As Incandescent Bulb Ban Looms, Opposition Grows

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    Jun 22, 2011 3:49 PM GMT
    Because you are too stupid to be allowed to choose what kind of light bulb you can buy.

    http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/576009/201106211745/Light-Bulb-Ban-and8212-A-Bright-Idea-.htm

    The Energy Bill of 2007 phases out incandescent bulbs, with the 100-watt banned in January 2012. The ban hits the 75-watt bulb in January 2013, and 60- and 40- watt bulbs in January '14.

    Compact fluorescent lamp bulbs are more expensive than traditional bulbs, but use less energy and are supposed to last longer. Users should save money in the long term, supporters say.

    But many Americans complain that the light from CFLs lacks the yellow warmth of incandescents and natural light. CFLs can take a long time to warm up as well.

    Tests have shown that on-off use can reduce CFLs' life span significantly, sometimes even below that of an incandescent. CFLs also contain toxic mercury.
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:23 PM GMT
    we need moar LED light bulbs.
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:32 PM GMT
    alphatrigger saidwe need moar LED light bulbs.


    We need more choice and competition. Who does these regulations benefit the most? Connected companies like... GE. Who does it hurt? Those with the least amount of income who still need to buy light bulbs unless the goal is to make them sit in the dark.
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:36 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    alphatrigger saidwe need moar LED light bulbs.


    We need more choice and competition. Who does these regulations benefit the most? Connected companies like... GE. Who does it hurt? Those with the least amount of income who still need to buy light bulbs unless the goal is to make them sit in the dark.


    no americans are just bitching because the light is not yellow. What a first world problem. We do need more LED bulbs and there are a ton of people in this country who ARE too stupid to pick out their own light bulbs.
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:40 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    alphatrigger saidwe need moar LED light bulbs.


    We need more choice and competition. Who does these regulations benefit the most? Connected companies like... GE. Who does it hurt? Those with the least amount of income who still need to buy light bulbs unless the goal is to make them sit in the dark.


    no americans are just bitching because the light is not yellow. What a first world problem. We do need more LED bulbs and there are a ton of people in this country who ARE too stupid to pick out their own light bulbs.


    Then why bother letting them vote or make any decisions for themselves?
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:45 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    dekiruman said
    riddler78 said
    alphatrigger saidwe need moar LED light bulbs.


    We need more choice and competition. Who does these regulations benefit the most? Connected companies like... GE. Who does it hurt? Those with the least amount of income who still need to buy light bulbs unless the goal is to make them sit in the dark.


    no americans are just bitching because the light is not yellow. What a first world problem. We do need more LED bulbs and there are a ton of people in this country who ARE too stupid to pick out their own light bulbs.


    Then why bother letting them vote or make any decisions for themselves?



    Because most of these people have no understanding of how different types of bulbs even work. The don't know what impact different bulbs have on the environment or the long term future of American energy use. I'm not saying they are too stupid to make decisions about everything......but in matters like this, yes they are. If all these physicists spent all this time determining the efficiency of these bulbs.... why would anyone want to go against that?
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:45 PM GMT
    dekiruman saidBecause most of these people have no understanding of how different types of bulbs even work. The don't know what impact different bulbs have on the environment or the long term future of American energy use. I'm not saying they are too stupid to make decisions about everything......but in matters like this, yes they are. If all these physicists spent all this time determining the efficiency of these bulbs.... why would anyone want to go against that?


    And voting is easier?
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:46 PM GMT
    Texas told the government to F-off with the lightbulb BS. Good on 'em. That's one reason why Texas has created more jobs than any other state in the USA since the downturn.
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:47 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    alphatrigger saidwe need moar LED light bulbs.


    We need more choice and competition. Who does these regulations benefit the most? Connected companies like... GE. Who does it hurt? Those with the least amount of income who still need to buy light bulbs unless the goal is to make them sit in the dark.


    You are just as bad as people who drive around in Hummer's just because "they can"
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:53 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    alphatrigger saidwe need moar LED light bulbs.


    We need more choice and competition. Who does these regulations benefit the most? Connected companies like... GE. Who does it hurt? Those with the least amount of income who still need to buy light bulbs unless the goal is to make them sit in the dark.


