It's official: USA "whites" join gays, the disabled and other groups as "minorities".

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    Jun 23, 2011 1:52 PM GMT
    Not only have Caucasians of European descent been a world minority to begin with, but now they are officially a minority among children under the age of 3 in the USA.

    Who's ready to cash in on all the special privileges that will *cough* surely be bestowed?

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110623/D9O1HG5G0.html
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    Jun 23, 2011 2:17 PM GMT
    First of all, it's about time.

    Second, what special privileges are other minorities receiving?
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    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time.

    Second, what special privileges are other minorities receiving?


    +1

    I'm a minority (1/2 hispanic and 100% gay). Should I be receiving special privileges?? Seems the only special treatment/privileges I get are when I pretend I'm 100% white and straight.
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    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time. ...

    If this is a correct interpretation of your comments, why specifically do you want caucasians of European descent to be in the minority?
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    Gays comprise of only 10%, in fact I think it's more like 2-5%.

    You mean, whites are heading that way?
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    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time.

    Second, what special privileges are other minorities receiving?


    +1

    I'm a minority (1/2 hispanic and 100% gay). Should I be receiving special privileges?? Seems the only special treatment/privileges I get are when I pretend I'm 100% white and straight.


    That's interesting because I'm half hispanic and I have noticed precisely the opposite! Furthermore, my statement is based on facts, yours is based on feeling.

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    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time. ...

    If this is a correct interpretation of your comments, why specifically do you want caucasians of European descent to be in the minority?


    Because he believes skin color defines an individual and in a nutshell he's thinking that it's time for whites to be the ones to "suffer" as a "minority". And obviously since one's character is tied to their race those sins get passed down to the next generation, so it makes total sense! (NOT).
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    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time. ...

    If this is a correct interpretation of your comments, why specifically do you want caucasians of European descent to be in the minority?


    Because he believes skin color defines an individual and in a nutshell he's thinking that it's time for whites to be the ones to "suffer" as a "minority". And obviously since one's character is tied to their race those sins get passed down to the next generation, so it makes total sense! (NOT).


    Actually, you're the one who brought it up, so its incumbent on you to explain why you think white people of European descent moving to minority status is a bad thing. The rest of your post if classic psychological projection.

    I really don't think it makes a damn bit of difference, since race is a social construct and there is no real differences between white people and people of color, but am curious why at least two posters find this problematic.
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    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time.

    Second, what special privileges are other minorities receiving?


    Here is a small example, but you weren't paying attention when I posted it the first time.

    "Affirmative action benefits can be substantial. A study of selective universities by Princeton sociologists Thomas Espenshade and Alexandria Radford found that listing one’s race as “Hispanic” instead of ‘White” increased the likelihood of being admitted by the same amount as scoring an extra 130 points on the SAT. Compared to Asians, the study found, Hispanics receive a 240-point advantage."

    “Residency status is not taken into consideration at all in the admissions process,” he also noted.However, the data show that Hispanic students admitted to the University of California system had lower GPAs and SAT scores than White or Asian students who came from families with similar incomes. For example, admitted Hispanic students whose parents made more than $120,000/year had an average SAT score of 1749, while Asian students with parents making that much had an average of 1890, 151 points higher. For Whites it was 1844."-----http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/17/affirmative-action-illegal-immigrants/?test=latestnews

    And there we have it, facts vs bullshit. It's also sad to see that so many people who define themselves as "Asian" are shafted simply because apparently they are deemed as being "privileged".
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    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time. ...

    If this is a correct interpretation of your comments, why specifically do you want caucasians of European descent to be in the minority?


    Because he believes skin color defines an individual and in a nutshell he's thinking that it's time for whites to be the ones to "suffer" as a "minority". And obviously since one's character is tied to their race those sins get passed down to the next generation, so it makes total sense! (NOT).


    Actually, you're the one who brought it up, so its incumbent on you to explain why you think white people of European descent moving to minority status is a bad thing. The rest of your post if classic psychological projection.

    I really don't think it makes a damn bit of difference, since race is a social construct and there is no real differences between white people and people of color, but am curious why at least two posters find this problematic.

    If you are referring to me, I neither stated nor implied it was problematic. Just asked for clarification on your comment.
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    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time. ...

    If this is a correct interpretation of your comments, why specifically do you want caucasians of European descent to be in the minority?


