Would you date a Satanist?

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    Jun 24, 2011 8:04 PM GMT
    After having participated in the "What Religion Are You?" Quiz, I was amazed at how many people who participated were labled Satanist's. Is this just a stupid, flawed, and meaningless quiz or does it really reflect one's inner values? My quiz results pegged me as Jewish and I think it was pretty accurate, even though my religion is effectively Christian.

    The question, "would you date a Satanist," challenges my Christian beliefs to the max, if I want to practice the teaching of "love thy neighbor as myself." I'm sure there are as many varities of Satanism as there are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddist, Pagan, etc., but my thinking of a Satanist is someone who writes his own moral code in the world, and does exactly what will benefit him and his selfish desires the most. He would find a way to justify anything bad that he does. Extreme examples might be Pol Pot, Hitler, Bin Laden. Mild examples could be those everyday people that care little for anyone than themselves. Such people don't have to officially belong to a Satanic church, but are practicing things that do nothing to uplift themselves or anyone else.

    I need some help on this RJ and I'm sure I'll not go unscathed on this posting.

    To answer my own question, "Would I date a Satanist?" -- my answer is NO. I believe I can love and pray for people, but can do it at a distance.
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    Jun 24, 2011 9:35 PM GMT
    It would be just as hard for me to date a Christian as it would be a Satanist. I don't believe in the existance of either so to have to sit and listen to someone talk about how much Jesus/Satan is a big part of their life would tend to bore me after a while as I have no interest in it. People are Christians (and I would suppose Satanists) on various levels though. I would guess if they aren't evangelical either way and it was more of a belief they weren't imposing on me then I would have no issues.
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    Jun 24, 2011 9:44 PM GMT
    Do you think that beliefs can totally be internalized without any external actions? In other words, a Christian can believe in love, harmony, good will on earth but do nothing? or a Satanist can have malevolent intentions but never act on those either? I'm wondering what would be the point of being a part of either one. Isn't religion a way of life?
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    Jun 25, 2011 12:32 AM GMT
    Only if he promises not to get me drunk and use me as a sacrifice.
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    Jun 25, 2011 4:01 AM GMT
    vincent7 saidDo you think that beliefs can totally be internalized without any external actions? In other words, a Christian can believe in love, harmony, good will on earth but do nothing? or a Satanist can have malevolent intentions but never act on those either? I'm wondering what would be the point of being a part of either one. Isn't religion a way of life?



    Hmm..I wonder if it's so much a religion as a way of life, or the simple experiencing of god, flowing throughout everything, including us, like the atoms we're made of but even finer than that.

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    Jun 25, 2011 4:29 AM GMT
    No, because Satanist belief systems in their approach to relationships with other people appear to be incompatible with my own. Specifically, in regards to forgiveness. People make honest mistakes.
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    Jun 25, 2011 4:36 AM GMT


    Hatred is something a Satanist does, and sees as empowering. A Satanist hates me for what I am, believing in life and living the life I do. So likely not.

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    Jun 25, 2011 11:33 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    vincent7 saidDo you think that beliefs can totally be internalized without any external actions? In other words, a Christian can believe in love, harmony, good will on earth but do nothing? or a Satanist can have malevolent intentions but never act on those either? I'm wondering what would be the point of being a part of either one. Isn't religion a way of life?



    Hmm..I wonder if it's so much a religion as a way of life, or the simple experiencing of god, flowing throughout everything, including us, like the atoms we're made of but even finer than that.

    -Doug


    Doug, "the simple experiencing of God" is a holy thing and it is one the the many joys of being Christian, but I believe as the bible states, "Faith without works is dead." In my daily life if I am not distinguishable from any other person by my demeanor, how I treat others, how I react in an emergency/crisis then what's the point? Just the private experience of God is wonderful, but is it self-serving? It would be like if I asked a Christian why he believes in Jesus Christ, and he says, "it's only through Jesus Christ that I can enter the Kingdom of Heaven." Very self-serving. I think the right answer would be, "I believe in Jesus Christ because he gave us the teachings to improve the lot of all the misery in the world." IMHO. Peace.
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    Jun 25, 2011 11:35 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidOnly if he promises not to get me drunk and use me as a sacrifice.


    Paul, I know you are being humorous here, but can you believe the promise?
    LOL
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    Jun 25, 2011 1:12 PM GMT
    vincent7 said
    meninlove said
    vincent7 saidDo you think that beliefs can totally be internalized without any external actions? In other words, a Christian can believe in love, harmony, good will on earth but do nothing? or a Satanist can have malevolent intentions but never act on those either? I'm wondering what would be the point of being a part of either one. Isn't religion a way of life?