    You are just as bad as people who drive around in Hummer's just because "they can"


    How so? It's unclear that incandescents are worse than fluorescents in some cases especially considering the mercury. As the article points out, they don't always last as long as claimed because their lives are reduced when they need to be turned on and off frequently. Speak for yourself. Are you saying you're too stupid to choose what light bulb to buy?

    What is clear however is that they are multiples the cost of incandescents. Why do you hate the poor who are already worse off because of this recession?
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:55 PM GMT
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    riddler78 said
    alphatrigger saidwe need moar LED light bulbs.


    We need more choice and competition. Who does these regulations benefit the most? Connected companies like... GE. Who does it hurt? Those with the least amount of income who still need to buy light bulbs unless the goal is to make them sit in the dark.


    You are just as bad as people who drive around in Hummer's just because "they can"


    People always do what they"can." If someone wants to drive around in Hummer's [sic], that's their business - they pay for the gas and insurance (which is no bargain for those vehicles). It's a choice.
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:56 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    alphatrigger saidwe need moar LED light bulbs.

    We need more choice and competition. Who does these regulations benefit the most? Connected companies like... GE. Who does it hurt? Those with the least amount of income who still need to buy light bulbs unless the goal is to make them sit in the dark.

    No less competition than when incandescents were the only choice we had for socketed light bulbs. And changing to energy-efficient CFL & LEDs will hurt Big Oil and Gas, who will lose some sales, not the individual consumer, who will save some money.

    Both in operating costs, and in bulb replacement costs. As for color temperature, current CFLs now offer choices, so you can either have that "operating room" white glare that I personally hate, or softer lighting shades.

    GE always made our conventional light bulbs - it's how the company started. And they're making these new kinds of bulbs, are are lots of other companies, too, which does give the consumer choice, stimulating market competition for price.

    The only drawback I see is environmental & personal hazard from CFLs. So that LEDs may be the next step, as that technology gets better and the prices drop, just like they've done for CFLs.

    Our home is almost totally CFL and traditional fluorescent tubes now (the latter in the kitchen), with only a few tiny quartz accent bulbs left that don't have replacement options at present (perhaps the LEDs will do that). And since I made the switch our electric bill has noticeably decreased.

    I don't see what's not to like, except an arbitrary case about "choice." As I said, I never had choice before in light bulb type, why would this be different?
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:57 PM GMT
    JackNWNJ said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    riddler78 said
    alphatrigger saidwe need moar LED light bulbs.


    We need more choice and competition. Who does these regulations benefit the most? Connected companies like... GE. Who does it hurt? Those with the least amount of income who still need to buy light bulbs unless the goal is to make them sit in the dark.


    You are just as bad as people who drive around in Hummer's just because "they can"


    People always do what they"can." If someone wants to drive around in Hummer's [sic], that's their business - they pay for the gas and insurance (which is no bargain for those vehicles). It's a choice.


    Exactly this.
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:01 PM GMT
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    dekiruman saidBecause most of these people have no understanding of how different types of bulbs even work. The don't know what impact different bulbs have on the environment or the long term future of American energy use. I'm not saying they are too stupid to make decisions about everything......but in matters like this, yes they are. If all these physicists spent all this time determining the efficiency of these bulbs.... why would anyone want to go against that?


    And voting is easier?


    yes.
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    dekiruman saidBecause most of these people have no understanding of how different types of bulbs even work. The don't know what impact different bulbs have on the environment or the long term future of American energy use. I'm not saying they are too stupid to make decisions about everything......but in matters like this, yes they are. If all these physicists spent all this time determining the efficiency of these bulbs.... why would anyone want to go against that?


    And voting is easier?


    yes.


    Good - because it appears the opposition is growing sufficiently that people will vote to change the law. But back to you - are you saying you are too stupid to make the choice of which light to choose?
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:04 PM GMT
    I think that as a general population....people are pigs. Ever looked at a park after any type of event? MESS. Why? People are LAZY.

    Its up to responsible people to say HEY- do the right thing. Just as cities have no littering ordinances to prevent people from making the CHOICE of throwing their shit anywhere. Now we have one that says "HEY ASSHOLE-DO THE RIGHT THING AND SPEND 2 CENTS MORE TO BUY THE RIGHT FUCKING LIGHT BULB"

    On the bright side- you can still choose what wattage you want to buy or what color icon_smile.gif
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    riddler78 said
    dekiruman said
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    dekiruman saidBecause most of these people have no understanding of how different types of bulbs even work. The don't know what impact different bulbs have on the environment or the long term future of American energy use. I'm not saying they are too stupid to make decisions about everything......but in matters like this, yes they are. If all these physicists spent all this time determining the efficiency of these bulbs.... why would anyone want to go against that?


