The myth of the ‘racist’ Tea Party

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    Jun 22, 2011 4:07 PM GMT
    The best critics seem to be able to come up with is that these people are stupid, ignorant, poor and racist hicks. The reality is a bit different. Especially ironic when a lot of the policies critics advocate keep minorities poor and stupid.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/the-myth-of-the-racist-tea-party/2011/03/29/AGsaideH_blog.html

    The notion that Tea Partyers are racists has gotten a lot of play in the liberal media but suffers from a lack of facts. The “We the People Convention” on July 1-2 in Columbus, Ohio, is further evidence that Tea Partyers are making inroads in groups that have historically been staunchly Democratic.

    The convention bills itself as a gathering “to recruit, educate, and motivate Ohio citizens at the grass-roots level to perform their constitutionally-defined role in the governance of their townships, municipalities, and counties, as well as in our state and nation, by providing opportunities, knowledge, and training to ensure limited constitutional governance.” What is noteworthy is the prominence of African Americans in this event.

    Paul Baker, who heads the break-out sessions for the convention, tells me that the prominence of African American leaders is indicative of the inclusiveness of the movement. African American participants who will conduct sessions, he tells me, include “Brenda Mack and Steve Cheeks of the Ohio Black Republican Association. Anita Moncreif is a former ACORN employee (and whistleblower) who started a Tea Party in Texas.” Herman Cain will give the keynote address.

    The Tea Party, many on the left continue to assert, is losing steam or is politically irrelevant or is the private club of white racists. In fact, the viewpoints of the presidential candidates, the Republican House agenda and the ongoing efforts to recruit and expand into communities where Republican have traditionally not done well suggest that the Tea Party remains a critical grass-roots component of the GOP.
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:10 PM GMT
    Delusional.

    There is no grassroots Tea Party. It is funded and organized by a small coterie of right-wing billionaires. Follow the money.

    And I don't think all Tea Baggers are racist, but all the racists are Tea Baggers (unless they're in the Klan or Neo Nazis).
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:12 PM GMT
    Riddler, have you ever met local/state Tea Party's? Not the one's who go to Washington DC or are bussed into Wisconsin for anti-Union rallies...but actually average American tea partiers? Yeah - they basically are the racists united under one front.
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:17 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidRiddler, have you ever met local/state Tea Party's? Not the one's who go to Washington DC or are bussed into Wisconsin for anti-Union rallies...but actually average American tea partiers? Yeah - they basically are the racists united under one front.


    I have no doubt that there are racists - just as there are some obvious racists in the Democratic party (and some less obvious - and how they pander to minorities with lower expectations and condescension). Lest it be forgotten, Tea Partiers are more wealthy and educated than the general population according to... the New York Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html

    Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and are no more or less afraid of falling into a lower socioeconomic class, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

    The 18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.

    They hold more conservative views on a range of issues than Republicans generally. They are also more likely to describe themselves as “very conservative” and President Obama as “very liberal.”


    The popularity of those like Herman Cain doesn't quite jive with the racism claims of the broader movement.
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:26 PM GMT
    None of the local Tea Party "chapters" support Cain.

    A movement that started based around the concept of "Fair Tax" has been comepletely degraded to "bullshit status."


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    ConfederateGhost saidRiddler, have you ever met local/state Tea Party's? Not the one's who go to Washington DC or are bussed into Wisconsin for anti-Union rallies...but actually average American tea partiers? Yeah - they basically are the racists united under one front.


    I have no doubt that there are racists - just as there are some obvious racists in the Democratic party (and some less obvious - and how they pander to minorities with lower expectations and condescension). Lest it be forgotten, Tea Partiers are more wealthy and educated than the general population according to... the New York Times:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/15/us/politics/15poll.html

    Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and are no more or less afraid of falling into a lower socioeconomic class, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

    The 18 percent of Americans who identify themselves as Tea Party supporters tend to be Republican, white, male, married and older than 45.

    They hold more conservative views on a range of issues than Republicans generally. They are also more likely to describe themselves as “very conservative” and President Obama as “very liberal.”


