IS THE GAY COMMUNITY BETTER OFF TODAY THAN WE WERE FOUR YEARS AGO?

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    Jun 21, 2011 1:55 PM GMT
    IMO Yes. The Obama administration has done more for the gay community than any other president.
  • Bigolbear

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    Jun 21, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidIMO Yes. The Obama administration has done more for the gay community than any other president.


    Like what? He still hasn't "officially" come out in support of marriage equality. DADT is still in place. (edited for clarity)
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    Jun 21, 2011 2:34 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidIMO Yes. The Obama administration has done more for the gay community than any other president.


    Yes. But Barry has zero to do with it. He is still a colossal douche.
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    Jun 21, 2011 2:47 PM GMT
    What has he done for gays?

    Not that I want him to - when politicians want to "do things for us," I am wary.
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    Jun 21, 2011 2:49 PM GMT
    JackNWNJ saidWhat has he done for gays?

    Not that I want him to - when politicians want to "do things for us," I am wary.


    I am also wary of politicians who want to do things for us, because little ever comes to pass once they are in power.
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    Jun 21, 2011 2:51 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie said
    JackNWNJ saidWhat has he done for gays?

    Not that I want him to - when politicians want to "do things for us," I am wary.


    I am also wary of politicians who want to do things for us, because little ever comes to pass once they are in power.


    Its actually kinda stupid for a politician to do anything for the gay community. Its a lose/lose unless there is massive public support for whatever it is they want to support. And there is no reason for them to do it from a vote perspective.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 21, 2011 3:42 PM GMT
    Bigolbear said. DADT still isn't in place yet.


    And when it's completely repealed this year, will you email me and take that back? His ink is on the legislation! And BTW, you got it backwards. It's "DADT is still in place." icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 21, 2011 3:45 PM GMT
    I'd say yes, but it has nothing to do with politics. We are becoming more and more visible everyday and that visibility is making it harder for people to ignore our existence and humanity. In communities everywhere momentum is building. Every day men and women are coming out and demanding to be seen and respected, and IMO it is changing the general publics perception of GLBTs.
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    Jun 21, 2011 3:46 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    catfish5 saidIMO Yes. The Obama administration has done more for the gay community than any other president.


    Sure.... all that legislation that he signed into law..... it really makes anyone who is thinking about committing a crime against a gay think twice, lest the full wrath of the anti-hate crime laws come into play. icon_rolleyes.gif

    But let's just keep parrotting the line that Obama and the Democrats have done more for "the gays" than any other people in history.... Gotta keep "the gays" buying into the lie as election day is coming up....

    BTW... Why is this topic title in ALL CAPS????



    Oh, but you conservatives are very quick to point out Republican Presidential candidates (and others who aren't running) who have come out in support of gay marriage or civil unions. Sheesh....
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    Jun 21, 2011 3:46 PM GMT
    catfish5 saidIMO Yes. The Obama administration has done more for the gay community than any other president.


    I agree. Most people are to dense to understand that anything he does for gays will come in the second term......he already restructured the healthcare system.....you dont want to change too many things too quickly or you willnot get a second term.
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    southbeach1500 said
    catfish5 saidIMO Yes. The Obama administration has done more for the gay community than any other president.


    Sure.... all that legislation that he signed into law..... it really makes anyone who is thinking about committing a crime against a gay think twice, lest the full wrath of the anti-hate crime laws come into play. icon_rolleyes.gif

    But let's just keep parrotting the line that Obama and the Democrats have done more for "the gays" than any other people in history.... Gotta keep "the gays" buying into the lie as election day is coming up....

    BTW... Why is this topic title in ALL CAPS????



    why do you hate black people so much southbeach?
  • tazzari

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    Jun 21, 2011 3:49 PM GMT
    Of course we're better off. We have a president who is sympathetic, not anti-, more and more anti-gay bullying is being challenged, people are more likely to be disgusted with homophobic politicians and blowahrds, and we are more and more visible.

    We've done most of it ourselves, by being out and getting on with life - but we have created and atmosphere where politicians don't "need" be be anti and where gay bashing is no longer acceptable to the majority, whether verbal or physical.

    Much remains to be done, and I'm glad we have a president who if he isn't directly "pro-gay" is open to change and acceptance.

    Just think where we'd have been with McCain and Palin, then ask the question! Or where we'd be with any of the GOP wanna-be's.
  • Bigolbear

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    Jun 21, 2011 3:51 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    Bigolbear said. DADT still isn't in place yet.


