My experience with the new iMacs running Sandy Bridge

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    Jun 19, 2011 11:37 PM GMT
    Beautiful computer, still damn slow compared to my PC with a previous gen core i7. The monitor is beautiful which explains why graphic designers love Macs but personally takes too long to process any high resolution image. Its not really that slow as I make it sound, but its definitely slower than a PC. Just saying
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    Jun 20, 2011 12:19 AM GMT
    The problem: On board video + crappy special effects in OSX that you can't disable.

    If you only needed a Mac for development work, why not buy a used Mac Mini and a decent IPS LCD monitor?

    Or build a Hackintosh with a dedicated video card?
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    Jun 20, 2011 1:21 AM GMT
    xrichx saidThe problem: On board video + crappy special effects in OSX that you can't disable.

    If you only needed a Mac for development work, why not buy a used Mac Mini and a decent IPS LCD monitor?

    Or build a Hackintosh with a dedicated video card?


    Let's say it was gift. I didn't directly pay for it.
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    Jun 20, 2011 4:59 AM GMT
    Macs require alot of memory. You should have at least 4 gigs of ram in the machine..but more is always better.
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    Jun 20, 2011 10:11 AM GMT
    charlitos saidBeautiful computer, still damn slow compared to my PC with a previous gen core i7. The monitor is beautiful which explains why graphic designers love Macs but personally takes too long to process any high resolution image. Its not really that slow as I make it sound, but its definitely slower than a PC. Just saying


    I work in the graphics industry and let me tell you that a monitor isn't really something that changes my mind when it comes to buying a computer. I never understood this misconception that macs are the best graphics machines.

    Maybe in the 80s but we're well past that now.
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    Jun 20, 2011 3:43 PM GMT
    Orias said
    charlitos saidBeautiful computer, still damn slow compared to my PC with a previous gen core i7. The monitor is beautiful which explains why graphic designers love Macs but personally takes too long to process any high resolution image. Its not really that slow as I make it sound, but its definitely slower than a PC. Just saying


    I work in the graphics industry and let me tell you that a monitor isn't really something that changes my mind when it comes to buying a computer. I never understood this misconception that macs are the best graphics machines.

    Maybe in the 80s but we're well past that now.


    Im a graphic designer as well, I do have to admit that color accuracy is sometimes very important and you know we might not get them right while using shitty monitors specially for print media. In that sense I would understand any designer using Apple's screen, besides 27" LED back lit is kinda of a big deal. However you can that anywhere else. Im with you, I dont see the point on using Macs for graphic design, Macs are damn slow and the OS is way too cheesy. First thing I do when I install windows is to disable all stupid animations. Any decent size image at over 300ppi on an iMac(running the latest hardware from Intel) takes forever to process compared to my PC. You do get more info about all your image files on a Mac including nice vector files previews, with a single click(which takes forever) but thats what Adobe Bridge is for so again, no point.
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    Jun 20, 2011 4:13 PM GMT
    Charlitos, most of the animations can go bye bye with a visit to terminal. I'm not sure what program you're using for image manipulation, but Adobe has a stick up it's behind right now with Apple and hasn't been rolling out features at the clip that they have for windows since Jobs' little tirade last year. GPU support under flash and photoshop comes to mind. Adobe has also started to ignore the long accepted UI rules for MAC.

    I paid $600 for my MacMini, threw another 2 gigs of memory in it, and haven't had a single issue in two years, with a lot happy clients to show for it.


    Good luck!
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    Jun 20, 2011 4:41 PM GMT
    Ravco saidCharlitos, most of the animations can go bye bye with a visit to terminal. I'm not sure what program you're using for image manipulation, but Adobe has a stick up it's behind right now with Apple and hasn't been rolling out features at the clip that they have for windows since Jobs' little tirade last year. GPU support under flash and photoshop comes to mind. Adobe has also started to ignore the long accepted UI rules for MAC.

    I paid $600 for my MacMini, threw another 2 gigs of memory in it, and haven't had a single issue in two years, with a lot happy clients to show for it.


    Good luck!


    I'm sure most solutions are googable still I don't see this Mac faster than a PC unless u install windows on it. Customers won't know what I use to design or develop, its a matter of not feeling slowed down while doing work. Apple declared war to Adobe when they decided to not ever support flash on iOS.
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    Jun 20, 2011 4:44 PM GMT
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    Ravco saidCharlitos, most of the animations can go bye bye with a visit to terminal. I'm not sure what program you're using for image manipulation, but Adobe has a stick up it's behind right now with Apple and hasn't been rolling out features at the clip that they have for windows since Jobs' little tirade last year. GPU support under flash and photoshop comes to mind. Adobe has also started to ignore the long accepted UI rules for MAC.

    I paid $600 for my MacMini, threw another 2 gigs of memory in it, and haven't had a single issue in two years, with a lot happy clients to show for it.


