"There's a Communist Living in the White House"

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    Jun 18, 2011 7:52 PM GMT
    I love how she hides her nasty personality and ignorance with that girlish face and innocent expressions.
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    Jun 18, 2011 8:15 PM GMT
    I wonder what would happened if one of these right-wingers ran into an actual communist. I suspect they'd shit their pants. icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 18, 2011 8:26 PM GMT
    Have you ever seen the video of the reporter that went to a Tea Party rally and randomly asked attendees what a communist was? Holy shit, that was funny! Every answer they gave, the reporter (very educated) quickly informed them of which Republican leader had enacted that very law. They got quiet real quick and took another sip of their Coors Light.
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    Christian73 saidI wonder what would happened if one of these right-wingers ran into an actual communist. I suspect they'd shit their pants. icon_lol.gif

    I don't know who "these right-wingers" are specifically, but I have in the past run into some "actual communists", who were party members in a couple of eastern block countries that no longer exist. The political system they advocated was very different from anything I think RJ members would advocate, but the economics they advocated was pretty consistent with that of some of our RJ hard lefties. The most striking difference today is the ex-communists see the failures of the economics they once advocated, something the RJ hard lefties would not comprehend.
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    Christian73 saidI wonder what would happened if one of these right-wingers ran into an actual communist. I suspect they'd shit their pants. icon_lol.gif

    I don't know who "these right-wingers" are specifically, but I have in the past run into some "actual communists", who were party members in a couple of eastern block countries that no longer exist. The political system they advocated was very different from anything I think RJ members would advocate, but the economics they advocated was pretty consistent with that of some of our RJ hard lefties. The most striking difference today is the ex-communists see the failures of the economics they once advocated, something the RJ hard lefties would not comprehend.


    Actually, a mixed system of capitalism constrained by regulation and accounting for social needs led to the greatest period of economic growth in the history of our country and many Western European ones as well.

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    Christian73 saidI wonder what would happened if one of these right-wingers ran into an actual communist. I suspect they'd shit their pants. icon_lol.gif

    I don't know who "these right-wingers" are specifically, but I have in the past run into some "actual communists", who were party members in a couple of eastern block countries that no longer exist. The political system they advocated was very different from anything I think RJ members would advocate, but the economics they advocated was pretty consistent with that of some of our RJ hard lefties. The most striking difference today is the ex-communists see the failures of the economics they once advocated, something the RJ hard lefties would not comprehend.


    Actually, a mixed system of capitalism constrained by regulation and accounting for social needs led to the greatest period of economic growth in the history of our country and many Western European ones as well.

    Take a look at the Western European "social democracies" today. Not a pretty sight. Even Sweden is moving to the right. They have all seen the problem when there is too much regulation, too much government, everyone is worse off. When you focus or become obsessed with the unequal distribution of income and wealth, and use government policies to reduce differences, you can succeed in reducing such differences, but except for the poorest who cannot become even poorer, everyone else is worse off.
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    Christian73 saidI wonder what would happened if one of these right-wingers ran into an actual communist. I suspect they'd shit their pants. icon_lol.gif

    I don't know who "these right-wingers" are specifically, but I have in the past run into some "actual communists", who were party members in a couple of eastern block countries that no longer exist. The political system they advocated was very different from anything I think RJ members would advocate, but the economics they advocated was pretty consistent with that of some of our RJ hard lefties. The most striking difference today is the ex-communists see the failures of the economics they once advocated, something the RJ hard lefties would not comprehend.


    Actually, a mixed system of capitalism constrained by regulation and accounting for social needs led to the greatest period of economic growth in the history of our country and many Western European ones as well.




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    Jun 19, 2011 12:33 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidI wonder what would happened if one of these right-wingers ran into an actual communist. I suspect they'd shit their pants. icon_lol.gif

    I don't know who "these right-wingers" are specifically, but I have in the past run into some "actual communists", who were party members in a couple of eastern block countries that no longer exist. The political system they advocated was very different from anything I think RJ members would advocate, but the economics they advocated was pretty consistent with that of some of our RJ hard lefties. The most striking difference today is the ex-communists see the failures of the economics they once advocated, something the RJ hard lefties would not comprehend.


    Actually, a mixed system of capitalism constrained by regulation and accounting for social needs led to the greatest period of economic growth in the history of our country and many Western European ones as well.