    The popularity of those like Herman Cain doesn't quite jive with the racism claims of the broader movement.
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:30 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidNone of the local Tea Party "chapters" support Cain.

    A movement that started based around the concept of "Fair Tax" has been comepletely degraded to "bullshit status."


    Color me skeptical when it comes to anecdotal evidence. That said, the seeds of the movement came from the Pork busters that was active under the Bush Administration and was also instrumental to the removal of Trent Lott. Porkbusters ultimately morphed into the tea partiers after Rick Santelli's rant. It's a movement that's alive and well. I suspect history will show that Obama was instrumental to reviving the movement towards libertarianism - as even Nate Silver notes (a liberal statistician) on his blog:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/20/poll-finds-a-shift-toward-more-libertarian-views/
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:36 PM GMT
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    ConfederateGhost saidNone of the local Tea Party "chapters" support Cain.

    A movement that started based around the concept of "Fair Tax" has been comepletely degraded to "bullshit status."


    Color me skeptical when it comes to anecdotal evidence. That said, the seeds of the movement came from the Pork busters that was active under the Bush Administration and was also instrumental to the removal of Trent Lott. Porkbusters ultimately morphed into the tea partiers after Rick Santelli's rant. It's a movement that's alive and well. I suspect history will show that Obama was instrumental to reviving the movement towards libertarianism - as even Nate Silver notes (a liberal statistician) on his blog:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/20/poll-finds-a-shift-toward-more-libertarian-views/


    Herman Cain doesn't like Black people either... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:39 PM GMT
    "The seeds of the movement" could come from a number of sources. The actual movement...which is what we are discussing here...sprang up based around the original supporters of "Fair Tax"....then was perverted into what it is known as now: a safe-haven for racists, bigots, and ultra-religious conservatism.

    Honestly Riddler, have you ever attended a Tea Rally? One put on by your local or State Tea Party?

    I ask because you seem to love throwing your statistics and blogs around...but you don't seem to actually offer any personal experience with the matter. There's a world of difference between what you read...and what you experience for yourself.

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    Jun 22, 2011 4:45 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost said"The seeds of the movement" could come from a number of sources. The actual movement...which is what we are discussing here...sprang up based around the original supporters of "Fair Tax"....then was perverted into what it is known as now: a safe-haven for racists, bigots, and ultra-religious conservatism.

    Honestly Riddler, have you ever attended a Tea Rally? One put on by your local or State Tea Party?

    I ask because you seem to love throwing your statistics and blogs around...but you don't seem to actually offer any personal experience with the matter. There's a world of difference between what you read...and what you experience for yourself.



    There is a difference between anecdotal and actual data - I agree. I prefer to defer to the latter. I've been to one Tea Party rally and while there are a few apparent racists, it was also not apparent whether or not these people were plants for the media as other tea partiers disassociated themselves from them. The real safe havens are places where they can turn their bigotry into positives by pretending to be compassionate with lowered expectations but never actually giving them any actual power. In this case, we have at least one nominee with significant support from tea partiers Herman Cain that shows that while there are elements of racism and bigotry, it is a minority view.
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:45 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost said"The seeds of the movement" could come from a number of sources. The actual movement...which is what we are discussing here...sprang up based around the original supporters of "Fair Tax"....then was perverted into what it is known as now: a safe-haven for racists, bigots, and ultra-religious conservatism.

    Honestly Riddler, have you ever attended a Tea Rally? One put on by your local or State Tea Party?

    I ask because you seem to love throwing your statistics and blogs around...but you don't seem to actually offer any personal experience with the matter. There's a world of difference between what you read...and what you experience for yourself.



    Riddler is Canadian, so there's no local Tea Bagger rally for him to attend.
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:48 PM GMT
    Okay, so no real personal experience, yet you seem so sure that you've got the Tea Party figured out? Keep reading your blogs and I'll keep trusting what I've seen with my own two eyes, and have heard with my own two ears.


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    ConfederateGhost said"The seeds of the movement" could come from a number of sources. The actual movement...which is what we are discussing here...sprang up based around the original supporters of "Fair Tax"....then was perverted into what it is known as now: a safe-haven for racists, bigots, and ultra-religious conservatism.