    Good luck!


    I'm sure most solutions are googable still I don't see this Mac faster than a PC unless u install windows on it. Customers won't know what I use to design or develop, its a matter of not feeling slowed down while doing work. Apple declared war to Adobe when they decided to not ever support flash on iOS.


    I agree, in the end, all that matters is that they walk away happy. We could probably debate and argue about which OS is faster all day long, but ultimately it's what your comfortable in and what you prefer that counts.

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    Jun 20, 2011 5:32 PM GMT
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    Ravco saidCharlitos, most of the animations can go bye bye with a visit to terminal. I'm not sure what program you're using for image manipulation, but Adobe has a stick up it's behind right now with Apple and hasn't been rolling out features at the clip that they have for windows since Jobs' little tirade last year. GPU support under flash and photoshop comes to mind. Adobe has also started to ignore the long accepted UI rules for MAC.

    I paid $600 for my MacMini, threw another 2 gigs of memory in it, and haven't had a single issue in two years, with a lot happy clients to show for it.


    Good luck!


    I'm sure most solutions are googable still I don't see this Mac faster than a PC unless u install windows on it. Customers won't know what I use to design or develop, its a matter of not feeling slowed down while doing work. Apple declared war to Adobe when they decided to not ever support flash on iOS.


    I agree, in the end, all that matters is that they walk away happy. We could probably debate and argue about which OS is faster all day long, but ultimately it's what your comfortable in and what you prefer that counts.

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    yup, mac vs windows is a hot topic, Im giving Mac a chance but so far I wont be doing any heavy design work on my iMac only app development.
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    Jun 20, 2011 5:56 PM GMT
    Just out of curiosity, but has anyone switched back from Mac to PC? I have my 4-year-old MacBook, but I was pleasantly surprised how good my Dad's PC (Win 7) was the other day.
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    Jun 20, 2011 6:05 PM GMT
    daishirj saidJust out of curiosity, but has anyone switched back from Mac to PC? I have my 4-year-old MacBook, but I was pleasantly surprised how good my Dad's PC (Win 7) was the other day.


    I know a few DJs who are not longer using MacBook Pros since Windows 7. Vista was pretty unreliable for the task but since Windows 7 the same cannot be said. So right now spending $2000+ on any laptop seems like an absolute waste of money.
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    Jun 20, 2011 6:06 PM GMT
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    daishirj saidJust out of curiosity, but has anyone switched back from Mac to PC? I have my 4-year-old MacBook, but I was pleasantly surprised how good my Dad's PC (Win 7) was the other day.


    I know a few DJs who are not longer using MacBook Pros since Windows 7. Vista was pretty unreliable for the task but since Windows 7 the same cannot be said. So right now spending $2000+ on any laptop seems like an absolute waste of money.


    If you came with the laptop to program it wouldnt be...

    (sorry, couldnt help myself)
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    Jun 20, 2011 6:21 PM GMT
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    charlitos said
    daishirj saidJust out of curiosity, but has anyone switched back from Mac to PC? I have my 4-year-old MacBook, but I was pleasantly surprised how good my Dad's PC (Win 7) was the other day.


    I know a few DJs who are not longer using MacBook Pros since Windows 7. Vista was pretty unreliable for the task but since Windows 7 the same cannot be said. So right now spending $2000+ on any laptop seems like an absolute waste of money.


    If you came with the laptop to program it wouldnt be...

    (sorry, couldnt help myself)


    To develop u can get any Mac doesn't have to be a mpro....they're expensive man
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    Jun 20, 2011 6:23 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    charlitos said
    daishirj saidJust out of curiosity, but has anyone switched back from Mac to PC? I have my 4-year-old MacBook, but I was pleasantly surprised how good my Dad's PC (Win 7) was the other day.


    I know a few DJs who are not longer using MacBook Pros since Windows 7. Vista was pretty unreliable for the task but since Windows 7 the same cannot be said. So right now spending $2000+ on any laptop seems like an absolute waste of money.


    If you came with the laptop to program it wouldnt be...

    (sorry, couldnt help myself)
    Better you than me.

    I don't see myself ever buying an Apple computer. Apple makes some great mobile devices, but I just am not the audience for their computers. I game, period, and Apple still just doesn't do that market well. It's gotten better as more and more developers have begun to support the platform, but quite frankly when people make PC games, Windows is the focus.

    No to mention the prices... you can get better specced machines for nearly half the price at times.
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    Jun 20, 2011 7:30 PM GMT
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    Chainers said
    charlitos said
    daishirj saidJust out of curiosity, but has anyone switched back from Mac to PC? I have my 4-year-old MacBook, but I was pleasantly surprised how good my Dad's PC (Win 7) was the other day.