    Take a look at the Western European "social democracies" today. Not a pretty sight. Even Sweden is moving to the right. They have all seen the problem when there is too much regulation, too much government, everyone is worse off. When you focus or become obsessed with the unequal distribution of income and wealth, and use government policies to reduce differences, you can succeed in reducing such differences, but except for the poorest who cannot become even poorer, everyone else is worse off.


    Untrue in virtually every way.
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    Jun 19, 2011 12:39 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidTake a look at the Western European "social democracies" today. Not a pretty sight. Even Sweden is moving to the right. They have all seen the problem when there is too much regulation, too much government, everyone is worse off. When you focus or become obsessed with the unequal distribution of income and wealth, and use government policies to reduce differences, you can succeed in reducing such differences, but except for the poorest who cannot become even poorer, everyone else is worse off.

    But you haven't addressed the topic, have you? Is there a Communist living in the White House? I think that was the subject, nothing about Western Europe, was it?
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    Christian73 saidI wonder what would happened if one of these right-wingers ran into an actual communist. I suspect they'd shit their pants. icon_lol.gif

    I don't know who "these right-wingers" are specifically, but I have in the past run into some "actual communists", who were party members in a couple of eastern block countries that no longer exist. The political system they advocated was very different from anything I think RJ members would advocate, but the economics they advocated was pretty consistent with that of some of our RJ hard lefties. The most striking difference today is the ex-communists see the failures of the economics they once advocated, something the RJ hard lefties would not comprehend.


    Actually, a mixed system of capitalism constrained by regulation and accounting for social needs led to the greatest period of economic growth in the history of our country and many Western European ones as well.

    Take a look at the Western European "social democracies" today. Not a pretty sight. Even Sweden is moving to the right. They have all seen the problem when there is too much regulation, too much government, everyone is worse off. When you focus or become obsessed with the unequal distribution of income and wealth, and use government policies to reduce differences, you can succeed in reducing such differences, but except for the poorest who cannot become even poorer, everyone else is worse off.

    Untrue in virtually every way.

    I know the situation in Western Europe quite well, both from my own experience and that of friends, as well as from an extensive reading. You can read many accounts on the shift in Sweden and the events in other countries. I understand it is impossible for some to accept this, because doing so would destroy the foundation to their ideology.
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    Jun 19, 2011 12:44 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidTake a look at the Western European "social democracies" today. Not a pretty sight. Even Sweden is moving to the right. They have all seen the problem when there is too much regulation, too much government, everyone is worse off. When you focus or become obsessed with the unequal distribution of income and wealth, and use government policies to reduce differences, you can succeed in reducing such differences, but except for the poorest who cannot become even poorer, everyone else is worse off.

    But you haven't addressed the topic, have you? Is there a Communist living in the White House. I think that was the subject, nothing about Western Europe, was it?

    I was responding to a comment Christian made about people most likely never having met an actual communist. Perhaps you would like to chastise him for straying off topic, but these things happen sometimes. Hopefully this response is low-key enough for you so you won't think I am one of the vast conspiracy out to get you. I actually think you're pretty obvious and pretty harmless, but that is off-topic as well. But to put your mind at ease, understanding the difference between a socialist and a communist, which may or may not be relevant, I do not consider Obama a communist. Happy?
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    Jun 19, 2011 12:46 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidTake a look at the Western European "social democracies" today. Not a pretty sight. Even Sweden is moving to the right. They have all seen the problem when there is too much regulation, too much government, everyone is worse off. When you focus or become obsessed with the unequal distribution of income and wealth, and use government policies to reduce differences, you can succeed in reducing such differences, but except for the poorest who cannot become even poorer, everyone else is worse off.

    But you haven't addressed the topic, have you? Is there a Communist living in the White House. I think that was the subject, nothing about Western Europe, was it?

    I was responding to a comment Christian made about people most likely never having met an actual communist. Perhaps you would like to chastise him for straying off topic, but these things sometimes. Hopefully this response is low-key enough for you so you won't think I am one of the vast conspiracy out to get you. I actually think you're pretty obvious and pretty harmless, but that is off-topic as well.

