The Dark Side / Ego / Devil / Inner Demons

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    Jun 22, 2011 4:44 PM GMT
    This is extremely important to the gay world that gets (self)-demonised



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    Repressing the dark side of the self is unhealthy.. it has a role to play, like the destructive force of eating food.. it is necessary for creation, one cannot exist without the other .. learning to control the dark side is what can be done with it... it cannot be destroyed, destroying the destructive force is contradictory anyway....

    Btw, a "demon" is an old greek word for "spirit guide"
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    Jun 22, 2011 4:55 PM GMT
    This video series is relevant also to the relations between homophobia and homosexuality..... and the persecution of sin by religious people
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    Jun 22, 2011 6:34 PM GMT
    When comparing; Ancient, Classical, Modern and Postmodern cultures you'll likely notice the concept of good vs evil changes each time. I doubt that I doubt that the darkness really is as inherent in human nature as it is based on a cultural context. Consider the differences between beliefs between people of education and living in various regions.
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    Jun 22, 2011 7:20 PM GMT
    Vaughn saidWhen comparing; Ancient, Classical, Modern and Postmodern cultures you'll likely notice the concept of good vs evil changes each time. I doubt that I doubt that the darkness really is as inherent in human nature as it is based on a cultural context. Consider the differences between beliefs between people of education and living in various regions.


    huh? what do you call the things about yourself you and others view as negative? And what about the mean things kids do to each other? What do you call those? I mean you can say "darkness is cultural" but the fact is that people do horrible things to themselves and others all the time...

    besides, you say the concept changes.. but are you saying there is no good vs evil? Light vs dark? Destruction vs creation?

    That puzzles me, how do you live in a world that is purely one thing? Without polarities? It seems contradictory to life itself
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    Jun 22, 2011 11:19 PM GMT
    Very good. I have Deepak Chopra's book about this actually (it's sitting in a pile of books I'm supposed to read, unfortunately.) I only started to read it, but since I have, I've accepted just about all the things I have hated about myself. I think. I feel like a much freer person and I don't judge nearly as much.

    Now if only I could figure out why I'm so impatient; especially while driving.
  • Vaughn

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    Jun 23, 2011 6:12 AM GMT
    Greenhopper said
    Vaughn saidWhen comparing; Ancient, Classical, Modern and Postmodern cultures you'll likely notice the concept of good vs evil changes each time. I doubt that I doubt that the darkness really is as inherent in human nature as it is based on a cultural context. Consider the differences between beliefs between people of education and living in various regions.


    huh? what do you call the things about yourself you and others view as negative? And what about the mean things kids do to each other? What do you call those? I mean you can say "darkness is cultural" but the fact is that people do horrible things to themselves and others all the time...

    besides, you say the concept changes.. but are you saying there is no good vs evil? Light vs dark? Destruction vs creation?

    That puzzles me, how do you live in a world that is purely one thing? Without polarities? It seems contradictory to life itself


    Master/Slave (Nietzsche)(Not meaning to name drop, but you can look it up if you really want to). Morality.. Even Ethics are relative to the individual.

    Those concepts are all pure abstract. A kid picking on a kid is not evidence of evil. I find it to violate a moral code I've established. Binary opposition (Derrida)( Pardon my French) as well as anthropomorphism (Foucault)(Pardon it again) are methods, such as simulacrum (Buadrillard)(It's America's own fault for not participating enough in Post-structuralism)(I'm sure you saw the Matrix), to paint the world by man in a way that man can understand. Only through reason can we evade the pitfalls of the phenominological method of viewing reality. Precieving Good vs Evil or lets say Love as a force, are examples of "Classical Man" (Foucault).
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    Jun 23, 2011 12:47 PM GMT


    We all get a little dark sided sometimes.
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    Jun 23, 2011 1:21 PM GMT
    This is just the concept of "sin" which has been talked about in the Judeo-Christian tradition for thousands of years re-marketed in a modern, less offensive way.
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    Jun 28, 2011 4:47 PM GMT
    miamimasseur saidThis is just the concept of "sin" which has been talked about in the Judeo-Christian tradition for thousands of years re-marketed in a modern, less offensive way.


    I was hoping it was entirely inoffensive....
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    Jun 28, 2011 5:03 PM GMT
    viitz saidThey totally just ripped off Freud and rebranded his concepts.

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    How do you "rip off" Freud when Freud is the basis of most modern psychoanalysis anyway???
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    Jun 28, 2011 5:05 PM GMT
    Look guys, if you cant use this information constructively, just stop commenting on it.... its just a waste of time for you to have an opinion about it if you cant employ it and use it on yourselves
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    Jun 28, 2011 5:09 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidWell, I watched all seven segments. Not sure how many of you here did. I thought it glazed over a lot of areas. I thought the overall message was pretty good. Step out of shame, love yourself, forgive, accept what you are and don't judge it.