    Honestly Riddler, have you ever attended a Tea Rally? One put on by your local or State Tea Party?

    I ask because you seem to love throwing your statistics and blogs around...but you don't seem to actually offer any personal experience with the matter. There's a world of difference between what you read...and what you experience for yourself.



    There is a difference between anecdotal and actual data - I agree. I prefer to defer to the latter. I've been to one Tea Party rally and while there are a few apparent racists, it was also not apparent whether or not these people were plants for the media as other tea partiers disassociated themselves from them. The real safe havens are places where they can turn their bigotry into positives by pretending to be compassionate with lowered expectations but never actually giving them any actual power. In this case, we have at least one nominee with significant support from tea partiers Herman Cain that shows that while there are elements of racism and bigotry, it is a minority view.
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:50 PM GMT
    What part of pointing out that I've been to a Tea Party rally does not qualify as personal experience?

    ConfederateGhost saidOkay, so no real personal experience, yet you seem so sure that you've got the Tea Party figured out? Keep reading your blogs and I'll keep trusting what I've seen with my own two eyes, and have heard with my own two ears.


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    ConfederateGhost said"The seeds of the movement" could come from a number of sources. The actual movement...which is what we are discussing here...sprang up based around the original supporters of "Fair Tax"....then was perverted into what it is known as now: a safe-haven for racists, bigots, and ultra-religious conservatism.

    Honestly Riddler, have you ever attended a Tea Rally? One put on by your local or State Tea Party?

    I ask because you seem to love throwing your statistics and blogs around...but you don't seem to actually offer any personal experience with the matter. There's a world of difference between what you read...and what you experience for yourself.



    There is a difference between anecdotal and actual data - I agree. I prefer to defer to the latter. I've been to one Tea Party rally and while there are a few apparent racists, it was also not apparent whether or not these people were plants for the media as other tea partiers disassociated themselves from them. The real safe havens are places where they can turn their bigotry into positives by pretending to be compassionate with lowered expectations but never actually giving them any actual power. In this case, we have at least one nominee with significant support from tea partiers Herman Cain that shows that while there are elements of racism and bigotry, it is a minority view.
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:58 PM GMT
    You said you went to one. While going to one gives you your one-time experience...I don't think it constitutes as having actual experience with the Tea Rally. Are you or are you not Canadian? In which case...does Canada have a Tea Party Movement themselves?

    Edited to elaborate that while your one-time stop at the Rally is an experience all to itself...a one-time experience of anything will give you a biased view.

    riddler78 saidWhat part of pointing out that I've been to a Tea Party rally does not qualify as personal experience?

    ConfederateGhost saidOkay, so no real personal experience, yet you seem so sure that you've got the Tea Party figured out? Keep reading your blogs and I'll keep trusting what I've seen with my own two eyes, and have heard with my own two ears.


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    ConfederateGhost said"The seeds of the movement" could come from a number of sources. The actual movement...which is what we are discussing here...sprang up based around the original supporters of "Fair Tax"....then was perverted into what it is known as now: a safe-haven for racists, bigots, and ultra-religious conservatism.

    Honestly Riddler, have you ever attended a Tea Rally? One put on by your local or State Tea Party?

    I ask because you seem to love throwing your statistics and blogs around...but you don't seem to actually offer any personal experience with the matter. There's a world of difference between what you read...and what you experience for yourself.



    There is a difference between anecdotal and actual data - I agree. I prefer to defer to the latter. I've been to one Tea Party rally and while there are a few apparent racists, it was also not apparent whether or not these people were plants for the media as other tea partiers disassociated themselves from them. The real safe havens are places where they can turn their bigotry into positives by pretending to be compassionate with lowered expectations but never actually giving them any actual power. In this case, we have at least one nominee with significant support from tea partiers Herman Cain that shows that while there are elements of racism and bigotry, it is a minority view.
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:01 PM GMT
    ConfederateGhost saidYou said you went to one. While going to one gives you your one-time experience...I don't think it constitutes as having actual experience with the Tea Rally. Are you or are you not Canadian? In which case...does Canada have a Tea Party Movement themselves?


