clarification on 'fats'

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    Apr 16, 2008 5:09 PM GMT
    Would someone mind posting the good 'fats'?
    I've heard many different answers and would appreciate imput to come to a final answer.

    So far i've been told:

    Polyunsaturated
    Monounsaturated

    Is this correct?(Pretty much unsaturated fats)

    Thanks in advance.
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    Apr 16, 2008 7:00 PM GMT
    Good Fats

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    bad fats

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    Apr 16, 2008 7:02 PM GMT
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    Apr 16, 2008 7:05 PM GMT
    Thanks for posting a picture of my mom and sister. I dont get made fun of for it enough as it is.
  • NYCguy74

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    Apr 16, 2008 7:20 PM GMT
    You've basically got it

    Good
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    Polyunsaturated
    -Omega 3 - canola, flaxseed, walnut, and soybean oils, and oily fish like mackerel, herring, tuna, and salmon
    -Omega 6 - safflower, sunflower and corn oils

    Monounsaturated
    as DJBens said
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    Not great- but ok in reasonable amounts
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    Saturated Fats
    --animal products -- Dairy, fatty meats
    --Coconut, palm and other tropical oils





    Really Horrible- Always Avoid
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    Trans Fats
    Man made -- look for "hydrogenated *** oil" in the ingredients

    Don't just trust the nutrition label on this because of rounding.
    .4 grams of trans per serving is 0 grams on the label.





    In the body these have these effects.
    "Good" blood cholesterol = HDL
    "Bad" blood cholesterol = LDL

    unsaturated = HDL Up and LDL down
    Saturated = HDL up and LDL up
    Trans = HDL down and LDL up

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    Apr 16, 2008 7:31 PM GMT
    Saturated fats are fine as long as it comes from animals raised in a healthy way. There are numerous studies coming out now showing that all the info linking saturated fat to heart disease and all that crap really had no scientific basis. Olive oil and avocado oil contain saturated fats also btw.

    Read "Real Food" by Nina Planck for some well-documented facts on fats.
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    Apr 16, 2008 7:37 PM GMT
    Well it just made me think because sometimes i can't get enough 'calories' in one day so i was thinking i can sub it with fat, but good fat ya know? Been reading labels lately and sometimes they don't add up and i'm wondering Total fat 15g, but has 1g monounsaturated and 12g of polyunsaturated, so where's the rest of the fat?


    Toot toot! Next stop my stomach! icon_twisted.gif

    Thanks for all your replies by the way.
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    Apr 16, 2008 7:38 PM GMT
    bad fats

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    Notice how they are CHICKS! icon_eek.gif
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    Apr 16, 2008 7:49 PM GMT
    Does your body store/burn/utilize these fats differently? I know there was a big push years ago for a low fat diet. I wonder if there is still a limit that you should keep in mind in consuming fats, depsite thier label as good or bad.
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    Apr 16, 2008 7:56 PM GMT
    So that's what Patsy and Penny did when I dropped them off after Prom. They said they had to pack to go visit a sick cousin. Looks like they were taking care of each other. And to think...two more shots at the prom and they could have been mine all mine.
  • Salubrious

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    Apr 16, 2008 8:37 PM GMT
    I eat a fair amount of unsaturated fats (being a mostly vegetarian that doesn't care for milk products or egg) but when I got my cholesterol tested (my brother is 23 and had/has high cholesterol) but both my good and bad cholesterol levels were low. Are there other ways besides the "good" fats to raise my HDL?
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    Apr 16, 2008 8:53 PM GMT
    Natural, non-hydrogenated coconut oil will raise your HDL.
  • ShawnTX

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    Apr 16, 2008 9:01 PM GMT
    Try to keep your fat intake to no more than 25% of your daily caloric intake. You can break that down to:

    Saturated - less than 10%
    Polyunsaturated - more than 7.5%
    Monounsaturated - more than 7.5%
    Trans fat - 0%

    In Canada prior to 2007, nutritional labelling guidelines allowed companies to 'hide' the amount of transfat in the food product:

    Total fat 15g, but has 1g monounsaturated and 12g of polyunsaturated, so where's the rest of the fat?

    Answer - 2g trans fat

    So I'm assuming where you live the guidelines allow for less clear nutritional information.



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    Apr 16, 2008 10:39 PM GMT
    I was refering to the pack of almonds icon_eek.gif

    I was on a pretty much 'eat the least fat that you can' diet. No wonder i was having a hard time gaining weight hehe. Made me REAL lean but a pain to bulk up. We all have our experiemental stages. Just asking questions as i learn more about my body and see what others do and apply what i think would work for me. Trial and error.
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    Apr 16, 2008 10:59 PM GMT
    Fats Domino

    Fats Waller

    Minnesota Fats

    These are the good ones.
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    Apr 16, 2008 11:08 PM GMT
    Julia Child used to say that "if you eat a low-fat diet your hair will fall out, your skin will flake off, and you will end up looking like a reptile."

    I have lost a whole person worth of weight on the theory that eating good food is good for you. I avoid things that don't seem to work with my metabolism (pasta, rice, potatoes, and so on). If it moos, quacks, or can be churned I eat it.

    Tonight I was super lucky because the husband prepared a red beet and avocado salad with vinaigrette from our local olives and aceto balmsamico (the real stuff from Modena that is as thick as molasses). Then he roasted a pork loin with onions and garlic in a reduction of red wine and a little cognac. For desert he made a banana and Quark (German low-fat cottage cheese) mouse. Before bed I drank a touch of Cognac.