    I know a few DJs who are not longer using MacBook Pros since Windows 7. Vista was pretty unreliable for the task but since Windows 7 the same cannot be said. So right now spending $2000+ on any laptop seems like an absolute waste of money.


    If you came with the laptop to program it wouldnt be...

    (sorry, couldnt help myself)
    Better you than me.

    I don't see myself ever buying an Apple computer. Apple makes some great mobile devices, but I just am not the audience for their computers. I game, period, and Apple still just doesn't do that market well. It's gotten better as more and more developers have begun to support the platform, but quite frankly when people make PC games, Windows is the focus.

    No to mention the prices... you can get better specced machines for nearly half the price at times.


    Some would argue that can always boot up windows to play your games...however for the price of a Mac I can build a fucking moster doing tripple SLI and still have money left to buy games and accessories lol
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    Jun 20, 2011 7:30 PM GMT
    charlitos said
    Chainers said
    charlitos said
    daishirj saidJust out of curiosity, but has anyone switched back from Mac to PC? I have my 4-year-old MacBook, but I was pleasantly surprised how good my Dad's PC (Win 7) was the other day.


    I know a few DJs who are not longer using MacBook Pros since Windows 7. Vista was pretty unreliable for the task but since Windows 7 the same cannot be said. So right now spending $2000+ on any laptop seems like an absolute waste of money.


    If you came with the laptop to program it wouldnt be...

    (sorry, couldnt help myself)


    To develop u can get any Mac doesn't have to be a mpro....they're expensive man


    I have no idea what you mean here. I was just saying I would buy a mac if I got you too...
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    Jun 20, 2011 7:40 PM GMT
    Chainers said
    charlitos said
    Chainers said
    charlitos said
    daishirj saidJust out of curiosity, but has anyone switched back from Mac to PC? I have my 4-year-old MacBook, but I was pleasantly surprised how good my Dad's PC (Win 7) was the other day.


    I know a few DJs who are not longer using MacBook Pros since Windows 7. Vista was pretty unreliable for the task but since Windows 7 the same cannot be said. So right now spending $2000+ on any laptop seems like an absolute waste of money.


    If you came with the laptop to program it wouldnt be...

    (sorry, couldnt help myself)


    To develop u can get any Mac doesn't have to be a mpro....they're expensive man


    I have no idea what you mean here. I was just saying I would buy a mac if I got you too...


    lol Im an idiot, i read this on my phone at the gym(with a pre-workout in my system) and I thought you meant a Mac would be worth it if it was for development purposes.
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    Jun 20, 2011 7:43 PM GMT
    charlitos said
    Chainers said
    charlitos said
    Chainers said
    charlitos said
    daishirj saidJust out of curiosity, but has anyone switched back from Mac to PC? I have my 4-year-old MacBook, but I was pleasantly surprised how good my Dad's PC (Win 7) was the other day.


    I know a few DJs who are not longer using MacBook Pros since Windows 7. Vista was pretty unreliable for the task but since Windows 7 the same cannot be said. So right now spending $2000+ on any laptop seems like an absolute waste of money.


    If you came with the laptop to program it wouldnt be...

    (sorry, couldnt help myself)


    To develop u can get any Mac doesn't have to be a mpro....they're expensive man


    I have no idea what you mean here. I was just saying I would buy a mac if I got you too...


    lol Im an idiot, i read this on my phone at the gym(with a pre-workout in my system) and I thought you meant a Mac would be worth it if it was for development purposes.


    Its ok, we still love you.
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    Jun 21, 2011 2:47 AM GMT
    Here's another funny observation about OSX. Windows XP runs circles around OSX.. while running in Parallels. I couldn't believe how fast/responsive it was. Searching for files, web browsing, editing Office docs. Unbelievable. Honestly, I do like OSX, but Apple really needs to cut the bloat.
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    Jun 21, 2011 3:03 AM GMT
    Although I personally MUCH prefer OS X to Windows, I will say that it could run a little more efficiently. That doesn't mean that I think Windows 7 will make your system run faster, because I don't.

    There are so many other factors to consider besides the CPU alone. Most good graphics cards are now used for acceleration, so the card is going to play a good roll in speed. Also, the amount of RAM in your system, the RAM's speed, the system's cache, Board FSB and BIOS settings are all large factors for consideration.

    Of course Windows XP is going to run faster than Snow leopard because XP is OLD! XP cannot do most of the things that OS X can do and is, therefore, a lot less resource hungry. This allows it to perform basic tasks quickly. However, if you were to run a new, modern, resource intensive program on it, you would find it suffers greatly in performance.

    Having said that, I am running the Newest Developer Preview of OS X Lion (10.7), and I find it to be much speedier than Snow Leopard.

    Now, if speed is what you are looking for... Linux is the way to go! Running Ubuntu Natty on my Macbook Pro using a Kernel I custom compiled and Preload, run CIRCLES around both Windows and OS X.