    Let me try again -- is there a Communist living in the White House? Yes or no? Can you understand a simple question, and stay on thread?
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    Jun 19, 2011 12:49 AM GMT
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    socalfitness saidTake a look at the Western European "social democracies" today. Not a pretty sight. Even Sweden is moving to the right. They have all seen the problem when there is too much regulation, too much government, everyone is worse off. When you focus or become obsessed with the unequal distribution of income and wealth, and use government policies to reduce differences, you can succeed in reducing such differences, but except for the poorest who cannot become even poorer, everyone else is worse off.

    But you haven't addressed the topic, have you? Is there a Communist living in the White House. I think that was the subject, nothing about Western Europe, was it?

    I was responding to a comment Christian made about people most likely never having met an actual communist. Perhaps you would like to chastise him for straying off topic, but these things sometimes. Hopefully this response is low-key enough for you so you won't think I am one of the vast conspiracy out to get you. I actually think you're pretty obvious and pretty harmless, but that is off-topic as well.

    Let me try again -- is there a Communist living in the White House? Yes or no? Can you understand a simple question, and stay on thread?

    In parallel to your quoting, I had updated my message to cover it. Hope that made your day.
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    Jun 19, 2011 12:57 AM GMT
    This woman is a good example of a right wing 'follower' type person who heard this communism talked about so bought into it hook line and sinker, few that believe this stuff really study things out for themselves. Jockfever has shown himself to be rather fanatical with his religion and far right beliefs, I'm afraid SoCal may be in the same boat with him according to some of this he's said today. Obama is about as communistic as the Queen of England is a US "Southern TBagger" sympathizer.
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    Christian73 saidI wonder what would happened if one of these right-wingers ran into an actual communist. I suspect they'd shit their pants. icon_lol.gif

    I don't know who "these right-wingers" are specifically, but I have in the past run into some "actual communists", who were party members in a couple of eastern block countries that no longer exist. The political system they advocated was very different from anything I think RJ members would advocate, but the economics they advocated was pretty consistent with that of some of our RJ hard lefties. The most striking difference today is the ex-communists see the failures of the economics they once advocated, something the RJ hard lefties would not comprehend.


    Actually, a mixed system of capitalism constrained by regulation and accounting for social needs led to the greatest period of economic growth in the history of our country and many Western European ones as well.

    Take a look at the Western European "social democracies" today. Not a pretty sight. Even Sweden is moving to the right. They have all seen the problem when there is too much regulation, too much government, everyone is worse off. When you focus or become obsessed with the unequal distribution of income and wealth, and use government policies to reduce differences, you can succeed in reducing such differences, but except for the poorest who cannot become even poorer, everyone else is worse off.


    As a Swedish citizen I have to chime in here. Sweden has moved to the right politically and is suffering for it but it's rather more complicated than you make it out to be. It's not really about the Swedish population thinking there is too much regulation, it's more about a) the political agenda having been hijacked by neo-liberals for the past 20 years and b) the Social-Democratic party moving towards the middle of the political spectrum (since the 90's turning increasingly neo-liberal and becoming far more interested in power than ideology and thus also going from a 40% - 50+% party to the second 30% party in that very same space of time.) At the same time the major right-wing party has adopted the rhetoric of the traditional Social-Democrats, claiming to be a "labour party", which is bollocks of course but without a good alternative people vote for them anyway since the Social-Democrats have turned into a sham that everyone's sick of and the Socialist party have become ridiculous.

    Sweden hasn't turned to the right because most people want de-regulations and privatizations (ask anyone about the de-regulation of the electricity market or the Rail and what disasters they turned out to be), Sweden moved to the right because of clever re-marketing of the right-wing parties (using traditional left-wing rhetoric to disguse right-wing politics) and a lack of credible left-wing options.

    We're not better off with a right-wing government or with less regulation and government. We're moving towards a 2/3 society where two thirds are well off, and the remaining third is becoming increasingly poorer, kind of like the US. Our school system is going to shit, segregation is increasing, less and less money is going to the care of our elders, our young and our sick. Ill people are being forced into poverty by new insurance laws and the government's inability to create new jobs is blamed on the individual who is then punished for their failure to find a job in an economy where there are no jobs to be found. We've basically moved backwards in time and this backward movement is very much coincided with the veering to the right.

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    Let me try again -- is there a Communist living in the White House? Yes or no? Can you understand a simple question, and stay on thread?

    In parallel to your quoting, I had updated my message to cover it. Hope that made your day.

