A USA boat named "AUDACITY OF HOPE" joins this summers international Aid Flotilla to help break the Illegal Israeli Siege of the Palestinian Gazans

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    Jun 18, 2011 4:01 PM GMT
    The Gaza Strip is dangerously short of medical supplies and many other necessities because of Israels 'apartheid system installed after the 2006 free elections that didn't go the way the Israeli's and the USA wanted them to go. The stranglehold has brought about a virtual walled imprisonment of millions, caused 45% unemployment and to make matters worse after the war Israel called " OPERATION CAST LEAD" in January 2009, reduced the infrastructure and many homes to rubble, the Israeli blockade has basically not allowed appreciable rebuilding to even start.

    Of course our "LIL'AIPAC" (Ceaserea4) considered the Last years Aid Flotilla unnecessary because in his words "THE GAZANS WEREN'T HUNGRY ENOUGH TO NEED AID UNDER THE LAWS OF WAR" "LIL'AIPAC" also went along with AIPAC's effort to cover up Israel's attack on the Aid Flotilla in which IDF killed 9 including one American who was shot in the back at close range. Israel refused to cooperate with a full investigation while AIPAC went into active duty in our USA halls of Congress by soliciting Congressmen signatures on a letter (a lie) saying that the Israeli attack on the Aid Flotilla was in self defense. This letter went to Obama who then did not go along with that full investigation of this atrocity perpetrated by ISRAELI IDF THUGS.

    Israel has promised to send more ships to stop this flotilla even though one of them is a USA sponsored boat, Will ISRAEL START VIOLENCE AGAIN THIS YEAR ? Hamas has joined with Fatah and both have agreed to recognize Israel and to stop hostilities.

    SHOULDN'T ISRAEL STOP THIS BLOCADE AND ALLOW THE AID FLOTILLA TO GO THROUGH ONCE IT IS VERIFIED NO WEAPONS ARE ON BOARD ?

    WILL THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TAKE THE SIDE OF THE PEACEFUL FLOTILLA OR THAT OF ANOTHER ISRAELI THUG ATTACK ON THIS YEARS AID FLOTILLA ?

    I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM INTERNATIONAL MEMBERS ON WHAT THEY THINK OF THIS SITUATION AND THE USA COVERING FOR THESE ATROCITIES IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH MANY UN RESOLUTIONS

    Lets keep up on the progress and watch what happens, we will keep you posted and please feal free to comment.

    (this article and another one with more numbers of ships from other countries can be found on the site COMMONDREAMS.ORG
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    Jun 18, 2011 7:38 PM GMT
    How do you know that the Gaza Strip is dangerously short of medical supplies and many other necessities ? Because the anti semitic propaganda mill said so ?

    Any group attempting to invade Israel or the Gaza strip will be subject to the same scrutiny as has been in place for many years. Israel's safety and survival depends on it.

    The entire world knows this, yet certain factions attempt to defy the embargo, and circumvent the mandatory inspections. If invaders have nothing to hide, they have no reason to not allow the inspections. Otherwise, they should be blown out of the water.
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    Jun 18, 2011 8:01 PM GMT
    As I recall with the last Aid Flotilla the Israeli's didn't seem to be satisfied with just verifying that no weapons were on board, They roughed up the Aid workers then shot the American young man in the back killing him as he laid already wounded.

    What you say sounds reasonable on paper except that at closer inspection there's all kinds of wholes in your reasoning and that of AIPAC fronting that letter that stated the Israeli raid was in self defense. SELF DEFENSE FROM WHAT ? UNARMED AID WORKERS ?

    Webster666, can you tell us what there is about saying the Gazans need medical supplies is Anti Semitic ?

    Why do you make such charges as soon as anything truthfull is told about the Israeli's actions, Telling the truth is nof Anti Semitic. Are you telling us that you agree with everything Israel does ? Do you agree that the Settlements is a block to peace ?

    If I take something from you, if I intend to make peace with you, then I am obligated to return what I took, I cannot expect to make peace while continuing to take from you. Why is this simple principle so hard for the Zionists to understand, or is it that they don't believe it applies to them because they are entitled to that land, therefore they have no intention of ending the continued settlement building?

    Is it Anti Semitic to tell the truth that the blockade and walls around Gaza has in part led to 45% unemployment ?

