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  • kinetic

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    Apr 16, 2008 5:09 PM GMT
    Forgive my pun. It just came to mind and I find it attention grabbing.

    So a few days ago I received 2 issues of Instinct Magazine in the mail (I never subscribed!).
    As I was thumbing through the eye candy, articles and ads and I couldn't help but get a sense alienation. Every other ad was for a destination. For example:
    Philadelphia- Get your history straight and your nightlife gay
    Canada- Danced into the morning, conquered the city in the afternoon
    London, Vegas etc.
    Then there was this one car ad for Scion with a sexy car to the right of the spread and the words 'Tweak Show' in bold to the left on the opposing page.
    Hmmm... like that's not a blatant reference to crystal meth!..grrr...

    So what do this companies think us mo's are all about?

    Its kinda frightening to me because I know that so many people eat this stuff up. I feel like we are being forced towards this gay form of commodity fetish with these magazines and ads.
    What frightens me more is that these are the messages that young gay kids who are just discovering themselves are receiving. It's like saying, 'This is what it means to be gay.'
    It reminds me of a post I saw in another thread where a RJ member (I'm sorry I forget who it was!) said that he came across a t-shirt that said '$30,000 a year millionaire'.
    What I got from that (and what I think the poster who saw the t-shirt was trying to convey), is that there is a great deal of pressure from the 'gay media' (whatever that means) for us to live beyond our means so that we can 'look the part'.
    Also, I'm really confused by this. How does glamorizing drugs (especially meth), which I believe to be THE MOST destructive drug on the planet help us? Then again, I guess its not meant to help us. Maybe to pressure us into thinking its cool (cars and drugs??)?
    I don't get it and I know that anyone who has ever experienced the damage that drug is capable of knows where I'm coming from.
    >_<

    Now, I'm not gonna get into the sexual pressure bit too much. Although, It does sadden me that it seems gay kids get themselves into all this (sex) w/o really knowing what they are in for, but sex is too big apart of it all for me to even attempt to tackle.
    I also have mixed feelings because I like sex! icon_twisted.gif

    Now, I know that its my choice to pick up/buy a magazine -Kinda like if you don't like what yr watching on TV you can change the channel or turn it off; so please no one try that spiel w/ me. ^_^
    I'm just saying what's on my mind to try and get a better understanding of all this. Hell, the only reason why I came across this stuff is because somehow Instinct has got me on a free subscription I was unaware of! icon_eek.gif

    Anywho, here are a few more questions I pose to you:

    What 'gay' magazines do you read and why?

    Are they all the same?

    Is anyone else on the same page as me?

    What are your views on the pressures thrown our way by 'gay media'?







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    Apr 16, 2008 5:41 PM GMT
    I just look at the pictures.

    kinetic saidThen there was this one car ad for Scion with a sexy car to the right of the spread and the words 'Tweak Show' in bold to the left on the opposing page.
    Hmmm... like that's not a blatant reference to crystal meth!..grrr... Also, I'm really confused by this. How does glamorizing drugs (especially meth), which I believe to be THE MOST destructive drug on the planet help us? Then again, I guess its not meant to help us. Maybe to pressure us into thinking its cool (cars and drugs??)?




    "Tweak Show" in the context of a car ad refers to tweaking a car, making custom modifications. "Tweak" being the noun referring to the specific modification itself and "Tweaking" being the act of modifying. Your statement makes me wonder is you're the one doing the meth.icon_lol.gif I really can't fault the rest of your arguments, but that one statement seriously makes me questions any critical thinking skills you might have.
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    Apr 16, 2008 5:46 PM GMT
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    Apr 16, 2008 5:48 PM GMT
    RBY71 saidI just look at the pictures.

    Me too. Sometimes you can't even open the pages literally after a few 'reading'icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Muunrakur

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    Apr 16, 2008 5:50 PM GMT
    I am always annoyed by all the ads that show HIV+ men climbing mountains. Apparently, HIV is like having the flu nowadays, or at least thats the image these insane ads are putting out there.

    My HIV+ friends are doing much better than they would have a decade ago, thanks to the advances in medication, but you're still more likely to find them combating nausea, diarhea, fainting spells, and dealing with metabolic complications brought on by aggressive treatments. Whenever a certain friend of mine drops off the radar, I get really worried that he's taken sick and gone into hiding (I'm not sure if this is something others have experienced, but when he gets ill, he basically stops communicating with everyone and sort of 'hides' until he's better)

    I guess what I'm saying is, these guys have a life now, and its a better life than what they would have had long ago, but these ads are suggesting to younger people that HIV is no big deal, and it IS a big deal and should be taken seriously.
  • kinetic

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    Apr 16, 2008 6:02 PM GMT
    RBY71 saidI just look at the pictures.