    Hmm..I wonder if it's so much a religion as a way of life, or the simple experiencing of god, flowing throughout everything, including us, like the atoms we're made of but even finer than that.

    -Doug


    Doug, "the simple experiencing of God" is a holy thing and it is one the the many joys of being Christian, but I believe as the bible states, "Faith without works is dead." In my daily life if I am not distinguishable from any other person by my demeanor, how I treat others, how I react in an emergency/crisis then what's the point? Just the private experience of God is wonderful, but is it self-serving? It would be like if I asked a Christian why he believes in Jesus Christ, and he says, "it's only through Jesus Christ that I can enter the Kingdom of Heaven." Very self-serving. I think the right answer would be, "I believe in Jesus Christ because he gave us the teachings to improve the lot of all the misery in the world." IMHO. Peace.


    Well, there's believing in Christ and what he stood for and what he showed by example or believing in the bible. The two are quite different, I think.

    When you said, "In my daily life if I am not distinguishable from any other person by my demeanor, how I treat others, how I react in an emergency/crisis then what's the point?"

    ..the first thought that came to mind was that it is your intent in how you treat others etc and the reasons for doing so that determines your faith. Many atheists for example, believe in helping your fellow man, which is a wonderful ethic and not restricted to christians or other faiths (well, except for those who worship Satan as god). icon_wink.gif

    Let's look at the Sikh faith for example.
    The kirpan is symbolic of the Sikh directive to defend the rights of anyone wrongfully persecuted, no matter what their faith or their race.

    Then there's the Kara:
    [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_(Sikhism)[/url]



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    Jun 25, 2011 1:30 PM GMT
    meninlove said:
    ..the first thought that came to mind was that it is your intent in how you treat others etc and the reasons for doing so that determines your faith. Many atheists for example, believe in helping your fellow man, which is a wonderful ethic and not restricted to christians or other faiths (well, except for those who worship Satan as god).

    Your quite right Doug, good, Godly works is not exclusive to the Christian faith; it just happens to be my spiritual path. However, the higher values do come from God whatever religion one might call himself.
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    Jun 25, 2011 1:35 PM GMT
    vincent7 saidmeninlove said:
    ..the first thought that came to mind was that it is your intent in how you treat others etc and the reasons for doing so that determines your faith. Many atheists for example, believe in helping your fellow man, which is a wonderful ethic and not restricted to christians or other faiths (well, except for those who worship Satan as god).

    Your quite right Doug, good, Godly works is not exclusive to the Christian faith; it just happens to be my spiritual path. However, the higher values do come from God whatever religion one might call himself.


    I've practiced my faith the following way. I do what I do and when others are intrigued (Doug, you are always quick with warmth and a helping hand to anyone) I say there's a reason why, and if they're curious, I tell them I'm christian, and that it's more important to be christian than talk about it.

    lol, except here on topics like these, of course.

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    Jun 25, 2011 1:52 PM GMT
    I like that Doug, no wonder I have such an affinity towards you!
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    Jun 25, 2011 1:52 PM GMT

    An example is this: When Christ helped a certain prostitute deal with her oppressors, he didn't do it because she believed in him. She believed in him because of what he did.

    From John 8:1-11
    "1 ... Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. 3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” 6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”]

    Notice, he did not say, "Or else" after advising her to sin no more. He simply rescued her from a stoning and gave her advice on how to avoid the same situation in the future.

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    Jun 25, 2011 1:56 PM GMT
    vincent7 saidI like that Doug, no wonder I have such an affinity towards you!


    lol, the feeling's rather mutual, my good Vincent!
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    Jun 25, 2011 6:10 PM GMT
    no sorry never
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    Jun 25, 2011 8:36 PM GMT
    It depends.
    If he's an actual Satanist who lights some candles and a goat head mounted on the wall looks down on us as he puts his ankles behind his ears, well that would be hot!
    If Satanist is just code for people who aren't Christian, or the same flavor of Christianity, then sure, maybe.
    If Satanist means a guy who plays heavy metal and wears all black and was unpopular in school, then I'll pass.
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    Jun 25, 2011 11:22 PM GMT
    Yes i would, but only because I have a different definition for "Satanism" then is being used on here...

    In fact, in some ways, i see Satan as good, and God as evil... that is, the biblical one.... cause Satan gave humans knowledge, and God was just jealous the whole time... not nice....

