NY 1 vote shy of Gay marriage... why?

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    Jun 16, 2011 4:28 PM GMT
    It doesn't seem a big deal to me honestly, when NY is going broke right now. When people are looking for jobs and when homelessness is on the rise. I cannot understand why people so against this as if this vote is gonna destroy the foundation of this city.

    Um, have we forgotten about Manhattan? You cannot stop foot in Manhattan (hell even parts of Queens) and not see a gay couple. It's the small mindedness of the people that really gets to me though. But for myself, being black and gay is probably the worst thing you can be. Why? I dunno. But allowing homosexuals the right to marry someone they love should not be something to get so worked up about.

    I have faith that this will go through and that this will push things forward. It needs to happen and I want it to happen so badly.
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    Jun 16, 2011 5:19 PM GMT
    What do you mean one vote shy? The bill passed the assembly 80-63 in favor. Now it goes to the senate where they don't' even want to vote on it. Welcome to democracy icon_smile.gif
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    Jun 16, 2011 11:12 PM GMT
    The NY state senate should be voting on it Friday. If it passes, Gov Cuomo will sign it into law.
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    Jun 16, 2011 11:19 PM GMT
    I am cautiously optimistic that the NY State Senate will approve the gay marriage bill. If there is any remaining opposition to this bill it is from a bigoted, minority democrat from NYC that still keeps preaching about traditional families and all that stupid nonsense. You cannot blame the GOP for this one.
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    Jun 16, 2011 11:27 PM GMT
    I loved that quote from what's his name...

    "Sir, I'm not a biggot...I'm a Traditional American"
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    Jun 16, 2011 11:32 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI am cautiously optimistic that the NY State Senate will approve the gay marriage bill. If there is any remaining opposition to this bill it is from a bigoted, minority democrat from NYC that still keeps preaching about traditional families and all that stupid nonsense. You cannot blame the GOP for this one.


    Good point.

    And if weren't for that one Democrat, it'd be a sure thing. I think the other open vote is from an assemblyman out of Buffalo? And he is undecided, or is just playing mum if I read the news feed earlier correctly.
  • Bunjamon

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    Jun 17, 2011 1:11 AM GMT
    Remember that the 5 Boroughs are a very small part of the state, despite the higher population there. There are a lot of other people in VERY rural parts of the state that need convincing. New York is not just the Big Apple.

    Everyone, especially people in swing areas, should call their senators. Heck, my senator is even a die-hard republican and will not support the legislation but I wrote him anyway!
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    Jun 17, 2011 1:19 AM GMT
    alphatrigger said
    And if weren't for that one Democrat, it'd be a sure thing.


    And if weren't for those many other (25+) Republicans, it'd be a sure thing.icon_lol.gif


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    Jun 17, 2011 1:22 AM GMT
    Bunjamon saidRemember that the 5 Boroughs are a very small part of the state, despite the higher population there. There are a lot of other people in VERY rural parts of the state that need convincing. New York is not just the Big Apple.

    Everyone, especially people in swing areas, should call their senators. Heck, my senator is even a die-hard republican and will not support the legislation but I wrote him anyway!


    Very true. Areas like Buffalo and Binghamton tend to be a tad more conservative, but nearby Ithaca absolutely RULES. Next to the city, this is a nice liberal area and a wonderful and beautiful city besides.
  • matt13226

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    Jun 17, 2011 1:30 AM GMT
    i live in Wisconsin the state where Gay marriage will be passed after every other state has passed it btw its not just NY fighting for gay marriage its California too they are about the same stage as you guys in NY are or a little bit ahead but i do hope they pass the bill for you guys over there and i think we should just make our own government party and screw the democrats and the republicans, or we can change governments to a monarchy and i can be king lol
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    Jun 17, 2011 1:41 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI am cautiously optimistic that the NY State Senate will approve the gay marriage bill. If there is any remaining opposition to this bill it is from a bigoted, minority democrat from NYC that still keeps preaching about traditional families and all that stupid nonsense. You cannot blame the GOP for this one.




    BULLSHIT
    BULLSHIT
    BULLSHIT

    How many Republicans voted FOR gay marriage.
    How many Democrats voted FOR gay marriage.