    "Tweak Show" in the context of a car ad refers to tweaking a car, making custom modifications. "Tweak" being the noun referring to the specific modification itself and "Tweaking" being the act of modifying. Your statement makes me wonder is you're the one doing the meth. I really can't fault the rest of your arguments, but that one statement seriously makes me questions any critical thinking skills you might have.:


    I'm also a designer so I got that. And I'm savvy enough to know that an ad saying that in a magazine like Instinct, also knows that there is another connotation attached.
    Maybe I'm a little bitter towards that drug because it recently nearly killed someone very close to me, but that was a very negative and judgmental statement you made.

    No, I don't do Tina and never have, I've just watched her hurt many people around me.
    If I struck a nerve w/ my original post I apologize, but its not my 1st time to the rodeo. That's the last I'm gonna say on it.
    I ain't tryin ta h8! icon_cool.gif
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  • jarhead5536

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    Apr 16, 2008 6:04 PM GMT
    Mostly have them for use as coffee table art, nothing more. They're cheaper than Tom Bianchi photo books, and not as pornographic...

    What 'gay' magazines do you read and why? Genre, DNA, Instinct, OUT, The Advocate.

    Are they all the same? Except for The Advocate, yup.

    Is anyone else on the same page as me? The lifestyle portrayed therein is completely alien to me. Even when I was twenty-five and smokin' hot, I couldn't afford to live like that.

    What are your views on the pressures thrown our way by 'gay media'? Same as the pressure on women by fashion mags to be thin, blond and sexy! We can choose to ignore it, just like most sane women do.


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    Apr 16, 2008 6:08 PM GMT
    The ads drive the editorial which drives the ads, and so on.

    Instinct mag wants you to feel like you need something else...like you're incomplete. Then you turn the page and there's a hot little car to satisfy all your new-found insecurities about your identity.

    I got a free subscription somehow but usually end up just tossing it out.

    I guess Advocate is good though, in that it has a political leaning.
  • kinetic

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    Apr 16, 2008 6:11 PM GMT
    I can't believe I forgot about this one, but I've always liked Attitude. Especially the bit in the end where they do the 'vox-pop' questions to clubbers. Always a hoot!
    The rest I can take or leave. Although I guess the Advocate is good to keep up w/ all the political stuff.
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    Apr 16, 2008 6:25 PM GMT
    I get several. The Advocate is the best for general news. It's not ideal, but it seems the best thing out there.
    Instinct: I got a three year subscription about three years ago that I'm letting go. It's too California centric. If I lived there, it would be relevant, but I don't.
    Men or Unzipped - eye candy only.
    Used to get Genre, but it's focused so much towards the 18-25 age group (or anyone who'd describe himself or be described as twink or 'boi') that there's little there for me.
    Out: The 'People Magazine' of the gay world.
    DNA - gorgeous men and really high quality printing and you pay for it.

    There are others that I'll pick up occasionally, but those are the basics.

    As for the advertising, you have to keep two things in mind. 1. Advertisers don't target a market that generates no sales. Gay men spend more on things like travel, clothing, and other luxury 'life' accessories than the average (non-gay male) person.
    2. As long as these ads are effective in the demographic, they will continue to appear.
    If you really feel that "Harlan's Lingonberry and Royal Honey Facial Scrub" somehow gets your face cleaner than Ivory Soap, then the advertising works.
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    Apr 16, 2008 6:25 PM GMT
    Muunrakur saidI am always annoyed by all the ads that show HIV+ men climbing mountains. Apparently, HIV is like having the flu nowadays, or at least thats the image these insane ads are putting out there.

    My HIV+ friends are doing much better than they would have a decade ago, thanks to the advances in medication, but you're still more likely to find them combating nausea, diarhea, fainting spells, and dealing with metabolic complications brought on by aggressive treatments. Whenever a certain friend of mine drops off the radar, I get really worried that he's taken sick and gone into hiding (I'm not sure if this is something others have experienced, but when he gets ill, he basically stops communicating with everyone and sort of 'hides' until he's better)

    I guess what I'm saying is, these guys have a life now, and its a better life than what they would have had long ago, but these ads are suggesting to younger people that HIV is no big deal, and it IS a big deal and should be taken seriously.


