUTH

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    Jun 16, 2011 3:46 PM GMT
    Huge case of buyer's remorse for GOP voters in 2010 elections. Voters believe that the Republican House has not brought much change. GOP fav/unfav rating is 30%-44% vs. Dems 38%-39%.

    On a side note, Obama's job approval rating is 50% in every region but the south. Obama leads Romney by 6 points in hypothetical head to head general election.

    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/16/6872779-first-thoughts-the-gop-honeymoon-is-over
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    Jun 16, 2011 3:48 PM GMT
    GOP: WHERE'S the jobs you promised us?

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    Jun 16, 2011 4:24 PM GMT
    First of all, the Gallup poll tells another story
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/148046/Obama-Approval-Rally-Largely.aspx
    President Obama's job approval rating averaged 46% for the week ending June 12, a significant decline from his weekly averages for most of May and nearly back to the level before Osama bin Laden's death on May 1. Thus, it appears the sustained rally in support for the president after the death of the Sept. 11 terror mastermind is largely over. The drop in Obama's approval rating coincides with an increase in Americans' pessimism about the economy. Economic confidence also increased after bin Laden's death but began to decline early this month, perhaps due to reports of anemic job growth and concerns about the slow pace of economic recovery.

    Second, you omitted other text from the msnbc website that does not go along with your hopes
    What should concern Obama: On the other hand, here’s what should concern Team Obama: On a generic presidential ballot, 45% say they would probably vote to re-elect the president, while 40% say they’d probably vote for the Republican candidate. But among the 13% who said it depends or are unsure, just 31% approve of Obama’s job, 76% think the country is headed in the wrong direction, and 80% believe the economy will get worse or stay the same over the next 12 months. Getting those last 5.1 percentage points is going to be one tough slog. Think about it: $1 billion will be spent to woo about five to six million Americans.

    You wouldn't be expected to cite other, highly respected polls, that dispute what you hope for, but when you cherry-pick from the source you cite, you diminish your credibility.
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    Jun 16, 2011 4:34 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidFirst of all, the Gallup poll tells another story
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/148046/Obama-Approval-Rally-Largely.aspx
    President Obama's job approval rating averaged 46% for the week ending June 12, a significant decline from his weekly averages for most of May and nearly back to the level before Osama bin Laden's death on May 1. Thus, it appears the sustained rally in support for the president after the death of the Sept. 11 terror mastermind is largely over. The drop in Obama's approval rating coincides with an increase in Americans' pessimism about the economy. Economic confidence also increased after bin Laden's death but began to decline early this month, perhaps due to reports of anemic job growth and concerns about the slow pace of economic recovery.

    Second, you omitted other text from the msnbc website that does not go along with your hopes
    What should concern Obama: On the other hand, here’s what should concern Team Obama: On a generic presidential ballot, 45% say they would probably vote to re-elect the president, while 40% say they’d probably vote for the Republican candidate. But among the 13% who said it depends or are unsure, just 31% approve of Obama’s job, 76% think the country is headed in the wrong direction, and 80% believe the economy will get worse or stay the same over the next 12 months. Getting those last 5.1 percentage points is going to be one tough slog. Think about it: $1 billion will be spent to woo about five to six million Americans.

    You wouldn't be expected to cite other, highly respected polls, that dispute what you hope for, but when you cherry-pick from the source you cite, you diminish your credibility.


    Can't cut and paste the entire article. That's what the link is for. Read the entire article yourself and draw your own conclusions. If you think cutting and pasting certain key points is diminishing my credibility, don't read my posts.

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    Jun 16, 2011 4:54 PM GMT
    I usually include the entire article when I post, but when I don't, I make an attempt to show a balanced view of the article, and that goes for thread titles. But do whatever you want. As we move towards 2012 with the economy what it is and most thinking we are going in the wrong direction, I don't expect much different from the hard left.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 16, 2011 5:10 PM GMT
    Considering facts and figures, Obama is faring pretty well at present. I think that is because he is a likable individual and most people feel he has integrity and is really making an effort.

    In the end, however, the economy weighs supreme. Improvement really needs to take hold for him to be safe in his reelection efforts.
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    Jun 16, 2011 5:12 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidI

    I don't expect much different from the hard left.