    Dealing with you Republicans is like pulling teeth. You finally said, after several posts, that Obama isn't a Communist. Instead you now substitute Socialist, the favorite right-wing word right now.

    Could you prove that, please? Or do we again have to go around the block several more times, before we get a clear & direct answer?
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    Let me try again -- is there a Communist living in the White House? Yes or no? Can you understand a simple question, and stay on thread?

    In parallel to your quoting, I had updated my message to cover it. Hope that made your day.

    Dealing with you Republicans is like pulling teeth. You finally said, after several posts, that Obama isn't a Communist. Instead you now substitute Socialist, the favorite right-wing word right now.

    Could you prove that, please? Or do we again have to go around the block several more times, before we get a clear & direct answer?

    Your comprehension is sadly lacking. Actually toying with you. I did not label Obama a Socialist. Here again, maybe the operative phrase in bold will help:
    "But to put your mind at ease, understanding the difference between a socialist and a communist, which may or may not be relevant, I do not consider Obama a communist. Happy?"
    I have no interest in discussing with you whether it is or is not relevant, or whether Obama is or isn't a Socialist. It is also off topic. icon_lol.gif
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    Christian73 saidI wonder what would happened if one of these right-wingers ran into an actual communist. I suspect they'd shit their pants. icon_lol.gif

    I don't know who "these right-wingers" are specifically, but I have in the past run into some "actual communists", who were party members in a couple of eastern block countries that no longer exist. The political system they advocated was very different from anything I think RJ members would advocate, but the economics they advocated was pretty consistent with that of some of our RJ hard lefties. The most striking difference today is the ex-communists see the failures of the economics they once advocated, something the RJ hard lefties would not comprehend.


    Actually, a mixed system of capitalism constrained by regulation and accounting for social needs led to the greatest period of economic growth in the history of our country and many Western European ones as well.

    Take a look at the Western European "social democracies" today. Not a pretty sight. Even Sweden is moving to the right. They have all seen the problem when there is too much regulation, too much government, everyone is worse off. When you focus or become obsessed with the unequal distribution of income and wealth, and use government policies to reduce differences, you can succeed in reducing such differences, but except for the poorest who cannot become even poorer, everyone else is worse off.


    As a Swedish citizen I have to chime in here. Sweden has moved to the right politically and is suffering for it but it's rather more complicated than you make it out to be. It's not really about the Swedish population thinking there is too much regulation, it's more about a) the political agenda having been hijacked by neo-liberals for the past 20 years and b) the Social-Democratic party moving towards the middle of the political spectrum (since the 90's turning increasingly neo-liberal and becoming far more interested in power than ideology and thus also going from a 40% - 50+% party to the second 30% party in that very same space of time.) At the same time the major right-wing party has adopted the rhetoric of the traditional Social-Democrats, claiming to be a "labour party", which is bollocks of course but without a good alternative people vote for them anyway since the Social-Democrats have turned into a sham that everyone's sick of and the Socialist party have become ridiculous.

    Sweden hasn't turned to the right because most people want de-regulations and privatizations (ask anyone about the de-regulation of the electricity market or the Rail and what disasters they turned out to be), Sweden moved to the right because of clever re-marketing of the right-wing parties (using traditional left-wing rhetoric to disguse right-wing politics) and a lack of credible left-wing options.

    We're not better off with a right-wing government or with less regulation and government. We're moving towards a 2/3 society where two thirds are well off, and the remaining third is becoming increasingly poorer, kind of like the US. Our school system is going to shit, segregation is increasing, less and less money is going to the care of our elders, our young and our sick. Ill people are being forced into poverty by new insurance laws and the government's inability to create new jobs is blamed on the individual who is then punished for their failure to find a job in an economy where there are no jobs to be found. We've basically moved backwards in time and this backward movement is very much coincided with the veering to the right.

    I respect your viewpoint because you are there and obviously thoughtful. With this analogy, I am certainly not comparing Sweden with the USSR, but I would take something from their transition for what it's worth. When the USSR collapsed replacing a communist political organization and socialist economic organization with more of a capitalist system under the Russian Federation, the results were disastrous. If one assumed the fundamental reason was inherent problems with capitalism versus socialism, they would draw some very inaccurate conclusions. The failure related to the lack of institutions in place, especially the legal system, as well as extensive instability and corruption. Point is individual political policies and structural problems can distort benefits that might result from an economic change.
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    Jun 19, 2011 1:33 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    Art_Deco said
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    Let me try again -- is there a Communist living in the White House? Yes or no? Can you understand a simple question, and stay on thread?