    Because he believes skin color defines an individual and in a nutshell he's thinking that it's time for whites to be the ones to "suffer" as a "minority". And obviously since one's character is tied to their race those sins get passed down to the next generation, so it makes total sense! (NOT).


    Actually, you're the one who brought it up, so its incumbent on you to explain why you think white people of European descent moving to minority status is a bad thing. The rest of your post if classic psychological projection.

    I really don't think it makes a damn bit of difference, since race is a social construct and there is no real differences between white people and people of color, but am curious why at least two posters find this problematic.


    You missed it. My point was not that it's a bad thing but rather realizing the unlikelihood that the same type of affirmative action presently shown to current minorities will not be there for whites in a society not dominated by them.
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    Jun 23, 2011 3:28 PM GMT
    Does this mean we can't say honky or cracker anymore?
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    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time. ...

    If this is a correct interpretation of your comments, why specifically do you want caucasians of European descent to be in the minority?


    Because he believes skin color defines an individual and in a nutshell he's thinking that it's time for whites to be the ones to "suffer" as a "minority". And obviously since one's character is tied to their race those sins get passed down to the next generation, so it makes total sense! (NOT).


    Actually, you're the one who brought it up, so its incumbent on you to explain why you think white people of European descent moving to minority status is a bad thing. The rest of your post if classic psychological projection.

    I really don't think it makes a damn bit of difference, since race is a social construct and there is no real differences between white people and people of color, but am curious why at least two posters find this problematic.

    If you are referring to me, I neither stated nor implied it was problematic. Just asked for clarification on your comment.


    The truth came out though, he believes that sins committed by someone who is dubiously "white" gets passed down to the children and that now it's time to "pay".
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    mocktwinkie said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time. ...

    If this is a correct interpretation of your comments, why specifically do you want caucasians of European descent to be in the minority?


    Because he believes skin color defines an individual and in a nutshell he's thinking that it's time for whites to be the ones to "suffer" as a "minority". And obviously since one's character is tied to their race those sins get passed down to the next generation, so it makes total sense! (NOT).


    Actually, you're the one who brought it up, so its incumbent on you to explain why you think white people of European descent moving to minority status is a bad thing. The rest of your post if classic psychological projection.

    I really don't think it makes a damn bit of difference, since race is a social construct and there is no real differences between white people and people of color, but am curious why at least two posters find this problematic.

    If you are referring to me, I neither stated nor implied it was problematic. Just asked for clarification on your comment.


    The truth came out though, he believes that sins committed by someone who is dubiously "white" gets passed down to the children and that now it's time to "pay".


    Really? Where did I state that belief?
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    Christian73 saidI really don't think it makes a damn bit of difference, since race is a social construct and there is no real differences between white people and people of color, but am curious why at least two posters find this problematic.

    I think a lot of Whites are going to find this more than problematic, but a damn big problem. The oppressors now the oppressed. It'll be fun to watch the hypocrites suddenly crying for their own affirmative action as protection, that they criticized for so long and tried so hard to deny to others. Nice to see the shoe on the other foot.

    Of course I'm White European myself, so I might get entangled in the fallout from this in the future. But that's OK, I understand the hatred other races have for us, and with good cause.

    Little actual change will happen at first, because the political reins are still held by White men. But as demographic power evolves into political power, just watch the fireworks begin! Whites better be prepared to get what they've been dishing out to others for so long, to move from lily-white suburbs to inner-city slums. (Or would half the red necks even notice the difference?) The prospect makes me smile. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time.

    Second, what special privileges are other minorities receiving?


    +1

    I'm a minority (1/2 hispanic and 100% gay). Should I be receiving special privileges?? Seems the only special treatment/privileges I get are when I pretend I'm 100% white and straight.


    That's interesting because I'm half hispanic and I have noticed precisely the opposite! Furthermore, my statement is based on facts, yours is based on feeling.


    You must not live in the South where you are a minority (and not part of the good ol' boys club) unless you are white, male, straight, Republican, and christian.

    And furthermore, you didn't not present any facts supporting your contention that minorities receive special privileges. So your second sentence is BS.
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    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time.

    Second, what special privileges are other minorities receiving?


    Here is a small example, but you weren't paying attention when I posted it the first time.

    "Affirmative action benefits can be substantial. A study of selective universities by Princeton sociologists Thomas Espenshade and Alexandria Radford found that listing one’s race as “Hispanic” instead of ‘White” increased the likelihood of being admitted by the same amount as scoring an extra 130 points on the SAT. Compared to Asians, the study found, Hispanics receive a 240-point advantage."