    There's no way in the world you can blame ONE Democrat for the defeat of gay marriage.
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    Jun 17, 2011 1:43 AM GMT
    RemyLoV saidIt doesn't seem a big deal to me honestly, when NY is going broke right now. When people are looking for jobs and when homelessness is on the rise. I cannot understand why people so against this as if this vote is gonna destroy the foundation of this city.

    Um, have we forgotten about Manhattan? You cannot stop foot in Manhattan (hell even parts of Queens) and not see a gay couple. It's the small mindedness of the people that really gets to me though. But for myself, being black and gay is probably the worst thing you can be. Why? I dunno. But allowing homosexuals the right to marry someone they love should not be something to get so worked up about.

    I have faith that this will go through and that this will push things forward. It needs to happen and I want it to happen so badly.


    trying being, a mixture of black,gay,jewish and christian
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    Jun 17, 2011 1:45 AM GMT
    MsclDrew saidI loved that quote from what's his name...

    "Sir, I'm not a biggot...I'm a Traditional American"


    yeah that was some funny shit. but he naied it perfectly. i wonder if that was said with tongue firmly in cheek?
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    Jun 17, 2011 2:11 AM GMT
    matt13226 saidi live in Wisconsin the state where Gay marriage will be passed after every other state has passed it


    The state of Virginia objects to your brash statement!
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    Jun 17, 2011 2:38 AM GMT
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    matt13226 saidi live in Wisconsin the state where Gay marriage will be passed after every other state has passed it


    The state of Virginia objects to your brash statement!



    Both of you need to have some hope. Virginia has those more liberal DC suburbs. Wisconsin, like Michigan and Oregon, passed its gay marriage bans only in the 50% range many years ago and time has passed and people have changed in a direction that is better for us. Those are more progressive minded states so there is a good chance of a change in the future. Mississippi passed its ban by nearly 80% and both Louisiana and Missouri were over 70%. That is why leaving it human rights up to the states to decide is going to leave some states out.
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    Jun 17, 2011 3:06 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI am cautiously optimistic that the NY State Senate will approve the gay marriage bill. If there is any remaining opposition to this bill it is from a bigoted, minority democrat from NYC that still keeps preaching about traditional families and all that stupid nonsense. You cannot blame the GOP for this one.



    LOL!
    Nice try, but total BS.

    It takes 32 yes votes for the bill to pass.
    29 of the 30 Democrats in the NY Senate have said that they will vote for the bill.
    As of now, only 2 of the 32 Republicans in the NY Senate have said that they will vote for the bill.
    That adds up to 31 votes.
    Which means that the bill will fail unless another Repub changes his/her mind.

    And you claim that it's the Democrats fault that the bill may not pass???
    BULLSHIT.

    And FYI - there may be one Dem "preaching about traditional families and all that stupid nonsense" - but there are a hell of a lot more than just ONE Repub "preaching about traditional family values and all that stupid nonsense", regarding voting for this bill.
    As the matter of fact - as of now - there are 30 Repubs preaching all that shit, and vowing to vote against the bill.

    Anyone who knows the facts and isn't blinded by pro-right-wing bias can see that we MUST "blame the GOP" if this bill fails to pass.
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    Jun 17, 2011 3:09 AM GMT
    Iceblink said
    Dahas said
    matt13226 saidi live in Wisconsin the state where Gay marriage will be passed after every other state has passed it


    The state of Virginia objects to your brash statement!



    Both of you need to have some hope. Virginia has those more liberal DC suburbs. Wisconsin, like Michigan and Oregon, passed its gay marriage bans only in the 50% range many years ago and time has passed and people have changed in a direction that is better for us. Those are more progressive minded states so there is a good chance of a change in the future. Mississippi passed its ban by nearly 80% and both Louisiana and Missouri were over 70%. That is why leaving it human rights up to the states to decide is going to leave some states out.


    Wisconsin didn't just pass a gay marriage ban, marriage inequality is now part of out state constitution. Yes, formerly progressive Wisconsin actually wrote discrimination into our state constitution.
    Also, people seem to be forgetting that the New York state senate voted down marriage equality in the past when it was in control of the Democrats.
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    Jun 17, 2011 3:45 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI am cautiously optimistic that the NY State Senate will approve the gay marriage bill. If there is any remaining opposition to this bill it is from a bigoted, minority democrat from NYC that still keeps preaching about traditional families and all that stupid nonsense. You cannot blame the GOP for this one.