    LOTS OF IMPORTANT QUESTIONS ABOVE THAT ARE NOT ANTI SEMITIC. Maybe you should look at these subjects honestly and face the reality of how these things look to the rest of the world, the majority of which think the Israeli's actions toward the Palestinians in the current situations are wrong and the primary cause of the lack of peace. Take a look at the large majority voting against Israel in the UN. The US is pretty much alone in its support except for a very few small country's who receive funds from the US and don't want to lose them. interesting facts eh !!
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    Jun 19, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
    There will be an Sidney Australia delegation who will join the upcoming Gazan Aid Flotilla, the Freedom Flotilla is titled "STAY HUMAN"

    The founder of Sidney Jews Against the Occupation, Vivienne Porzolt will be one of them from Sidney joining nearly 1000 people from 40 country's aboard ships and large boats carrying aid to the Gazans against the Israeli blockade

    All are aware that last year Israel initiated violence by dropping armed soldiers onto the flotilla ships and unnecessarily killed 9 unarmed workers. Israel has promised similar efforts to stop this years aid flotilla.

    Will Israeli soldiers attack Jews on this peaceful mission along with all the others from around the world ?
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    Jun 21, 2011 3:02 PM GMT
    Two Ships from France will be joining the Aid flotilla to Gaza in late June, one will leave from Greece and the other from France.

    Will Israeli forces attack these ships as they did last years Aid flotilla ?
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    Jun 22, 2011 2:38 PM GMT
    The International Federation for Human rights asks Israel to allow aid flotilla into Gaza.

    The purpose of the flotilla, organized by international peaceful activits, is to end the illegal siege on the Gaza strip imposed by the Israel authorities as a form of collective punishment since June 2007, this siege has caused a humanitarian crisis, and continues to exist despite the UN SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 1860 AND THE REQUEST OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY>

    A report published in November 2010 by an international coalition of 22 development, human rights and humanitarian organisations, states that in fact little measures have been taken to lift the export ban, the permission of construction materials into Gaza, allowing Palestinians to leave Gaza and granted access for UN staff into Gaza.

    The INTERNATIONAL FEDERATION FOR HUMAN RIGHTS (FIDH) is alarmed by the reports that Israeli authorities will take measures necessary to block the coming flotilla from reaching Gaza, despite the fact that organizers have clearly stated that the ships are transporting humanitarian aid and not weapons.



    Will Israeli forces ignore or honor this request? Hopefully they will not again drop down on the flotilla boats commando style as before when they killed 9 and wounded 30, but board side by side without intimidation and settle with verifying that there are no weapons.



    I have to wonder too if our RJ ZIONIST APOLOGIST, LIL'AIPAC (C4) will again try his "SHITZPAH" out on us by repeating that "THE GAZANS WERE NOT HUNGRY ENOUGH UNDER LAWS OF WAR TO WARRANT AN AID FLOTILLA". I would ask, What War? This time the group Hamas has joined up with Fatah in the West Bank and said it would recognize Israel and stop the lobbing bombs, Will Israel reciprocate peaceful gestures by allowing verified weapons free aid into Gaza ?

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    Jun 22, 2011 2:50 PM GMT
    You think just because Hamas/Fatah say they'll recognize Israel's right to exist, that they will? These are liars who have sacrificed the good health of their own people to progress the mission of hate against Israel.

    As far as the flotilla. If Israel decides to board them/send them back/overtake them then so be it. The flotilla knows the risks of going through Israel waters - and Israel cannot be lenient on this. Opening up the way for people to bring in supplies to Gaza is only going to enable the Gaza regime to find a way to smuggle more weapons in to use against Israel.

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    Jun 22, 2011 3:22 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidYou think just because Hamas/Fatah say they'll recognize Israel's right to exist, that they will? These are liars who have sacrificed the good health of their own people to progress the mission of hate against Israel.

    As far as the flotilla. If Israel decides to board them/send them back/overtake them then so be it. The flotilla knows the risks of going through Israel waters - and Israel cannot be lenient on this. Opening up the way for people to bring in supplies to Gaza is only going to enable the Gaza regime to find a way to smuggle more weapons in to use against Israel.




    note that I wrote a boarding to verify no weapons are present is understandable, you will also note that the International community sees the blockade of trade and normal products services other than weapons as illegal. So after no weapons are found as these multinational peace organizations promise, then Israel will do itself and its image great harm in not allowing the aid to go through.

    I believe Hamas/Fatah will keep to their word for the sake of peace, maybe Israel should end all but the embargo on weapons and end the settlements to show good faith efforts toward peace, What do they have to lose by letting through medical supplies and all else but weapons?


    Look up the site "IF AMERICANS KNEW" and read what International agencies and peace organizaions/contributers tell us is going on with regard to this and many subjects having to do with the Unfairness of Israel toward the Palestinians. There is much that is blocked from our American Media in large part due to AIPAC's efforts at making sure only what puts Israel in a good light gets through.