    “Residency status is not taken into consideration at all in the admissions process,” he also noted.However, the data show that Hispanic students admitted to the University of California system had lower GPAs and SAT scores than White or Asian students who came from families with similar incomes. For example, admitted Hispanic students whose parents made more than $120,000/year had an average SAT score of 1749, while Asian students with parents making that much had an average of 1890, 151 points higher. For Whites it was 1844."-----http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/17/affirmative-action-illegal-immigrants/?test=latestnews

    And there we have it, facts vs bullshit. It's also sad to see that so many people who define themselves as "Asian" are shafted simply because apparently they are deemed as being "privileged".


    Yes. Universities have engaged in affirmative action and some still do. Did the Asian and white student not go to any college?

    What percentage of the student body are Hispanics at those schools?

    Hispanics still lag behind in representation at colleges and universities. I see this every day at my job, where we cannot find sufficient numbers of Latino college students to apply for our programs despite extensive outreach.
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    paulflexes saidDoes this mean we can't say honky or cracker anymore?


    my-grocery-store-is-racist-mexican-chine
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    catfish5 said
    mocktwinkie said
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    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time.

    Second, what special privileges are other minorities receiving?


    +1

    I'm a minority (1/2 hispanic and 100% gay). Should I be receiving special privileges?? Seems the only special treatment/privileges I get are when I pretend I'm 100% white and straight.


    That's interesting because I'm half hispanic and I have noticed precisely the opposite! Furthermore, my statement is based on facts, yours is based on feeling.


    You must not live in the South where you are a minority (and not part of the good ol' boys club) unless you are white, male, straight, Republican, and christian.

    And furthermore, you didn't not present any facts supporting your contention that minorities receive special privileges. So your second sentence is BS.


    I live in the north where whites are actually the majority (to a certain extent, at least), you on the other hand live in the south, and specifically Texas, where whites have been a minority for a while. So forgive me if I flat out find your delusional comment hysterical.

    And I did in fact provide you with facts supporting the OBVIOUS understanding (to most people, at least) that minorities currently receive special privileges and benefits.
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    Christian73 said
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    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time.

    Second, what special privileges are other minorities receiving?


    Here is a small example, but you weren't paying attention when I posted it the first time.

    "Affirmative action benefits can be substantial. A study of selective universities by Princeton sociologists Thomas Espenshade and Alexandria Radford found that listing one’s race as “Hispanic” instead of ‘White” increased the likelihood of being admitted by the same amount as scoring an extra 130 points on the SAT. Compared to Asians, the study found, Hispanics receive a 240-point advantage."

    “Residency status is not taken into consideration at all in the admissions process,” he also noted.However, the data show that Hispanic students admitted to the University of California system had lower GPAs and SAT scores than White or Asian students who came from families with similar incomes. For example, admitted Hispanic students whose parents made more than $120,000/year had an average SAT score of 1749, while Asian students with parents making that much had an average of 1890, 151 points higher. For Whites it was 1844."-----http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/17/affirmative-action-illegal-immigrants/?test=latestnews

    And there we have it, facts vs bullshit. It's also sad to see that so many people who define themselves as "Asian" are shafted simply because apparently they are deemed as being "privileged".


    Yes. Universities have engaged in affirmative action and some still do. Did the Asian and white student not go to any college?

    What percentage of the student body are Hispanics at those schools?

    Hispanics still lag behind in representation at colleges and universities. I see this every day at my job, where we cannot find sufficient numbers of Latino college students to apply for our programs despite extensive outreach.


    It's not the job of a university or a society to advance in "representation" a particular race or religion or creed, it is the job of the university to admit people who are qualified and have demonstrated that they are good students regardless of their background.

    Your ideas about needing to have "sufficient" numbers of a certain race is a personal preference and has no place in real life policy. There's obviously nothing wrong with you having a racial concern but it's no different than anyone who is white or any other race being interested in advancing their own "representation".

    Your ideas about having a "sufficient" representation for particular races shows that you are quite racist, someone who looks at things in terms of race rather than qualification.
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    mocktwinkie saidIt's not the job of a university or a society to advance in "representation" a particular race or religion or creed, it is the job of the university to admit people who are qualified and have demonstrated that they are good students regardless of their background.