    Also, in the contrary to conventional wisdom column, I have dinner at 9.30 or 10.00 which is civilized but just wrong from a dietary standpoint. It still doesn't matter.

    I eat like this every single day and I have lost nearly 100 lbs. in the last couple of years.

    To me the trick is to eat good food, in limited portions, and to exercise every damned day. Also, at least I have foods that I am sort of "allergic" to i.e. pasta etc. and I just don't eat those things. No big deal.

    Cheers,
    Terry


    DJBens77 saidDoes your body store/burn/utilize these fats differently? I know there was a big push years ago for a low fat diet. I wonder if there is still a limit that you should keep in mind in consuming fats, depsite thier label as good or bad.
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    Apr 16, 2008 11:22 PM GMT
    I would actually put out for a plate of beets. MMMMMMMMmmmmmmm
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    Apr 16, 2008 11:34 PM GMT
    Yes, Beets are good!

    Ok, can someone clarify the pros and cons of eating alot of nuts (no pun intended)? I eat alot throughout the day, everyday and all kinds: Walnuts, cashews, Almonds ect.. plus the only milk I drink is almond milk (Im a vegan who hates soy.)
    Is there a such thing as too much when it comes to this? I need some expert clarification.
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    Apr 16, 2008 11:59 PM GMT
    Just a few comments for your consideration.

    Trans Fats and saturated fats are pretty much nailed down as being not all that great for the diet. Watch for the word Hydrogenated in any ingredients list, it indicates the fat has been artificially altered with hydrogen and is not good for human consumption.

    As far as the mono vs poly unsaturated fats there has been some conflicting research. The current greater amount of evidence is in favor of it shaking out in the following ways. In most studies polyunsaturated fats tend to help your body get rid of cholesterol, keep your blood lipids down and may help reduce cholesterol deposits in artery walls. Some other studies have shown that monounsaturated fats may also help reduce blood cholesterol as long as the diet is very low in saturated fat. However, monounsaturated fats were associated positively with insulin resistance and poly unsaturated's were not, basically meaning that monounsaturated fats may make your insulin less effective, not good for weight control and not good for building muscle size.

    Fish oil is a way to get some fat in your diet and provide some additional health and recovery benefits, and increase "good cholesterol" at the same time, while not having to get in the habit of eating additional fatty foods.

    According to the American Heart Association:

    Saturated fat intake should not exceed 7 percent of total calories each day. Trans fat intake should not exceed 1 percent of total calories each day.

    Total fat intake (saturated, trans, monounsaturated, polyunsaturated) should be adjusted to fit total caloric needs. Overweight people should consume no more than 30 percent of total calories from fat.

    Hope this sheds some light on the subject for you.
  • ShawnTX

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    Apr 17, 2008 1:21 AM GMT
    MikeAlva saidYes, Beets are good!

    Ok, can someone clarify the pros and cons of eating alot of nuts (no pun intended)? I eat alot throughout the day, everyday and all kinds: Walnuts, cashews, Almonds ect.. plus the only milk I drink is almond milk (Im a vegan who hates soy.)
    Is there a such thing as too much when it comes to this? I need some expert clarification.


    Nuts, especially almonds and walnuts are a good source of protein and monounsaturated fat, as well as Omega 3 and 6. They make a good late-night snack, at only about 240 per serving (1/3 cup). Almonds are the best nut source of Vitamin E and the FDA just approved the claim that eating 1.5 ounces of most nuts per day can reduce the risk of heart disease in conjunction with a diet low in cholesterol and saturated fat (less than 10%).

    The downside would be salted nuts (I'm trying to keep a straight face while typing this) and roasted nuts. Roasting nuts actually makes them go rancid.

    Edited to add:

    Peanuts are natures vacuum...they suck up all the crap in the soil.
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    Apr 17, 2008 4:09 PM GMT
    Ooh, I didnt know that about Peanuts or the whole roasted thing? Thanks for the heads up! I mostly only eat the Go Raw Trail Mix from Trader Joes. They are uncooked/ processed and have no salt added! Expensive as all hell, but soo addictive!icon_lol.gif
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    Apr 17, 2008 4:31 PM GMT
    I am going to ursamajors house for dinner from now on. Set another place at the table for me. I love eating at 9 or later, grew up that way.

    Skip the beets though. I had a roomie that ate red beet eggs all the time. apparently they are quite good for you.
  • irishboxers

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    Apr 17, 2008 4:51 PM GMT
    ursamajor said

    Tonight I was super lucky because the husband prepared a red beet and avocado salad with vinaigrette from our local olives and aceto balmsamico (the real stuff from Modena that is as thick as molasses). Then he roasted a pork loin with onions and garlic in a reduction of red wine and a little cognac. For desert he made a banana and Quark (German low-fat cottage cheese) mouse. Before bed I drank a touch of Cognac.

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    Hang on to that husband of yours, Ursa. Hard to find a man who can cook like that -- and healthy, too! When can I come over for dinner? Let me know what we're having so I can bring a good bottle of wine. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Apr 23, 2008 8:08 PM GMT
    Butter form? Where do you get it? Also, so coconut's are also good? hmmm, this is making it easier to find stuff to eat icon_twisted.gif
    Already sick of raw almonds lol