    I am Canadian but I have to wonder - how many have you been to that you can make such wide sweeping claims for such a broad movement? How many in each state have you been to in how many cities?
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:13 PM GMT
    When the tea party movement started out as grassroots efforts, it was initially ridiculed by leftists as being disorganized, unsophisticated, and ineffective. Gradually they did become organized, and as their effectiveness became known, the Party line of the left quickly changed, a perfect example of revisionist history, to say they were organized from the very beginning as a plot from the right.

    As an aside, I know of many people who participated in local organizations and I know of no racists, though I'm sure any group will have some. What I have seen are blatant attempts from the left to create this image, in a increasingly futile effort to marginalize the movement.
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:14 PM GMT
    The "Tea Party" has no legitimacy.
    Their big issue is reducing the National Debt and they support Repubs and only Repubs based on the MYTH that the Repubs are better at fiscal discipline and debt reduction.
    The actual FACT is that the Repubs are vastly WORSE at fiscal discipline and debt reduction.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms
    The last 5 Democratic presidents REDUCED the National Debt.
    The last 4 Republican presidents INCREASED the National Debt.
    In fact, the Repubs spent the last 30 years claiming that "deficits don't matter".
    Reagan more than tripled the National Debt.
    Bush Jr. doubled it.
    Yet the Teabaggers claim that the only way to reduce the National Debt is to vote Repub!

    If you care about reducing the National Debt how does it make ANY sense to vote for the party that blew up the National Debt?
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:16 PM GMT
    rickrick91 saidThe "Tea Party" has no legitimacy.
    Their big issue is reducing the National Debt and they support Repubs and only Repubs based on the MYTH that the Repubs are better at fiscal discipline and debt reduction.
    The actual FACT is that the Repubs are vastly WORSE at fiscal discipline and debt reduction.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms
    The last 5 Democratic presidents REDUCED the National Debt.
    The last 4 Republican presidents INCREASED the National Debt.
    In fact, the Repubs spent the last 30 years claiming that "deficits don't matter".
    Reagan more than tripled the National Debt.
    Bush Jr. doubled it.
    Yet the Teabaggers claim that the only way to reduce the National Debt is to vote Repub!

    If you care about reducing the National Debt how does it make ANY sense to vote for the party that blew up the National Debt?


    You've obviously missed the part where tea partiers have been active in culling the ranks of Republican candidates with the litmus test of spending. You also obviously missed the impact they've made in the reduction of earmarks.
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:16 PM GMT
    I've been to more than a dozen rallies in the state of Alabama, in about six different cities - most of the ones I went to in my state however were in different locations/towns spread throughought what we call the "Wiregrass".

    I've been to a few rallys in the Florida Panhandle (nothing further south than Bay County)

    And I've been to two rallies in Georgia. One in near Blakely and one near Albany.

    I've read the books on Fair Tax and have supported Fair Tax since about 2007-08.

    You don't seem to grasp a very basic thing for people in the south. We don't have two party's like the rest of the country...it's not really an issue of (R) vs (D) down here. We have ultra conservative and mildly conservative. I thought the Tea Party was going to change that landscape...which is why I originally attended the rallies...then after the first two...I realized it wasn't what I was hoping for - I continued to attend the rallies to see if maybe something would transpire that would reignite my hopes...but alas - they were completely smothered out.
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:18 PM GMT
    rickrick91 saidThe "Tea Party" has no legitimacy.
    Their big issue is reducing the National Debt and they support Repubs and only Repubs based on the MYTH that the Repubs are better at fiscal discipline and debt reduction.
    The actual FACT is that the Repubs are vastly WORSE at fiscal discipline and debt reduction.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms
    The last 5 Democratic presidents REDUCED the National Debt.
    The last 4 Republican presidents INCREASED the National Debt.
    In fact, the Repubs spent the last 30 years claiming that "deficits don't matter".
    Reagan more than tripled the National Debt.
    Bush Jr. doubled it.
    Yet the Teabaggers claim that the only way to reduce the National Debt is to vote Repub!

    If you care about reducing the National Debt how does it make ANY sense to vote for the party that blew up the National Debt?