    Last year after Israel attacked and killed 9 on the previous aid Flotilla, AIPAC went through our halls of congress recruiting signers on a letter to Obama stating that Israels actions were in 'self defense' when they dropped in on that previous aid flotilla. The purpose was to avoid a full investigation of that Attack, Obama subsequently caved and blocked the investigation at the UN. Again take a look at "IF AMERICANS KNEW" and search any topic about this conflict for some very interesting and eye opening eading.
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    Jun 22, 2011 3:24 PM GMT
    And what, exactly, has Hamas/Fatah done to make you believe they will keep their word? Their track record is one of hate and violence and now all of a sudden you believe them to be honorable?

    Yeah...okay.
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    Jun 22, 2011 3:28 PM GMT
    As a gay man, here's all you need know about the relative differences between Israel and the muslim world.

    Pride photos from Israel. Hanging was of two gay teens in Iran.




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    Jun 22, 2011 3:36 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidAnd what, exactly, has Hamas/Fatah done to make you believe they will keep their word? Their track record is one of hate and violence and now all of a sudden you believe them to be honorable?

    Yeah...okay.



    I cannot speak for them, but if they seek peace, they will keep their word or the occupation continues. under those circumstances the time is now,

    Is it then honorable for Israel to keep building settlements effectively taking what both sides have considered Palestinian territory which Israel now Occupies ? This is not just a one sided story, read from the site I suggested, both sides have things they need to change for peace.
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    Jun 22, 2011 3:39 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn saidAs a gay man, here's all you need know about the relative differences between Israel and the muslim world.

    Pride photos from Israel. Hanging was of two gay teens in Iran.




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    Should I show pics then of Palestinian 10 and 12 year old children shot in the head by Israeli snipers as they played?

    Iran is not in this 'race' so lets not argue about the atrocities that either side has committed,

    this subject is on and aid flotilla that the International community sees as necessary.
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    Jun 22, 2011 3:40 PM GMT
    Hamas/Fatah have never done anything to truly, and genuinely, show they would like to move to peace. You are asking people to support them (albeit, inadvertantly) and I for one don't see any reason/proof why they should be trusted now. I agree with Israel's hard-line stance.
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    Jun 22, 2011 3:48 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidHamas/Fatah have never done anything to truly, and genuinely, show they would like to move to peace. You are asking people to support them (albeit, inadvertantly) and I for one don't see any reason/proof why they should be trusted now. I agree with Israel's hard-line stance.


    No I am not asking that, on that subject I am suggesting that it behooves them to come through, as does Israel in stopping settlements to show good faith effort toward peace.

    but this case in point is about letting aid go through that many international agencies sees as necessary. Some peacefull aggreement from Israels side of this subject will help the two sides toward peace, don't you think so. Peace has to start somewhere.


    aside from this I am going outside to work on a pool project and will catch you later. Nice chatting by the way,
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    Jun 22, 2011 3:49 PM GMT
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    rkyjockdn saidAs a gay man, here's all you need know about the relative differences between Israel and the muslim world.

    Pride photos from Israel. Hanging was of two gay teens in Iran.




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    Should I show pics then of Palestinian 10 and 12 year old children shot in the head by Israeli snipers as they played?

    Iran is not in this 'race' so lets not argue about the atrocities that either side has committed,

    this subject is on and aid flotilla that the International community sees as necessary.


    Post whatever you wish. And while you're at it, see if you can find any pride photos from any muslim country. Execution photos are much easier to find.

    When has Palestine every negotiated in good faith? When has the underlying goal been anything other than the total annihilationof Isreal?

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    Jun 22, 2011 4:00 PM GMT
    You're still making suggestions based around that Hamas/Fatah will be true to their word and move towards peaceful existence with Israel. What actions have they taken to show this? Why should Israel let up, when it's most likely (as it has before) turned out that many of the supplies coming in (though maybe not a weapon in basic form) have been made into objects of violence to be used against the people of Israel.


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    ConfederateGhost saidHamas/Fatah have never done anything to truly, and genuinely, show they would like to move to peace. You are asking people to support them (albeit, inadvertantly) and I for one don't see any reason/proof why they should be trusted now. I agree with Israel's hard-line stance.