    But we always know what to expect from the "hard rightwingers" don't we Socal?
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    Jun 16, 2011 5:34 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidI usually include the entire article when I post, but when I don't, I make an attempt to show a balanced view of the article, and that goes for thread titles. But do whatever you want. As we move towards 2012 with the economy what it is and most thinking we are going in the wrong direction, I don't expect much different from the hard left.


    Thanks. But i dont need advice or recommendations from an old fart who is out of touch with reality.
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    Jun 16, 2011 5:42 PM GMT
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    socalfitness saidI usually include the entire article when I post, but when I don't, I make an attempt to show a balanced view of the article, and that goes for thread titles. But do whatever you want. As we move towards 2012 with the economy what it is and most thinking we are going in the wrong direction, I don't expect much different from the hard left.


    Thanks. But i dont need advice or recommendations from an old fart who is out of touch with reality.

    Isn't it interesting and telling how both HndsmKansan and I kept labels generic and non-personal, "right-wingers", and "hard left". But you had to make it personal and also include an age reference. Maybe you did not read HndsmKansan's thread about civility, or don't think it applies to you, or don't like attention drawn to your threads with their upper case, biased titles. Whatever. Another example of the left going personal. As far as reality goes, a significant percentage of the population is with me, so I am very mainstream. For you to not recognize that shows who is out of touch with reality.
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    Jun 16, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
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    catfish5 said
    socalfitness saidI usually include the entire article when I post, but when I don't, I make an attempt to show a balanced view of the article, and that goes for thread titles. But do whatever you want. As we move towards 2012 with the economy what it is and most thinking we are going in the wrong direction, I don't expect much different from the hard left.


    Thanks. But i dont need advice or recommendations from an old fart who is out of touch with reality.

    Isn't it interesting and telling how both HndsmKansan and I kept labels generic and non-personal, "right-wingers", and "hard left". But you had to make it personal and also include an age reference. Maybe you did not read HndsmKansan's thread about civility, or don't think it applies to you, or don't like attention drawn to your threads with their upper case, biased titles. Whatever. Another example of the left going personal.


    Maybe its time you sit back in your rocking chair and let us young whipper snappers hash out our futures. Im tired of the elderly with no future trying to destroy mine.
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    Jun 16, 2011 5:48 PM GMT
    catfish5 said
    socalfitness said
    catfish5 said
    socalfitness saidI usually include the entire article when I post, but when I don't, I make an attempt to show a balanced view of the article, and that goes for thread titles. But do whatever you want. As we move towards 2012 with the economy what it is and most thinking we are going in the wrong direction, I don't expect much different from the hard left.


    Thanks. But i dont need advice or recommendations from an old fart who is out of touch with reality.

    Isn't it interesting and telling how both HndsmKansan and I kept labels generic and non-personal, "right-wingers", and "hard left". But you had to make it personal and also include an age reference. Maybe you did not read HndsmKansan's thread about civility, or don't think it applies to you, or don't like attention drawn to your threads with their upper case, biased titles. Whatever. Another example of the left going personal.


    Maybe its time you sit back in your rocking chair and let us young whipper snappers hash out our futures. Im tired of the elderly with no future trying to destroy mine.

    Fortunately there are many young whipper snappers who are sharp. But some are sufficiently clueless and will support the continued spending and debt creation that will further put their own generation in a hole.
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    Jun 16, 2011 5:51 PM GMT
    Dont worry about it. You have zero stake in my generations future.
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    Jun 16, 2011 5:51 PM GMT
    I highly doubt a large percentage of the population is "with" you.

    Obama is going to win re-election. I won't be voting for him...but short of Ron Paul (who could steal a large portion of the youth vote from Obama), the GOP doesn't have a candidate who is socially progressive enough to win the "middle" votes.


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    catfish5 said
    socalfitness saidI usually include the entire article when I post, but when I don't, I make an attempt to show a balanced view of the article, and that goes for thread titles. But do whatever you want. As we move towards 2012 with the economy what it is and most thinking we are going in the wrong direction, I don't expect much different from the hard left.