    As an HIV+ guy who by no means speaks for the entire HIV+ community, I just don't understand your take on these ads.

    "I am always annoyed by all the ads that show HIV+ men climbing mountains. Apparently, HIV is like having the flu nowadays, or at least thats the image these insane ads are putting out there." To me this a little bit offensive. It suggests that HIV+ people shouldn't be portrayed enjoying the same activities and quality of life as HIV- people. I think poz people would prefer to depicted as everyone else and not marginalized in terms of what we can or cannot do or should or should not be doing.

    To me, these ads are aimed at HIV+ men and women who without medication may not be able to engage in the activities depicted in the ads. Yeah, it's marketing, but It's aimed at the guy who is having complications with his current cocktail/regimen or the guy that hasn't started meds yet because he's afraid the side effects will impact his quality of life. I'm not saying that some mentally challenged moron might see them as you are suggesting, but if they do they are damaged goods to begin with and get whatever is coming to them. (I was stupid too and got was was coming to meicon_lol.gif )

    I think these ads are great. Not every one who is HIV+ has access to and HIV specialist or and infectious disease expert. Sometimes it takes the patient asking questions about potential alternatives to their current regimen for their general practitioner or family practice doctor to explore those options with them and determine if different meds might be appropriate.

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    Apr 16, 2008 6:27 PM GMT
    My need to read fagazines is somewhere below my need to pull out my toenails with rusty pliers.

    You are what you read.

    Harpers, The Atlantic, Slate, and the NY Times Sunday Magazine are out there. So are People, Us, Maxim, Instinct, and Genre.

    It's our choice who we want to be. Nobody is "forcing" us to choose our influences.

    K



  • Muunrakur

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    Apr 16, 2008 6:55 PM GMT
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    As an HIV+ guy who by no means speaks for the entire HIV+ community, I just don't understand your take on these ads.

    "I am always annoyed by all the ads that show HIV+ men climbing mountains. Apparently, HIV is like having the flu nowadays, or at least thats the image these insane ads are putting out there." To me this a little bit offensive. It suggests that HIV+ people shouldn't be portrayed enjoying the same activities and quality of life as HIV- people. I think poz people would prefer to depicted as everyone else and not marginalized in terms of what we can or cannot do or should or should not be doing.

    To me, these ads are aimed at HIV+ men and women who without medication may not be able to engage in the activities depicted in the ads. Yeah, it's marketing, but It's aimed at the guy who is having complications with his current cocktail/regimen or the guy that hasn't started meds yet because he's afraid the side effects will impact his quality of life. I'm not saying that some mentally challenged moron might see them as you are suggesting, but if they do they are damaged goods to begin with and get whatever is coming to them. (I was stupid too and got was was coming to meicon_lol.gif )

    I think these ads are great. Not every one who is HIV+ has access to and HIV specialist or and infectious disease expert. Sometimes it takes the patient asking questions about potential alternatives to their current regimen for their general practitioner or family practice doctor to explore those options with them and determine if different meds might be appropriate.

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    I meant no offense and I apologize if thats the way my post came across. I actually KNEW when I posted it that I'd offend someone no matter how I phrased it, but I think you got some part of what I was trying to say. My frustration comes from younger guys thinking HIV is "nothing" and I believe its reinforced by these image ads.

    I hear more and more lately that HIV is making some sort of comeback in the gay community, particularly among younger guys. The root cause seems to be that people take the idea that HIV is now manageable, and turn that into "no big deal". No need for condoms now, if you contract HIV, you'll just pop a few of these pills and everything will be fine and dandy.

    btw, I don't think you "deserved" anything, you goofy bastard ;)

  • mcwclewis

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    Apr 16, 2008 6:57 PM GMT
    I got Instinct for verifying my profile here. Ill generally browse through it and add it to a rotting pile of magazines that I dont feel like throwing out, just in case I feel like getting artistic and cutting them up to make a collage, if thats spelled right.


    I think 90% of the articles are crap, and 99% of the ads are crap. I like how they have an ad for a caffienated liquor showing three men working and touching each other. It makes sense, work out, get drunk, and screw. EXACTLY what makes me want to buy a product... except not. I dont think most of the guys in these maganizes are very attractive either... they're mostly goons.