    No I am not asking that, on that subject I am suggesting that it behooves them to come through, as does Israel in stopping settlements to show good faith effort toward peace.

    but this case in point is about letting aid go through that many international agencies sees as necessary. Some peacefull aggreement from Israels side of this subject will help the two sides toward peace, don't you think so. Peace has to start somewhere.


    aside from this I am going outside to work on a pool project and will catch you later. Nice chatting by the way,
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    Jun 22, 2011 7:24 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidYou're still making suggestions based around that Hamas/Fatah will be true to their word and move towards peaceful existence with Israel. What actions have they taken to show this? Why should Israel let up, when it's most likely (as it has before) turned out that many of the supplies coming in (though maybe not a weapon in basic form) have been made into objects of violence to be used against the people of Israel.


    realifedad said
    ConfederateGhost saidHamas/Fatah have never done anything to truly, and genuinely, show they would like to move to peace. You are asking people to support them (albeit, inadvertantly) and I for one don't see any reason/proof why they should be trusted now. I agree with Israel's hard-line stance.


    No I am not asking that, on that subject I am suggesting that it behooves them to come through, as does Israel in stopping settlements to show good faith effort toward peace.

    but this case in point is about letting aid go through that many international agencies sees as necessary. Some peacefull aggreement from Israels side of this subject will help the two sides toward peace, don't you think so. Peace has to start somewhere.


    aside from this I am going outside to work on a pool project and will catch you later. Nice chatting by the way,




    Its quite reasonable for the International Aid flotilla organizers to accept inspection on the boats and as well as they are unloaded, all that is being suggested is that Israel be reasonable. as for peace, the process has to start somewhere and even Jewish members and organizations recognize that promises have been broken from both sides, so the best thing to do is "VERIFY THEN TRUST" Reagan I believe it was used the term "TRUST BUT VERIFY" either way If Israel will stop the settlements on Palestinian Occupied territory, in return for Fatah and Hamas promise to recongnize Israel and stop hostilities, then that is the best place to start.
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    Jun 22, 2011 7:36 PM GMT
    rkyjockdn. both sides have had their problems of keeping their word, and whether or not muslims have a pride parade , while Israel does, is little comfort or justification for continuing taking Occupied Palestinian Territory, for settlement building. So the action of taking that land is not an act of peace coming from Israel.

    Fatah of the West bank has long ago recognized Israel and not forwarded violence against Israel, Now that Hamas has joined them, they have promised the same in return for restarting the peace process. They await Israels stopping the Settlement building. Most moderate Jewish people are for stopping the settlements. but lets not rehash that, I only brought that up because there are two sides to this and most in the international community are Israel stopping its very unfair treatment of the Palestinians under the Occupation and involving the embargo..
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    Jun 24, 2011 3:45 PM GMT
    The Peacefull American Group who will be on board "THE AUDACITY OF HOPE" wrote the following letter to President Obama and the State Department.


    "The US Boart to Gaza is a coalition of organizations and a grassroots campaign of individuals who together are joining to launch a U.S. BOAT TO GAZA. When the U.S. boat, THE AUDACITY OF HOPE, sails it will take its place in the next FREEDOM FLOTILLA to participate in the great international effort to break the blockade of Gaza and to end the occupation of Palestine. From the deck of the Audacity of Hope, we will be in a powerful and unique postition to challenge U.S. foreign policy and affirm the universal obligation to uphold international law and human rights."

    "We agree to adhere to the principles of nonviolence and nonviolent resistance in word and deed at all times."


    So far, no reply from Obama or Clinton at the State Department.



    But there has been a general warning from the State Department of the dangers of joining the Aid Flotilla, possibly coming for Israel's military.

    MIND YOU THAT ISRAEL IS OUR SUPPOSED PARTNER TO WHOM WE SEND 3 BILLION A YEAR AND WHOSE ACTIONS AGAINST INTERNATIONAL LAW WHERE THE GAZANS ARE CONCERNED, ARE WHAT MAKE THE AID FLOTILLA NECESSARY. AND NOW OUR STATE DEPARTMENT IS WARNING AGAINST HELPING OUT OUR PARTNERS VICTIM THE GAZANS WHAT A TWIST OF FOREIGN POLICY !!!


    WILL THE STATE DEPT. ALSO SEND A WARNING TO ISRAEL NOT TO ATTACK ITS CITIZENS ?

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    Jun 24, 2011 3:47 PM GMT
    What for? These citizens are engaging in something they are fully aware of has had negative associations with it.

    It's not the job of our President to protect these people from doing whatever they want to do - and suffering the consequences of it.
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    Jun 24, 2011 4:21 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidWhat for? These citizens are engaging in something they are fully aware of has had negative associations with it.