    And voting is easier?


    yes.


    Good - because it appears the opposition is growing sufficiently that people will vote to change the law. But back to you - are you saying you are too stupid to make the choice of which light to choose?


    of course not. because I have a solid understanding of the physics behind the various types of light bulbs. I am too stupid to decide other things though and so I would prefer that someone who devoted their life to studying X thing make a decision about X thing.
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:05 PM GMT
    Rawrly saidGays should revolt because crystal chandeliers don't look good with CFLs!


    LOL
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:06 PM GMT
    australia did this a few years ago, what has been the result, has there been a net energy savings?
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:06 PM GMT
    JackNWNJ said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    riddler78 said
    alphatrigger saidwe need moar LED light bulbs.


    We need more choice and competition. Who does these regulations benefit the most? Connected companies like... GE. Who does it hurt? Those with the least amount of income who still need to buy light bulbs unless the goal is to make them sit in the dark.


    You are just as bad as people who drive around in Hummer's just because "they can"


    People always do what they"can." If someone wants to drive around in Hummer's [sic], that's their business - they pay for the gas and insurance (which is no bargain for those vehicles). It's a choice.


    It's a choice that has a serious impact on the environment.
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:07 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    JackNWNJ said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    riddler78 said
    alphatrigger saidwe need moar LED light bulbs.


    We need more choice and competition. Who does these regulations benefit the most? Connected companies like... GE. Who does it hurt? Those with the least amount of income who still need to buy light bulbs unless the goal is to make them sit in the dark.


    You are just as bad as people who drive around in Hummer's just because "they can"


    People always do what they"can." If someone wants to drive around in Hummer's [sic], that's their business - they pay for the gas and insurance (which is no bargain for those vehicles). It's a choice.


    It's a choice that has a serious impact on the environment.


    which belongs to everyone. not just stupid people.
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:08 PM GMT
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    JackNWNJ said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    riddler78 said
    alphatrigger saidwe need moar LED light bulbs.


    We need more choice and competition. Who does these regulations benefit the most? Connected companies like... GE. Who does it hurt? Those with the least amount of income who still need to buy light bulbs unless the goal is to make them sit in the dark.


    You are just as bad as people who drive around in Hummer's just because "they can"


    People always do what they"can." If someone wants to drive around in Hummer's [sic], that's their business - they pay for the gas and insurance (which is no bargain for those vehicles). It's a choice.


    It's a choice that has a serious impact on the environment.


    So why haven't we banned meat?
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:10 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    JackNWNJ said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    riddler78 said
    alphatrigger saidwe need moar LED light bulbs.


    We need more choice and competition. Who does these regulations benefit the most? Connected companies like... GE. Who does it hurt? Those with the least amount of income who still need to buy light bulbs unless the goal is to make them sit in the dark.


    You are just as bad as people who drive around in Hummer's just because "they can"


    People always do what they"can." If someone wants to drive around in Hummer's [sic], that's their business - they pay for the gas and insurance (which is no bargain for those vehicles). It's a choice.


    It's a choice that has a serious impact on the environment.


    So why haven't we banned meat?


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    Jun 22, 2011 5:11 PM GMT
    We invented the light bulb and now we are banning it. How dumb is that? Also we don't need the government telling us what light bulb we should buy. I can make that decision myself.
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:12 PM GMT
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    Its up to responsible people to say HEY- do the right thing. Just as cities have no littering ordinances to prevent people from making the CHOICE of throwing their shit anywhere. Now we have one that says "HEY ASSHOLE-DO THE RIGHT THING AND SPEND 2 CENTS MORE TO BUY THE RIGHT FUCKING LIGHT BULB"


    That's not what's happening.

    The Federal government is not saying "pay the extra 2 cents to buy the "right fucking light bulb."

    The Federal government is banning the sale of incandescent light bulbs.


    By banning the sale of incandescents they will force the general public to spend a little bit more and buy the more environmentally friendly compact fluorescent style.

    btw I realize my last post wasn't very politically correct. I did that on purpose