    Your ideas about needing to have "sufficient" numbers of a certain race is a personal preference and has no place in real life policy. There's obviously nothing wrong with you having a racial concern but it's no different than anyone who is white or any other race being interested in advancing their own "representation".

    Your ideas about having a "sufficient" representation for particular races shows that you are quite racist, someone who looks at things in terms of race rather than qualification.


    Wrong. Wrong. And wrong.

    When a society has historically had policies that kept a socially constructed group of people down and minimized their chances to succeed through the political and legal process, that same society actually DOES have a role to play in advancing that group's success. It's the moral and ethical thing to do. Further, it is in the interest of the society as a whole to not have an underclass of people who require constant aid.

    Sufficient numbers is not a personal preference at all. Having Hispanic leaders in education is absolutely critical since they bring a lifelong cultural competency into the classroom and ed reform debate. In much the same way that queer kids need role models to ensure good self image, so do kids of color.

    And recognizing historical and institutional racism does not make one a racist. Ignoring them does. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time.

    Second, what special privileges are other minorities receiving?


    +1

    I'm a minority (1/2 hispanic and 100% gay). Should I be receiving special privileges?? Seems the only special treatment/privileges I get are when I pretend I'm 100% white and straight.


    That's interesting because I'm half hispanic and I have noticed precisely the opposite! Furthermore, my statement is based on facts, yours is based on feeling.


    You must not live in the South where you are a minority (and not part of the good ol' boys club) unless you are white, male, straight, Republican, and christian.

    And furthermore, you didn't not present any facts supporting your contention that minorities receive special privileges. So your second sentence is BS.


    I live in the north where whites are actually the majority, you on the other hand live in the south, and specifically Texas, where whites have been a minority for a while. So forgive me if I flat out find your comment hysterical.

    And I did provide facts supporting the OBVIOUS understanding that everyone has (except for you and a few other willfully ignorant) that minorities do receive special privileges.


    42% of the population of Texas is White. 38% of the population is Hispanic. 11% is black. The culture in Texas is fiercely tradition-bound white.

    Those "special privileges" that you speak of are nothing more than attempts at equalizing 500 years of discrimination that some whites just can't stand. So minorities get the special privilege of affirmative action possibly getting them in college or getting them a job that their ancestors could have had on merit if they'd been allowed. They still get the privilege of being thought of as affirmative action beneficiaries even when they're not. They still get the privilege of being stopped, questioned and arrested much more than whites. They get the privilege of a fraction of the pay for the same job. They get the privilege of the attention of groups like the KKK and Aryan nation. They get the privilege of watching young white kids inherit legacies from their parents who inherited them from their parents while many minority children worked twice as hard to get half as far. They get the privilege of uneducated whites speaking out on the topic which they've never studied or even looked at objectively.
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    mocktwinkie saidIt's not the job of a university or a society to advance in "representation" a particular race or religion or creed, it is the job of the university to admit people who are qualified and have demonstrated that they are good students regardless of their background.

    Your ideas about needing to have "sufficient" numbers of a certain race is a personal preference and has no place in real life policy. There's obviously nothing wrong with you having a racial concern but it's no different than anyone who is white or any other race being interested in advancing their own "representation".

    Your ideas about having a "sufficient" representation for particular races shows that you are quite racist, someone who looks at things in terms of race rather than qualification.


    Wrong. Wrong. And wrong.

    When a society has historically had policies that kept a socially constructed group of people down and minimized their chances to succeed through the political and legal process, that same society actually DOES have a role to play in advancing that group's success. It's the moral and ethical thing to do. Further, it is in the interest of the society as a whole to not have an underclass of people who require constant aid.

    Sufficient numbers is not a personal preference at all. Having Hispanic leaders in education is absolutely critical since they bring a lifelong cultural competency into the classroom and ed reform debate. In much the same way that queer kids need role models to ensure good self image, so do kids of color.

    And recognizing historical and institutional racism does not make one a racist. Ignoring them does. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Bullshit. There has never been a historical policy against non-white Hispanic people. Name ONE government sanctioned policy, or even local, disenfranchising darker skinned Hispanics because of their race? You can't name one because you know it's a lie that continues to be perpetuated by people like you who don't have a leg to stand on except for reverting to cries of racism at every turn.