    And when it's completely repealed this year, will you email me and take that back? His ink is on the legislation! And BTW, you got it backwards. It's "DADT is still in place." icon_rolleyes.gif


    DOH!! I did get it backwards, and yes I will give him proper credit when it is repealed.
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    Jun 21, 2011 3:57 PM GMT
    tazzari saidOf course we're better off. We have a president who is sympathetic, not anti-, more and more anti-gay bullying is being challenged, people are more likely to be disgusted with homophobic politicians and blowahrds, and we are more and more visible.

    We've done most of it ourselves, by being out and getting on with life - but we have created and atmosphere where politicians don't "need" be be anti and where gay bashing is no longer acceptable to the majority, whether verbal or physical.

    Much remains to be done, and I'm glad we have a president who if he isn't directly "pro-gay" is open to change and acceptance.

    Just think where we'd have been with McCain and Palin, then ask the question! Or where we'd be with any of the GOP wanna-be's.


    second that!! u r so right...i mean president baracky isn't the most pro-gay but he isn't advocating against gay marriage and discrimination...like some GOP do..i live in tn and trust I legislators here are not afraid to discriminate against the gay community...not it all...i can't imagine if a GOP won the presidency what it would be like...i mean it doesn't necessarily mean that he/she is gonna rally against gays but he/she would be pressured by all his counterparts to support them in anti-gay propaganda...just my opinon
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    Jun 21, 2011 4:32 PM GMT
    Bigolbear saidDOH!! I did get it backwards, and yes I will give him proper credit when it is repealed.


    Minor pedantry: the legislation that passed both houses of Congress, and was signed by the President, did repeal DADT, but it didn't take effect immediately. Instead, the bill gave the military time to make a more gradual shift, and we're in that transitional period now.
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    Jun 21, 2011 4:34 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    dannylv saidi mean president baracky isn't the most pro-gay but he isn't advocating against gay marriage and discrimination...like some GOP do





    southbeach, this illustrates exactly how dishonest you are. To make an analogy, it's like you're trying to say that Katrina is still a hurricane battering New Orleans. The weather has changed since then...acknowledge the facts! Give credit where credit is due, otherwise, you're just a political hack.
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    Jun 21, 2011 4:49 PM GMT
    dekiruman said
    catfish5 saidIMO Yes. The Obama administration has done more for the gay community than any other president.


    I agree. Most people are to dense to understand that anything he does for gays will come in the second term......he already restructured the healthcare system.....you dont want to change too many things too quickly or you willnot get a second term.


    Except when Obama defends DOMA. I agree a lot of gays are dense when it comes to the facts. Especially as it relates to Obama. Sad. They should be more aware of what he has done to them and not just for them.

    From Mass:

    Ruling in two cases, the judge found that DOMA encroaches on Massachusetts’ right to grant benefits to same-sex married couples that are already afforded to heterosexual couples. In one case, brought by state Attorney General Martha Coakley, the judge found that the 1996 law forces Massachusetts to discriminate against some of its own citizens – gay married couples – in order to receive federal money for programs such as Medicaid. Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2004.

    “This court has determined that it is clearly within the authority of the commonwealth to recognize same-sex marriages among its residents, and to afford those individuals in same-sex marriages any benefits, rights, and privileges to which they are entitled by virtue of their marital status,” Tauro wrote. “The federal government, by enacting and enforcing DOMA, plainly encroaches upon the firmly entrenched province of the state
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    Jun 21, 2011 4:56 PM GMT
    Yes. Anything is better than freaking Bush/Cheney...8 years of not so splendid hell.
  • rioriz

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    Jun 21, 2011 5:16 PM GMT
    RudeMech saidI'd say yes, but it has nothing to do with politics. We are becoming more and more visible everyday and that visibility is making it harder for people to ignore our existence and humanity. In communities everywhere momentum is building. Every day men and women are coming out and demanding to be seen and respected, and IMO it is changing the general publics perception of GLBTs.


    Exactly!!! Politicians don't change peoples mind, if anything they make it worse.
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    Jun 21, 2011 5:22 PM GMT
    If anything, the quote unquote "fight for gay rights" is more profitable than ever. Whether or not the fight is closer to being won it's at least being exploited for people's financial gain.
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    Jun 21, 2011 5:44 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    dekiruman said
    southbeach1500 said
    catfish5 saidIMO Yes. The Obama administration has done more for the gay community than any other president.


