'It gets better,' but only if you're in a supportive environment, study finds

  • Anto

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    Jun 25, 2011 6:16 AM GMT
    'It gets better,' but only if you're in a supportive environment, study findsIt turned out that the more that students were out, the less angry and depressed they were and the higher their self-esteem, but only if they were in supportive environments. In controlling environments, coming out was not associated with any of these benefits. Overall, lesbians were the most out and bisexuals were the least out.


    I wish the 'It Gets Better' campaign was more realistic about what it's like to be gay like this.
  • widestance

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    Jun 25, 2011 10:45 AM GMT
    As an "out" teacher in a public high school, the "It Gets Better Campaign" frustrates me. It's so passive. I want to see, and in many ways see it every day at work, a "Make it Better Campaign."

    For me, the "It Gets Better Campaign" tells kids to wait it out and they'll get their revenge, but young people shouldn't be suffering at all.
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    thats what i've been saying since those videos came out, but nooo every1 jumped on my jock for it
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    The "It gets Better'" campaign is really the "Man Up Campaign," but understandably; they couldn't name it that.There is nothing anyone can do about High School teasing; it happens to everyone even the "popular" kids get it as everyone is really out to step on someone, anyone else for "sweeties," the sweeties being...I have no idea. They are kids, their minds aren't developed. You might as well go to a mental ward and expect complete lucidity and prudent fore thought. I'd be willing to expect that the mental patients would get closer to that than High School children; the mental ward patients are on medication.

    I happen to believe that High Schools can be helped; they need to be more institutionalized. They are really right now, just a holding tank for kids until the final bell rings, no morals or values are being instilled. Sure, that's their parents job, but their parents aren't doing it. If their parents aren't doing it, who's doing it?

    So if they go to a crappy school with a lackadaisical under paid staff, an over emphasis on sports, an under emphasis on academics, a dumbed down to the bare bones curriculum, no real rule system in place, a very VERY lax dress code in place, and no attention paid to values and morals of course they are going to act like ******! With no one really setting out to change it and it being a momentous task, which will take time, the "It Gets Better Campaign," is telling kids: "DON'T KILL YOURSELF....wait until you graduate, see how life is away from mentally unsound troglodytes who are also victims themselves, but probably pretty stupid besides it."

    If you listened to music about tearing people up, watched movies about tearing people up, and played games about tearing people up, would you want to?

    Now, the good schools lacking the Public School Syndrome (even though I'd imagine there are still a host of problems even in them), IGB is saying, the time will come when social functions are more inclusive, when politically and socially your sexuality will be more accepted. Look at all the progress we are seeing politically. But even with international gay marriage, the teasing may not stop in High School. If the voices say tease, they will, but the self esteem of gay youth will rise. So, just as the nerd, geek, soft speaker, goth population, "weirdo",....bad dresser, emo guy....whatever, have survived until graduation day and did ok, so will the gay kids.

    It gets better only with a supportive environment? Are you fucking kidding me? If that's the case, you might as well mail guns to every gay living in a rural environment or every woman working in America under men, lol. Sometimes you have to "Make it better, for yourself," that is all IGB is telling kids.
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    Jun 25, 2011 1:54 PM GMT
    The IGB campaign is OK, but the NOH8 photo ads with tape on the mouth are absolutely stupid. Homophobes probably think, "good, we don't want to hear what you have to say." And it makes people look like kidnap victims (and strokes their egos cause they got to model for it). It should be the NOTAPE campaign.
  • denus

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    Jun 25, 2011 2:00 PM GMT
    Iron_Casanova said
    The "It gets Better'" campaign is really the "Man Up Campaign," but understandably; they couldn't name it that.There is nothing anyone can do about High School teasing; it happens to everyone even the "popular" kids get it as everyone is really out to step on someone, anyone else for "sweeties," the sweeties being...I have no idea. They are kids, their minds aren't developed. You might as well go to a mental ward and expect complete lucidity and prudent fore thought. I'd be willing to expect that the mental patients would get closer to that than High School children; the mental ward patients are on medication.