    So you're saying that when the Senate votes, a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats will vote in favor of marriage equality? Because surely you can't be saying that if all the Democrats except one or two vote in favor while a majority of Republicans vote against it, the Democrats are to blame?
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    Jun 17, 2011 4:03 AM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidI am cautiously optimistic that the NY State Senate will approve the gay marriage bill. If there is any remaining opposition to this bill it is from a bigoted, minority democrat from NYC that still keeps preaching about traditional families and all that stupid nonsense. You cannot blame the GOP for this one.


    So you're saying that when the Senate votes, a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats will vote in favor of marriage equality? Because surely you can't be saying that if all the Democrats except one or two vote in favor while a majority of Republicans vote against it, the Democrats are to blame?




    Believe it or not - that IS the spin/BS that roadbikeRob is trying to push.
    And alphatrigger actually agreed with him!

    Just goes to show you:
    THE REPUBS WILL SAY ANYTHING.



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    Jun 17, 2011 4:09 AM GMT
    q1w2e3 said
    alphatrigger said
    And if weren't for that one Democrat, it'd be a sure thing.


    And if weren't for those many other (25+) Republicans, it'd be a sure thing.icon_lol.gif




    it would be the difference of at least one republican at this point, assuming the democrat doesn't reverse himself.
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    Jun 17, 2011 4:13 AM GMT
    Rick, the GOP is considerably more socially libertarian than it is in the deep red states.

    NY has been a liberal stronghold for quite some time, and while the upstate portions skew somewhat more conservatively, we ain't Texas.
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    Jun 17, 2011 4:32 AM GMT
    alphatrigger saidRick, the GOP is considerably more socially libertarian than it is in the deep red states.

    NY has been a liberal stronghold for quite some time, and while the upstate portions skew somewhat more conservatively, we ain't Texas.




    I'm well aware of the ideological composition of NY, since I was born in Westchester County and lived most of my life in the state - including 5 years in the upstate town of Pittsford.
    The views of the people of New York are NOT the issue.
    The views - and VOTES - of the Republican politicians in the NY Senate are the issue.

    As of now, 2 out of the 32 Repub state senators have vowed to vote AGAINST passing the gay marriage bill.
    While 29 out of the 30 Dem state senators have vowed to vote FOR passing the bill.

    Anyone who isn't blinded by pro-right-wing bias can see that it will be the REPUB senators who are to blame if the bill fails to pass, since the overwhelming majority of them oppose passing the bill.

    And if you want to get into discussing what the views of the people of NY are - let's look at the polls.
    A Quinniapiac poll released June 2nd found that 58% of New Yorkers approve of making gay marriage legal.
    And yet the Repubs in the NY Senate aren't listening to the will of the people of NY.
    In fact, the overwhelming majority of Repub senators have vowed to vote against the will of the people of NY.
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    Jun 17, 2011 6:26 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI am cautiously optimistic that the NY State Senate will approve the gay marriage bill. If there is any remaining opposition to this bill it is from a bigoted, minority democrat from NYC that still keeps preaching about traditional families and all that stupid nonsense. You cannot blame the GOP for this one.


    29 of 30 Democrats vote FOR Equality

    30 of 32 Republicans vote AGAINST Equality

    Yet you say we can't blame the GOP for this one.

    Care to explain???
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    Jun 17, 2011 6:52 AM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidI am cautiously optimistic that the NY State Senate will approve the gay marriage bill. If there is any remaining opposition to this bill it is from a bigoted, minority democrat from NYC that still keeps preaching about traditional families and all that stupid nonsense. You cannot blame the GOP for this one.


    29 of 30 Democrats vote FOR Equality

    30 of 32 Republicans vote AGAINST Equality

    Yet you say we can't blame the GOP for this one.

    Care to explain???


    Coming back to this thread, it occurs to me perhaps he means that the GOP can't be blamed for Ruben Diaz. Otherwise, it's inexplicable.(Well, it's a little inexplicable even then.)

    And if that's not what he meant, I am reminded of what Little Donnie Dark used to say: "There are none so blind as those who will not see."
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    Jun 17, 2011 12:21 PM GMT
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    matt13226 saidi live in Wisconsin the state where Gay marriage will be passed after every other state has passed it


    The state of Virginia objects to your brash statement!



    You mean the Commonwealth of Virginia, not the state. icon_eek.gif


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