    Affirmative action was originally created in part to help African-Americans get ahead because of past wrongs, now everyone who isn't white is jumping on the bandwagon as though somehow they are being "suppressed". It's total nonsense. There isn't one shred of evidence to suggest that if someone is not getting ahead academically that it's because white people are "holding them back". You just got done admitting that there have been great measures taken, even through affirmative action, to get non-whites (minus Asians) to perform better academically, and yet you are going to invent some pure hogwash about our country having fictitious barriers and policies taking away the ability of people of color to perform as well?

    Gawd I can't even believe you take yourself seriously when you make claims like this.
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    catfish5 said
    mocktwinkie said
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    mocktwinkie said
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    Christian73 saidFirst of all, it's about time.

    Second, what special privileges are other minorities receiving?


    +1

    I'm a minority (1/2 hispanic and 100% gay). Should I be receiving special privileges?? Seems the only special treatment/privileges I get are when I pretend I'm 100% white and straight.


    That's interesting because I'm half hispanic and I have noticed precisely the opposite! Furthermore, my statement is based on facts, yours is based on feeling.


    You must not live in the South where you are a minority (and not part of the good ol' boys club) unless you are white, male, straight, Republican, and christian.

    And furthermore, you didn't not present any facts supporting your contention that minorities receive special privileges. So your second sentence is BS.


    I live in the north where whites are actually the majority, you on the other hand live in the south, and specifically Texas, where whites have been a minority for a while. So forgive me if I flat out find your comment hysterical.

    And I did provide facts supporting the OBVIOUS understanding that everyone has (except for you and a few other willfully ignorant) that minorities do receive special privileges.


    42% of the population of Texas is White. 38% of the population is Hispanic. 11% is black. The culture in Texas is fiercely tradition-bound white.

    Those "special privileges" that you speak of are nothing more than attempts at equalizing 500 years of discrimination that some whites just can't stand. So minorities get the special privilege of affirmative action possibly getting them in college or getting them a job that their ancestors could have had on merit if they'd been allowed. They still get the privilege of being thought of as affirmative action beneficiaries even when they're not. They still get the privilege of being stopped, questioned and arrested much more than whites. They get the privilege of a fraction of the pay for the same job. They get the privilege of the attention of groups like the KKK and Aryan nation. They get the privilege of watching young white kids inherit legacies from their parents who inherited them from their parents while many minority children worked twice as hard to get half as far. They get the privilege of uneducated whites speaking out on the topic which they've never studied or even looked at objectively.


    Texas is a majority minority state and trying to insist otherwise is just making you look like an ignorant fool trying to play victim. Whites as a single category are still the largest group because of all the old people but that is all changed with the new generation demographics putting non-white hispanics as #1.

    And to make your position and earlier comment even more farcical, you live in Dallas where whites only make up 28.8% of the population and non-white Latino Hispanics are 42.2.

    Whites being a minority in Texas is old news. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165395,00.html



    And there has never been one policy ever in this nation that has discriminated against someone because they are "dark" Hispanic. Why do you bring up the KKK as though it is even remotely relevant? Quit trying to act like you're an African American. Many blacks in this country DO have a legitimate claim when they say that whites enacted repressive policies, but no one else.
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    mocktwinkie saidIt's not the job of a university or a society to advance in "representation" a particular race or religion or creed, it is the job of the university to admit people who are qualified and have demonstrated that they are good students regardless of their background.

    Your ideas about needing to have "sufficient" numbers of a certain race is a personal preference and has no place in real life policy. There's obviously nothing wrong with you having a racial concern but it's no different than anyone who is white or any other race being interested in advancing their own "representation".

    Your ideas about having a "sufficient" representation for particular races shows that you are quite racist, someone who looks at things in terms of race rather than qualification.


    Wrong. Wrong. And wrong.

    When a society has historically had policies that kept a socially constructed group of people down and minimized their chances to succeed through the political and legal process, that same society actually DOES have a role to play in advancing that group's success. It's the moral and ethical thing to do. Further, it is in the interest of the society as a whole to not have an underclass of people who require constant aid.

    Sufficient numbers is not a personal preference at all. Having Hispanic leaders in education is absolutely critical since they bring a lifelong cultural competency into the classroom and ed reform debate. In much the same way that queer kids need role models to ensure good self image, so do kids of color.

    And recognizing historical and institutional racism does not make one a racist. Ignoring them does. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Didn't you tell someone that they were not entitled to their own definitions? If you check, you'll see that ignoring racism does not make one a racist.