    It's not the job of our President to protect these people from doing whatever they want to do - and suffering the consequences of it.





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    Its the job of the President of the greatest democracy in the world to represent democratic principles for those downtrodden masses whose rights are taken away against international law by any country, let alone a supposed partner.

    We look the fool doing this then attempting to use foreign policy pressure against China actions against the Tibetans for instance.


    So you support Israel blocking much needed medical supplies and building materials to repair the homes and infrastructure Israel destroyed in Gaza ? The International community attempted resolutions against those actions with a great majority while the use vetoes such efforts. YESSIREEE !!! we look the fool over this, THE TAIL (Israel) WAGGING THE DOG (the US) so they can continue to go against international law and many a resolution from the UN and EU.

    Have you read any from "IF AMERICANS KNEW" yet ? you need to for a more broad picture of whats going on in and around Israel. All is not as AIPAC would have it appear here in the USA.

    and now I have to go to work outside again, nice to see you on again today.
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    Jun 24, 2011 4:34 PM GMT
    First off - I don't support any type of foreign aid. Not to Israel, Libya, Pakistan, Mexico, etc. We have too many domestic issues that need to be made priorities. Not sending our money out of the country.

    With that being said - I'm just merely stating that Israel is justified in being overly cautious when it comes to dealing with entities like Hamas/Fatah because they've expressed in the past their desire to see Israel wiped out.

    As far as you thinking the President should involve himself and tell Israel not to attack American citizens; what if I went with a group of gay guys to Saudi Arabia to hold a gay pride rally...do you think the President should get on the TV and puff out his chest and tell the Saudi Arabian's who's boss?

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    Jun 24, 2011 4:54 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidFirst off - I don't support any type of foreign aid. Not to Israel, Libya, Pakistan, Mexico, etc. We have too many domestic issues that need to be made priorities. Not sending our money out of the country.

    With that being said - I'm just merely stating that Israel is justified in being overly cautious when it comes to dealing with entities like Hamas/Fatah because they've expressed in the past their desire to see Israel wiped out.

    As far as you thinking the President should involve himself and tell Israel not to attack American citizens; what if I went with a group of gay guys to Saudi Arabia to hold a gay pride rally...do you think the President should get on the TV and puff out his chest and tell the Saudi Arabian's who's boss?



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    The major difference is that Israel is supposed to be our primary partner in that part of the world.

    Peace has to start somewhere and here and now is as good a place to start as any that has come about for decades. Hamas has joined Fatah whom Israel approves of dealing with, Hamas has stated it would go along with Fatah, end hostilities and recognize Israel.

    You have to realize that if you were in the place of the Gazans who far too frequently have to bury their 10 to 13 year old sons and daughters that were shot in the head by Israeli Snipers, wouldn't you tend to want to shoot such a sniper? There is more to the story of why all this needs to come to an end and the US plays a huge role in it. Americans only hear about those bombs Hamas sends, it doesn't hear about those Snipers bullets. Now Hamas has softened its stand from pressure from the Gazans, Israel and the USA helped Hamas get started over the PLO, so, now Hamas must be dealt with in its subserbient union with Fatah, like it or not those are who Israel has to deal with for peace.

    (1500 Palestinian children have died one way or other from Israels actions, whether it be from snipers, settlers, or from the Israeli Defense Forces. since the year 2000. (read from "IF AMERICANS KNEW")

    This is our partner doing the above, US backing Israel while this goes on is not in our Interest, being seen as fair and not biased in favor of whatever Israels actions may be, is very much in our interests in the Middle East, so it behooves the President to tell our partner Israel to refrain from putting our citizens in danger and for them to use this opportunity to work toward peace and lighten up on the Gazans. After all PEACE IS THE GOAL

    and now I must get going !! ha
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    Jun 24, 2011 5:48 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidFirst off - I don't support any type of foreign aid. Not to Israel, Libya, Pakistan, Mexico, etc. We have too many domestic issues that need to be made priorities. Not sending our money out of the country.


    You have a very simplistic view of the world, don't you?
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    Jun 24, 2011 11:38 PM GMT
    No, I just realize that throwing money to other countries to help them fix their problems when we can't even tout fixing our own is just...ridiculous.

    We have people here in our own country who need help...are you suggesting we forget about them so we can give money to other people who aren't even our citizens?

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    ConfederateGhost saidFirst off - I don't support any type of foreign aid. Not to Israel, Libya, Pakistan, Mexico, etc. We have too many domestic issues that need to be made priorities. Not sending our money out of the country.


    You have a very simplistic view of the world, don't you?