    Sure.... all that legislation that he signed into law..... it really makes anyone who is thinking about committing a crime against a gay think twice, lest the full wrath of the anti-hate crime laws come into play. icon_rolleyes.gif

    But let's just keep parrotting the line that Obama and the Democrats have done more for "the gays" than any other people in history.... Gotta keep "the gays" buying into the lie as election day is coming up....

    BTW... Why is this topic title in ALL CAPS????



    why do you hate black people so much southbeach?



    OK, so you're now calling me a racist. Lovely. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Why are you here?
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 21, 2011 6:58 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    FACT: Obama during the campaign in no uncertain terms said marriage is between a man and a woman.

    FACT: Obama has not changed his mind since.

    CONCLUSION: Obama is not for gay marriage.


    Well, since you want to live in the past, why not go back to 1996?

    "In 1996, as a candidate for the State Senate in Illinois, Mr. Obama responded to a questionnaire from a gay newspaper. 'I favor legalizing same-sex marriages,' Mr. Obama wrote, “and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.'”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43454746/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/

    And now he has stopped the role of the federal government in defending DOMA on the grounds that the law infringes on civil rights.

    On a related note, how is it that Obama's view on marriage equality, although "evolving", is somehow a categorical disqualifier for all the pro-gay rights things he has accomplished? It's just like the typical Republican political strategy: keep moving the goal posts further away in order to not recognize his accomplishments.
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    Jun 21, 2011 7:04 PM GMT
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    catfish5 saidIMO Yes. The Obama administration has done more for the gay community than any other president.


    Sure.... all that legislation that he signed into law..... it really makes anyone who is thinking about committing a crime against a gay think twice, lest the full wrath of the anti-hate crime laws come into play. icon_rolleyes.gif

    But let's just keep parrotting the line that Obama and the Democrats have done more for "the gays" than any other people in history.... Gotta keep "the gays" buying into the lie as election day is coming up....

    BTW... Why is this topic title in ALL CAPS????



    why do you hate black people so much southbeach?



    OK, so you're now calling me a racist. Lovely. icon_rolleyes.gif


    yes, and I have no evidence to support it either!!!!!!! I figure, why should you be the only one to have all the fun! icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 21, 2011 7:27 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    southbeach1500 said
    FACT: Obama during the campaign in no uncertain terms said marriage is between a man and a woman.

    FACT: Obama has not changed his mind since.

    CONCLUSION: Obama is not for gay marriage.


    Well, since you want to live in the past, why not go back to 1996?

    "In 1996, as a candidate for the State Senate in Illinois, Mr. Obama responded to a questionnaire from a gay newspaper. 'I favor legalizing same-sex marriages,' Mr. Obama wrote, “and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.'”

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43454746/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/

    And now he has stopped the role of the federal government in defending DOMA on the grounds that the law infringes on civil rights.

    On a related note, how is it that Obama's view on marriage equality, although "evolving", is somehow a categorical disqualifier for all the pro-gay rights things he has accomplished? It's just like the typical Republican political strategy: keep moving the goal posts further away in order to not recognize his accomplishments.


    Im sorry, but that is like saying he his nice to jews because he doesnt burn them, he just puts them in camps (ok, that was heavy handed).

    Obama spent the first half of his term defending DOMA to the hilt. And now, because after he caused so much damage you want to thank him for his "accomplishment"?

    He is not what I would call anti gay. But what I dont understand from you guys on the left is why your memory is so short. Its not republicans that move the goal post further away, its the liberals who move it closer in order to justify the president they voted for.
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    Jun 21, 2011 7:30 PM GMT
    dekiruman said
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    catfish5 saidIMO Yes. The Obama administration has done more for the gay community than any other president.


    Sure.... all that legislation that he signed into law..... it really makes anyone who is thinking about committing a crime against a gay think twice, lest the full wrath of the anti-hate crime laws come into play. icon_rolleyes.gif

    But let's just keep parrotting the line that Obama and the Democrats have done more for "the gays" than any other people in history.... Gotta keep "the gays" buying into the lie as election day is coming up....

    BTW... Why is this topic title in ALL CAPS????



    why do you hate black people so much southbeach?



    OK, so you're now calling me a racist. Lovely. icon_rolleyes.gif


    yes, and I have no evidence to support it either!!!!!!! I figure, why should you be the only one to have all the fun! icon_wink.gif


    O.M.G!!! PERFECT!!!!

    Shut you right up Southie!!!!!!!! Can't wait to see what emoticon ya chose for this one!!!!!!!!!!

    Why are you here?