    You keep repeating this but the decision to make today is which party today wants restrictions in spending to raise the debt ceiling, and which party wants no restrictions and wants to keep spending, today? Which party says we're maxed out on our credit card, and which party says give me a new credit card so I can max that one also?
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:19 PM GMT
    rickrick91 saidThe "Tea Party" has no legitimacy.



    RickRick, you should probably come up for air. It's really not healthy to keep your head in the sand too long icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:21 PM GMT
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    rickrick91 saidThe "Tea Party" has no legitimacy.
    Their big issue is reducing the National Debt and they support Repubs and only Repubs based on the MYTH that the Repubs are better at fiscal discipline and debt reduction.
    The actual FACT is that the Repubs are vastly WORSE at fiscal discipline and debt reduction.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms
    The last 5 Democratic presidents REDUCED the National Debt.
    The last 4 Republican presidents INCREASED the National Debt.
    In fact, the Repubs spent the last 30 years claiming that "deficits don't matter".
    Reagan more than tripled the National Debt.
    Bush Jr. doubled it.
    Yet the Teabaggers claim that the only way to reduce the National Debt is to vote Repub!

    If you care about reducing the National Debt how does it make ANY sense to vote for the party that blew up the National Debt?


    You've obviously missed the part where tea partiers have been active in culling the ranks of Republican candidates with the litmus test of spending. You also obviously missed the impact they've made in the reduction of earmarks.




    If you're claiming that the Teabaggers have solely supported Repub candidates who passed "the litmus test of spending" - that's BS.
    The baggers are Repubs - and they voted and will continue to vote Repub - whether those Repub candidates pass "the litmus test of spending" or not.

    Racist or not - the "Tea Party" is nothing more than a wing of the Repub party.
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:22 PM GMT
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    rickrick91 saidThe "Tea Party" has no legitimacy.



    RickRick, you should probably come up for air. It's really not healthy to keep your head in the sand too long icon_lol.gif




    LOL!
    Well, your head is stuffed in a rather darker and more malodourous place.
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:29 PM GMT
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    rickrick91 saidThe "Tea Party" has no legitimacy.
    Their big issue is reducing the National Debt and they support Repubs and only Repubs based on the MYTH that the Repubs are better at fiscal discipline and debt reduction.
    The actual FACT is that the Repubs are vastly WORSE at fiscal discipline and debt reduction.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms
    The last 5 Democratic presidents REDUCED the National Debt.
    The last 4 Republican presidents INCREASED the National Debt.
    In fact, the Repubs spent the last 30 years claiming that "deficits don't matter".
    Reagan more than tripled the National Debt.
    Bush Jr. doubled it.
    Yet the Teabaggers claim that the only way to reduce the National Debt is to vote Repub!

    If you care about reducing the National Debt how does it make ANY sense to vote for the party that blew up the National Debt?

    You keep repeating this but the decision to make today is which party today wants restrictions in spending to raise the debt ceiling, and which party wants no restrictions and wants to keep spending, today? Which party says we're maxed out on our credit card, and which party says give me a new credit card so I can max that one also?




    I keep repeating it because it's the truth.
    We hear a lot of BS and lies from the Repubs about their supposed superior fiscal superiority, and people need to know the facts.
    The Repubs have been much less fiscally responsible than the Dems for decades now.
    And that's a FACT.

    And going forward voters do have a choice.
    The Dems have proposed cutting spending and raising taxes on the richest 1-2 % of Americans in order to pay off the National Debt.
    The Repubs have proposed cutting spending and destroying Medicare in order to pay for making the Bush tax cuts permanent.

    Those right-wing talking points you posted about maxing out the credit card are nothing more than bogus BS.
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    Jun 22, 2011 5:49 PM GMT
    http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html

    http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/mssrp_table.pdf

    http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/Tea%20Party%20Chart%20[pdf]-1.pdf This one won't work as a URL tag so just copy and paste.

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/04/new-data-on-tea-party-sympathizers.html
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    Jun 22, 2011 6:19 PM GMT
    The Teabaggers are a big tent that includes every hate group.
    And, they want to do away with every government agency that keeps us safe from poison water, poison food, and polluted air and land.