    In the way as explained in the quiz, I see Satanism more of a self-directed spirituality, which worships the self.... BUT, I do not equate self-worship with selfishness... self-worships is a perfectly legal form of worship in many sects, including Hinduism and Sufi Islam (the latter is NOT the same as orthodox islam)


    I think the problem in this day and age is that we demonise Satan as a source of evil... oddly enough... he has many positive names in pre-christian thought: "Lucifer" (light-bearer with the Romans) and "Demon" (spirit guide with the Greeks)

    What I would never date is an extremist.. in any religion
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    Jun 25, 2011 11:26 PM GMT
    meninlove said< ..the first thought that came to mind was that it is your intent in how you treat others etc and the reasons for doing so that determines your faith. Many atheists for example, believe in helping your fellow man, which is a wonderful ethic and not restricted to christians or other faiths (well, except for those who worship Satan as god). icon_wink.gif



    Hmmm, I have to disagree with this.... Satan SHOULD be worshipped if yuo worship all of Gods creation, since god created Satan.. who are we as humans to judge satan?

    Ths is why I have a problem worshipping anything.. I prefer not to, since i find it requires judgement
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    Jun 25, 2011 11:27 PM GMT
    Bigolbear saidIt would be just as hard for me to date a Christian as it would be a Satanist. I don't believe in the existance of either so to have to sit and listen to someone talk about how much Jesus/Satan is a big part of their life would tend to bore me after a while as I have no interest in it. People are Christians (and I would suppose Satanists) on various levels though. I would guess if they aren't evangelical either way and it was more of a belief they weren't imposing on me then I would have no issues.


    yeah, to me they are the same really
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    Jun 25, 2011 11:31 PM GMT
    An angel that is angry = a demon

    so god's anger is expressed through Satan....

    Hmm, yeah, this whole "god vs satan" talk doesnt sit well with me, Ill leave it alone, it doesnt work for me

    Here's a roman statue (in a church) of a half-angelic, half-demonic being.. they are very common

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    Jun 26, 2011 1:32 AM GMT
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    meninlove said< ..the first thought that came to mind was that it is your intent in how you treat others etc and the reasons for doing so that determines your faith. Many atheists for example, believe in helping your fellow man, which is a wonderful ethic and not restricted to christians or other faiths (well, except for those who worship Satan as god). icon_wink.gif



    Hmmm, I have to disagree with this.... Satan SHOULD be worshipped if yuo worship all of Gods creation, since god created Satan.. who are we as humans to judge satan?

    Ths is why I have a problem worshipping anything.. I prefer not to, since i find it requires judgement



    Well, greenhopper, I don't believe Satan exists, so why would I worship something that doesn't exist? icon_wink.gif

    As well, vincent and I were not talking about worship, but about beliefs and acting on them.
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    Jun 26, 2011 1:56 AM GMT

    greenhopper said, "Yes i would **, but only because I have a different definition for "Satanism" then is being used on here..."

    **date a Satanist

    The question is, just because you have a definition of what a Satanist is, does a Satanist that worships Satan have that definition?

    I knew a girl that was dating a white supremacist. I was a little upset by her cool poo-poohing of my opinion, when she asked for it.

    When I told her white supremacists believed people of colour were inferior, she said that didn't fit her definition of a white supremacist.
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:38 AM GMT
    Greenhopper said
    meninlove said< ..the first thought that came to mind was that it is your intent in how you treat others etc and the reasons for doing so that determines your faith. Many atheists for example, believe in helping your fellow man, which is a wonderful ethic and not restricted to christians or other faiths (well, except for those who worship Satan as god). icon_wink.gif



    Hmmm, I have to disagree with this.... Satan SHOULD be worshipped if yuo worship all of Gods creation, since god created Satan.. who are we as humans to judge satan?



    It can be also said then, that I should worship Zeus or any number of gods. They're not created by god, but by people. Satan is one of them. A construct to place the blame on the shortcomings of ourselves.

    God is a little different, being the Maker, that which we can barely understand but that which promotes well being of selves through well being of one another, which explanation is as far down as I can reduce it to, lol.

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    Jun 26, 2011 11:02 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    greenhopper said, "Yes i would **, but only because I have a different definition for "Satanism" then is being used on here..."

    **date a Satanist

    The question is, just because you have a definition of what a Satanist is, does a Satanist that worships Satan have that definition?

    I knew a girl that was dating a white supremacist. I was a little upset by her cool poo-poohing of my opinion, when she asked for it.

    When I told her white supremacists believed people of colour were inferior, she said that didn't fit her definition of a white supremacist.


    Well, that depends what you call Satan, Doug

    To add to the info: I have a brother who's a Satanist... he cetainly doesnt go around doing evil things.. he's just a regular guy, but its his philosophy of life