    Thanks. But i dont need advice or recommendations from an old fart who is out of touch with reality.

    Isn't it interesting and telling how both HndsmKansan and I kept labels generic and non-personal, "right-wingers", and "hard left". But you had to make it personal and also include an age reference. Maybe you did not read HndsmKansan's thread about civility, or don't think it applies to you, or don't like attention drawn to your threads with their upper case, biased titles. Whatever. Another example of the left going personal. As far as reality goes, a significant percentage of the population is with me, so I am very mainstream. For you to not recognize that shows who is out of touch with reality.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 16, 2011 6:15 PM GMT
    catfish5 said


    Thanks. But i dont need advice or recommendations from an old fart who is out of touch with reality.


    Now lets keep things civil, I think we can make prudent arguments from our points of reference. Socal isn't an old fart and he isn't out of touch with reality...
    blurred perhaps by the right, but very atuned.
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    Jun 16, 2011 6:21 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
    catfish5 said
    socalfitness said
    catfish5 said
    socalfitness saidI usually include the entire article when I post, but when I don't, I make an attempt to show a balanced view of the article, and that goes for thread titles. But do whatever you want. As we move towards 2012 with the economy what it is and most thinking we are going in the wrong direction, I don't expect much different from the hard left.


    Thanks. But i dont need advice or recommendations from an old fart who is out of touch with reality.

    Isn't it interesting and telling how both HndsmKansan and I kept labels generic and non-personal, "right-wingers", and "hard left". But you had to make it personal and also include an age reference. Maybe you did not read HndsmKansan's thread about civility, or don't think it applies to you, or don't like attention drawn to your threads with their upper case, biased titles. Whatever. Another example of the left going personal.


    Maybe its time you sit back in your rocking chair and let us young whipper snappers hash out our futures. Im tired of the elderly with no future trying to destroy mine.

    Fortunately there are many young whipper snappers who are sharp. But some are sufficiently clueless and will support the continued spending and debt creation that will further put their own generation in a hole.




    Anyone who opposes "spending and debt creation" certainly shouldn't vote for a Repub.
    The BORROW AND SPEND Repubs have spent as much as the Dems and have created much more debt than the Dems.
    Reagan more than tripled the National Debt.
    Dubya doubled the National Debt.
    No Democrat has come close to that kind of debt creation.
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    Jun 16, 2011 6:26 PM GMT
    "Another example of the left going personal"

    "the left??"


    No.

    One person is not "The Left."

    The irony in how socal phrased that is probably lost on him.

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    Jun 16, 2011 6:30 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    socalfitness said
    catfish5 said
    socalfitness said
    catfish5 said
    socalfitness saidI usually include the entire article when I post, but when I don't, I make an attempt to show a balanced view of the article, and that goes for thread titles. But do whatever you want. As we move towards 2012 with the economy what it is and most thinking we are going in the wrong direction, I don't expect much different from the hard left.


    Thanks. But i dont need advice or recommendations from an old fart who is out of touch with reality.

    Isn't it interesting and telling how both HndsmKansan and I kept labels generic and non-personal, "right-wingers", and "hard left". But you had to make it personal and also include an age reference. Maybe you did not read HndsmKansan's thread about civility, or don't think it applies to you, or don't like attention drawn to your threads with their upper case, biased titles. Whatever. Another example of the left going personal.


    Maybe its time you sit back in your rocking chair and let us young whipper snappers hash out our futures. Im tired of the elderly with no future trying to destroy mine.

    Fortunately there are many young whipper snappers who are sharp. But some are sufficiently clueless and will support the continued spending and debt creation that will further put their own generation in a hole.

    Anyone who opposes "spending and debt creation" certainly shouldn't vote for a Repub.
    The BORROW AND SPEND Repubs have spent as much as the Dems and have created much more debt than the Dems.
    Reagan more than tripled the National Debt.
    Dubya doubled the National Debt.
    No Democrat has come close to that kind of debt creation.