    In parallel to your quoting, I had updated my message to cover it. Hope that made your day.

    Dealing with you Republicans is like pulling teeth. You finally said, after several posts, that Obama isn't a Communist. Instead you now substitute Socialist, the favorite right-wing word right now.

    Could you prove that, please? Or do we again have to go around the block several more times, before we get a clear & direct answer?

    Your comprehension is sadly lacking. Actually toying with you. I did not label Obama a Socialist. Here again, maybe the operative phrase in bold will help:
    "But to put your mind at ease, understanding the difference between a socialist and a communist, which may or may not be relevant, I do not consider Obama a communist. Happy?"
    I have no interest in discussing with you whether it is or is not relevant, or whether Obama is or isn't a Socialist. It is also off topic. icon_lol.gif



    Okay, you don't consider our President a Socialist or a Communist. Thank you for stating that. Why then do so many Republicans believe he is?

    Is this also a wacky spin off belief "some" Republicans have (notice I said SOME here) because they are livid over the fact we have an African American President??

    You cannot deny the fact there are right-wing wackos that are incensed over the color of his skin. When will the Republican Party educate some of their own less-enlightened (and lacking in the brain department) OWN and state that it is perfectly okay to be a person of color and hold the highest office in the land? Or is it okay to give a free pass to pizza guy Herman Cain because he's an "R" and not to Barack Obama???

    Just asking.....
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    Jun 19, 2011 1:55 AM GMT
    There aren't many things that are more pathetic than stupid Republicans who are STILL worried about Communists taking over our government.
  • Webster666

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    Jun 19, 2011 1:57 AM GMT
    No.
    There's a family with brown skin living in the White House.
    I think that's what you're trying to say.
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    Jun 19, 2011 2:01 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    The political system they advocated was very different from anything I think RJ members would advocate, but the economics they advocated was pretty consistent with that of some of our RJ hard lefties..


    So "spill it", please explain in complete detail the similarities between communists and the "hard lefties" here....
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    Let me try again -- is there a Communist living in the White House? Yes or no? Can you understand a simple question, and stay on thread?

    In parallel to your quoting, I had updated my message to cover it. Hope that made your day.

    Dealing with you Republicans is like pulling teeth. You finally said, after several posts, that Obama isn't a Communist. Instead you now substitute Socialist, the favorite right-wing word right now.

    Could you prove that, please? Or do we again have to go around the block several more times, before we get a clear & direct answer?

    Your comprehension is sadly lacking. Actually toying with you. I did not label Obama a Socialist. Here again, maybe the operative phrase in bold will help:
    "But to put your mind at ease, understanding the difference between a socialist and a communist, which may or may not be relevant, I do not consider Obama a communist. Happy?"
    I have no interest in discussing with you whether it is or is not relevant, or whether Obama is or isn't a Socialist. It is also off topic. icon_lol.gif



    Okay, you don't consider our President a Socialist or a Communist. Thank you for stating that. Why then do so many Republicans believe he is?

    Is this also a wacky spin off belief "some" Republicans have (notice I said SOME here) because they are livid over the fact we have an African American President??

    You cannot deny the fact there are right-wing wackos that are incensed over the color of his skin. When will the Republican Party educate some of their own less-enlightened (and lacking in the brain department) OWN and state that it is perfectly okay to be a person of color and hold the highest office in the land? Or is it okay to give a free pass to pizza guy Herman Cain because he's an "R" and not to Barack Obama???

    Just asking.....

    Just to be clear, I stated I thought he was not a Communist, but I did not state whether on not I considered him a Socialist. My deliberate ambiguity was toying with Art_Deco. As far as being livid at Obama being African-American, I have never read such opinions from anyone on RJ, although I think I recall seeing an inappropriate cartoon once. I am sure there are real bona fide racists out there, but I have not encountered them.

    As far as Cain goes, I would consider him infinitely better than Obama. All to do with differences in ideology. When I compare Cain with the other Republicans, skin color plays no role.
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    Jun 19, 2011 2:06 AM GMT
    I guess all I needed to do is look below the first comment and wait...


    LOL

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