    P.S. The main thing I hate about windows is Viruses, Malware, crappy design, and complicated packaging of program files. It's over stimulating! JMHO. OH - And let's not forget the 74836473 errors and freezes Windows never seems to be able to sort out.
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    Jun 21, 2011 4:51 AM GMT
    justcuriousRJ saidAlthough I personally MUCH prefer OS X to Windows, I will say that it could run a little more efficiently. That doesn't mean that I think Windows 7 will make your system run faster, because I don't.

    There are so many other factors to consider besides the CPU alone. Most good graphics cards are now used for acceleration, so the card is going to play a good roll in speed. Also, the amount of RAM in your system, the RAM's speed, the system's cache, Board FSB and BIOS settings are all large factors for consideration.

    Of course Windows XP is going to run faster than Snow leopard because XP is OLD! XP cannot do most of the things that OS X can do and is, therefore, a lot less resource hungry. This allows it to perform basic tasks quickly. However, if you were to run a new, modern, resource intensive program on it, you would find it suffers greatly in performance.

    Having said that, I am running the Newest Developer Preview of OS X Lion (10.7), and I find it to be much speedier than Snow Leopard.

    Now, if speed is what you are looking for... Linux is the way to go! Running Ubuntu Natty on my Macbook Pro using a Kernel I custom compiled and Preload, run CIRCLES around both Windows and OS X.

    P.S. The main thing I hate about windows is Viruses, Malware, crappy design, and complicated packaging of program files. It's over stimulating! JMHO. OH - And let's not forget the 74836473 errors and freezes Windows never seems to be able to sort out.


    Linux still lacks support and most work arounds will eventually slow down ur system unless u really know what ure doing and have enough time in ur hands to mod it. Seriously most people hate reading assembly trying to figure out how to make ur hardware work properly.

    As for windows XP being old, it's true it's a lacky system that's why it got discontinued but well I personally use W7 which is by far faster than OSX and can do just as much and even more. That's from my psonal experience unless someone actually spent $5000 on a Mac Pro and can say otherwise but again with $5000....oh PC
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    Jun 21, 2011 7:22 AM GMT
    In order to even begin comparing these two Operating Systems in regards to speed (W7 vs. OS X), you'd need to start by running them on the exact same hardware. You stated that your W7 is running on different hardware, so from a scientific viewpoint your comparitive results can only be inconclusive at best.

    If you are really interested in which OS runs faster, try installing W7 on your Mac using a dual boot partition (not in Parallel or any other VM ware, as that would make the two OS's split/share hardware assets like CPU and RAM). I haven't done this with Windows 7 yet, so I cannot accurately state any results.

    Also, it is very fair to say that an OS will perform differently on different hardware. A system with last years CPU, GPU, etc., might be more compatible with a certain OS's programming code than a newer chip would be, in some cases.

    'Speed' is also affected by how the program/app being used at the time is coded. Specifically, whether or not the programming code is fully utilizing your CPU/GPU features. This will, of course, depend on the app developer and the hardware you are running.

    There are too vast a number of variables at hand to ever be able to state 100%, without a doubt, that one OS is faster than another. Mainly because speed will vary from one app to the next. That, and terms like "fast" and "speed" are far too broad to be measured.

    Feature wise, it took me a little bit to become accustomed to OS X when coming from many years of using Windows. Once I did, and in the time since, I have found more useful features in OS X than I did in Windows. I would image this opinion would vary from person to person though, depending on what features you require most.

    With regard to Linux, you are not quite correct. I can tell you haven't used Linux much, if at all. Ubuntu, the largest Linux distro, has an open source community comprised of millions of users. And that is just one distribution out of many (there are Linux distos to fit just about every lifestyle and personality). The Linux market share is just behind, if not dead even with, Mac OS X (Source: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/debunking-the-1-myth.html).

    Ubuntu Linux is known for its support community. And with regard to software, it natively supports more apps than you might think. It also has open source alternatives (some which I have found to be better than their proprietary rivals) to pretty much every app/program you can imagine... and even some you can't. Not to mention Wine support, which allows Linux users to run programs made for Windows. Though, I've yet to have to use Wine.

    Linux is also great for programming and has amazing security (think government level), which is where its roots are. With Ubuntu however, the system has become very user friendly, elegant, and more often than not, it will work right out of the box.

    Ubuntu was also the first to integrate Cloud support into its OS. Something Windows and Mac are playing catch up on at the moment. It really is very smart, intuitive, and globally renowned for its efficiency. The Linux kernel and open source drivers take advantage of features on the CPU/GPU of my old Laptop and Desktops that I didn't even know they posessed! They run and feel like new again because they are programmed to be less resource hungry.

    So... Linux is no longer confined to programmers and government agencies, as many believe (the Android OS is actually Linux). icon_smile.gif

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