    Given where we are now, if you look at who wants to spend, who wants to cut spending, who put out a budget that maintained significant spending, who suggested a budget that reduced spending, the comparison going forward is pretty clear.
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    Jun 16, 2011 6:34 PM GMT
    socalfitness said
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    socalfitness said
    catfish5 said
    socalfitness said
    catfish5 said
    socalfitness saidI usually include the entire article when I post, but when I don't, I make an attempt to show a balanced view of the article, and that goes for thread titles. But do whatever you want. As we move towards 2012 with the economy what it is and most thinking we are going in the wrong direction, I don't expect much different from the hard left.


    Thanks. But i dont need advice or recommendations from an old fart who is out of touch with reality.

    Isn't it interesting and telling how both HndsmKansan and I kept labels generic and non-personal, "right-wingers", and "hard left". But you had to make it personal and also include an age reference. Maybe you did not read HndsmKansan's thread about civility, or don't think it applies to you, or don't like attention drawn to your threads with their upper case, biased titles. Whatever. Another example of the left going personal.


    Maybe its time you sit back in your rocking chair and let us young whipper snappers hash out our futures. Im tired of the elderly with no future trying to destroy mine.

    Fortunately there are many young whipper snappers who are sharp. But some are sufficiently clueless and will support the continued spending and debt creation that will further put their own generation in a hole.

    Anyone who opposes "spending and debt creation" certainly shouldn't vote for a Repub.
    The BORROW AND SPEND Repubs have spent as much as the Dems and have created much more debt than the Dems.
    Reagan more than tripled the National Debt.
    Dubya doubled the National Debt.
    No Democrat has come close to that kind of debt creation.

    Given where we are now, if you look at who wants to spend, who wants to cut spending, who put out a budget that maintained significant spending, who suggested a budget that reduced spending, the comparison going forward is pretty clear.




    Yup.
    Here is the difference:
    Democrats want to: cut spending and raise taxes on the rich.
    Republicans want to: cut spending and destroy Medicare in order to pay for making the Bush tax cuts for the rich permanent.

    The comparison is "pretty clear".
    The Repubs care more about maintaing tax cuts for the rich than they do about maintaining affordable health care for American seniors.

    The reaction of the American people has been clear too.
    They agree with the Dems - and oppose the Repub proposal to destroy Medicare in order to make tax cuts for the rich permanent.
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    Jun 16, 2011 6:47 PM GMT
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    rickrick91 saidThe reaction of the American people has been clear too.
    They agree with the Dems - and oppose the Repub proposal to destroy Medicare in order to make tax cuts for the rich permanent.



    And don't forget the Obama jobs success.

    1.9 million FEWER people are employed today than when Obama took office.

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    Here's the Repub record on job creation.
    Bush - worst track record on record.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

    And the jobs that were lost since Obama took office were lost in the first few months after he took office, when the worst of the Bush recession was in effect.
    Really, we can thank BUSH for those job losses, since they were caused by the Bush recession!
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    Jun 16, 2011 6:57 PM GMT
    Upper_Canadian said"Another example of the left going personal"

    "the left??"

    No.

    One person is not "The Left."

    The irony in how socal phrased that is probably lost on him.

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    Of course it is only one person. The context I had in mind was the other thread I referred to where civility was discussed and comments were made regarding left and right leaning members. So while trends were discussed, it is clearly the case that for any specific action, the fault lies only with the individual member, and not on a group who happen to share some opinions as the offending member.
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    Jun 16, 2011 9:01 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidConsidering facts and figures, Obama is faring pretty well at present. I think that is because he is a likable individual and most people feel he has integrity and is really making an effort.

    In the end, however, the economy weighs supreme. Improvement really needs to take hold for him to be safe in his reelection efforts.





    and repubs are working overtime to kill every initiative they can that will bring about improvement in the economy.


    remember that saying, that "REPUBLICANS SAY GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WORK, THEN THEY GET ELECTED TO SET OUT TO PROVE IT" One long hard look at the Bush administration and what we are now dealing with because of it and yes they proved again that when they control government, it does not work. At least not for the masses, only for the rich.
  • Webster666

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    Jun 16, 2011 9:57 PM GMT
    As long as the Republicans cling to Representative Paul Ryan's budget plan to kill Social Security and Medicare, they will be DOA on Election Day.


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