    The pressure from the media for gay men to act a part is absurd. The worst part is how many people buy into it.

    no they're not ALL the same... but most of them are. Ive seen a few that actually tackled intelligent issues and had decent articles... but hell if I can remember the name of it.
  • Muunrakur

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    Apr 16, 2008 7:01 PM GMT
    I think the Advocate is ok. When pressed to describe it, I say "Gay Newsweek"
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    Apr 16, 2008 7:22 PM GMT
    I hope I have access to any fagazines in this shady part of the worldicon_cry.gif
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    Apr 16, 2008 7:56 PM GMT
    zimatar saidI hope I have access to any fagazines in this shady part of the worldicon_cry.gif


    Maybe we should send Zim a bunch of fagazines disguised as packing material for a bulk shipment of glittery roller skates?
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    Apr 16, 2008 8:04 PM GMT
    kinetic said
    Anywho, here are a few more questions I pose to you:


    What 'gay' magazines do you read and why?
    I started receiving Instinct, Out, and Genre in the mail when I had an account on Gay.com. I didn't realize I was supposed to 'opt-out' of receiving these when I started my account. I just gave them to my roommates when they arrived.

    Are they all the same?
    Eh, to me, yes. I'd flip through them and get annoyed...

    Is anyone else on the same page as me?
    Very much so! About all of the stuff you said above. ;)

    What are your views on the pressures thrown our way by 'gay media'?
    It's just as annoying as all the other media telling me what I should look like, and wear, and drive, and listen to, and enjoy, and watch on TV.

    I like just being myself, thank you very much!





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    Apr 16, 2008 10:55 PM GMT
    My magazine list is eclectic.

    The New England Journal of Diseases That No One Really Gets But May One Day Kill You

    Gun Lovers And Their Psychiatrists
    (with a monthly centerfold!)

    Houses You Can't Afford Furnished With Uncomfortable Sofas That Cramp Your Butt After 15 Minutes

    The Dylexia of Journal

    Vacations So Exotic No One Has Ever Taken Them Yet

    The Ecdysiast

    Snot and Phlegm Monthly


    and of course

    Naked Men Who Probably Will Never Speak To The Likes Of You
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    Apr 16, 2008 10:58 PM GMT
    Jprichva: Best Post Ever nomination for that one.
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    Apr 16, 2008 11:11 PM GMT
    RBY: I understand your point, but the ads that Muunrakur is citing have been controversial for a long time for "deceptive images" and for underplaying the limitations of the drugs.

    In fact, I'm surprised this is even still an issue. I thought that most complaints of consumer groups had been addressed by the FDA or the drug industry itself.

    The "mountain climbing" ads were a big issue years ago; are they still around?...

    I can't read gay magazines. My partner subscribes to the Advocate and I find even it unreadable. Being niche publications, the magazines don't attract much advertising, so my impression is that content is even more driven by marketing than at the usual magazine.

    Then, there's the fact that gay media generally pay writers incredibly low fees and it shows in the quality of writing and thinking. For years, the gay media depended on activist zeal -- that's why I wrote a weekly gay column for 7 years -- but when gay writing became mainstreamed, nobody had the same incentive to "contribute" work for token fees. If you pick up any of the magazines mentioned here, you will not find them doing as good a job covering gay culture and politics as more mainstream media. About all they do is cover gay entertainment.

    Perhaps this is an example of the change in gay culture that Jarhead talks about.





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    Apr 16, 2008 11:12 PM GMT
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    Apr 16, 2008 11:47 PM GMT
    they have magazines about gays?

    huh?!? NOW I HAVE HEARD EVERYTHING!
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    Apr 17, 2008 12:34 AM GMT
    Well it's all a part of the gay mob mentality. Queer Eye..., Cojo and all that fan that mentality and no one who wants to be torn apart or labeled as a turncoat by the gay mob, whether they by gay themselves or not, will speak up on the mandated conformity of the gay community by commercialism after all, we're a commodity.

    We're being capitalized and exploited yet... we (the gay mob) perpetuate it for the sake of trendiness and revelry. So literature that is indeed gay but is substantive, will always have a small following at best until the mentality of the mob changes from within.

    -James R.
  • dfrourke

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    Apr 17, 2008 2:21 AM GMT
    "Muunrakur said...

    My HIV+ friends are doing much better than they would have a decade ago, thanks to the advances in medication, but you're still more likely to find them combating nausea, diarhea, fainting spells, and dealing with metabolic complications brought on by aggressive treatments."


    Somehow, I don't care to look at this ad:

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    As much as this ad:

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    ...sex sells people...we already know that...and it seems those most PR companies are happy to oversexualize our community!...

    - David icon_rolleyes.gif