    But I find a lot of times that people have a dark side and are actually in agreement with "beings" or entities that provide them a false sense of security. These are not portions of ourselves that we should embrace as part of ourselves but rather let go of them and not associate with them.

    When I get to know a person well enough I see their beings and how they operate in terms of what their "dark" side might be like. This especially is the case when it comes to their intention to attack or harm another person in any way. And it is not their true energy.


    This doesnt make sense though... the "dark side" talked about in the video is not about having a sense of security.. its about having a sense of INsecurity which we try to cover up.. and which then comes out as a neuroses, a psychoses, or anything else psychoanalytical....

    As far as connections to beings.. this is very slippery and difficult to actually ascertain....
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    Jun 28, 2011 5:10 PM GMT
    viitz said
    Greenhopper said
    viitz saidThey totally just ripped off Freud and rebranded his concepts.

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    How do you "rip off" Freud when Freud is the basis of most modern psychoanalysis anyway???


    Freud invented psychoanalysis...

    The point is--what are they getting at? They are essentially re-labeling what Freud said a pretty long time ago. This isn't news.


    Nor is atheism, thats been around for centuries too, yet people still talk about it eh?

    Now just leave this stuff alone mate, you're bothering me now
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    Jun 28, 2011 5:11 PM GMT
    take it easy, boyz.
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    Jun 28, 2011 5:15 PM GMT
    viitz said
    Greenhopper said
    viitz said
    Greenhopper said
    viitz saidThey totally just ripped off Freud and rebranded his concepts.

    icon_rolleyes.gif


    How do you "rip off" Freud when Freud is the basis of most modern psychoanalysis anyway???


    Freud invented psychoanalysis...

    The point is--what are they getting at? They are essentially re-labeling what Freud said a pretty long time ago. This isn't news.


    Nor is atheism, thats been around for centuries too, yet people still talk about it eh?

    Now just leave this stuff alone mate, you're bothering me now


    Am I wrong or is this a forum?


    yeah you're right, Im sorry, Ill ignore you then, unconstructive comments shouldnt be getting me annoyed anyway
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    Jun 28, 2011 5:16 PM GMT
    KoreanBrian saidtake it easy, boyz.


    yeah I know, I just totally lose patience with people commenting and criticising hot air
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    Jun 28, 2011 5:20 PM GMT
    Vaughn said
    Greenhopper said
    Vaughn saidWhen comparing; Ancient, Classical, Modern and Postmodern cultures you'll likely notice the concept of good vs evil changes each time. I doubt that I doubt that the darkness really is as inherent in human nature as it is based on a cultural context. Consider the differences between beliefs between people of education and living in various regions.


    huh? what do you call the things about yourself you and others view as negative? And what about the mean things kids do to each other? What do you call those? I mean you can say "darkness is cultural" but the fact is that people do horrible things to themselves and others all the time...

    besides, you say the concept changes.. but are you saying there is no good vs evil? Light vs dark? Destruction vs creation?

    That puzzles me, how do you live in a world that is purely one thing? Without polarities? It seems contradictory to life itself


    Master/Slave (Nietzsche)(Not meaning to name drop, but you can look it up if you really want to). Morality.. Even Ethics are relative to the individual.

    Those concepts are all pure abstract. A kid picking on a kid is not evidence of evil. I find it to violate a moral code I've established. Binary opposition (Derrida)( Pardon my French) as well as anthropomorphism (Foucault)(Pardon it again) are methods, such as simulacrum (Buadrillard)(It's America's own fault for not participating enough in Post-structuralism)(I'm sure you saw the Matrix), to paint the world by man in a way that man can understand. Only through reason can we evade the pitfalls of the phenominological method of viewing reality. Precieving Good vs Evil or lets say Love as a force, are examples of "Classical Man" (Foucault).


    Ok, fine then, you drop classical man and be a behaviouralist and let psychoanalists be psychoanalists, using the ID and the superconscious as we still do to this day o the couch.. fortunately most of my psychology professors, the behaviourists and the psychoanalists... would respect each others systems instead of expecting everyone to use the same method... I mean what is this, the fifties??? This is Skinner vs Freud all over again and its about as useful a discussion as chopsticks vs cutlery... not. useful. at. all.
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    Aug 17, 2011 5:46 PM GMT
    is the dark side you are talking about, the one were a person harms others to fufill thire desires, what is the dark side of humanity?? there is no dark or light side, illusion of the mind.