    I happen to believe that High Schools can be helped; they need to be more institutionalized. They are really right now, just a holding tank for kids until the final bell rings, no morals or values are being instilled. Sure, that's their parents job, but their parents aren't doing it. If their parents aren't doing it, who's doing it?

    So if they go to a crappy school with a lackadaisical under paid staff, an over emphasis on sports, an under emphasis on academics, a dumbed down to the bare bones curriculum, no real rule system in place, a very VERY lax dress code in place, and no attention paid to values and morals of course they are going to act like ******! With no one really setting out to change it and it being a momentous task, which will take time, the "It Gets Better Campaign," is telling kids: "DON'T KILL YOURSELF....wait until you graduate, see how life is away from mentally unsound troglodytes who are also victims themselves, but probably pretty stupid besides it."

    If you listened to music about tearing people up, watched movies about tearing people up, and played games about tearing people up, would you want to?

    Now, the good schools lacking the Public School Syndrome (even though I'd imagine there are still a host of problems even in them), IGB is saying, the time will come when social functions are more inclusive, when politically and socially your sexuality will be more accepted. Look at all the progress we are seeing politically. But even with international gay marriage, the teasing may not stop in High School. If the voices say tease, they will, but the self esteem of gay youth will rise. So, just as the nerd, geek, soft speaker, goth population, "weirdo",....bad dresser, emo guy....whatever, have survived until graduation day and did ok, so will the gay kids.

    It gets better only with a supportive environment? Are you fucking kidding me? If that's the case, you might as well mail guns to every gay living in a rural environment or every woman working in America under men, lol. Sometimes you have to "Make it better, for yourself," that is all IGB is telling kids.


    You (mostly) said what I was going to say, but more eloquently.
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    Jun 25, 2011 3:09 PM GMT
    As a High School Teacher, I think the "It Gets Better" initiative is a start to recognizing and acknowledging that Gay students deserve our support and respect just as any other student within our publicly funded school system. However, telling a gay student that "It gets better" does not help the student comfront the present turmoil of bullying and abuse he or she has to deal with, be it from school or the home environment.

    If we as a caring community are serious about protecting our gay youth from bullying and abuse, we must implement a program which speaks to addressing the present, not the future. We have lost many young lives due to actions of hate , ignorance, and suicide. It is time to open our eyes and ears to the needs of these wonderful students, and stand up in support of their right to live their lives free of fear, shame, or retribution. They are our future!

    Despite the admirable efforts of some teachers and administrators, this is not a problem which can only be left on the doorsteps of our schools. As a community, we must come together as one voice to ensure the safety and protection of all our youth.
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    Jun 25, 2011 3:59 PM GMT
    It did what it was supposed to do, but many thought it would or could do more. Perhaps a re-tooled, re-focused IGB campaign is what is needed.
  • Anto

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    Jun 27, 2011 6:08 PM GMT
    I never really saw the IGB campaign as pertaining to just kids in school. To me and from my experience it's about how a person is treated for being known or suspected as being gay and how it might evolve from there regardless of where they are at in life or how old they are. Maybe it's after coming out even but depending on the environment it may not get better for a person or better in the way they would like. That's just being realistic about it and if that isn't addressed then what is the point of telling a person it just gets better? It's just an empty gesture made by people at better places in their lives.
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    Jun 27, 2011 6:10 PM GMT
    Anto saidI wish the 'It Gets Better' campaign was more realistic about what it's like to be gay like this.


    Seriously. And then there's the gays. It gets better but then once you start living in an environment full of obsessive bipolar dramatic homosexuals you realize it will be better once you immerse yourself back into the straight world. But "It Gets Better" is good if you're thinking in terms of focusing it on teenagers. For them this message means a whole lot. But for adults who are having trouble this message makes no sense.
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    Jun 27, 2011 6:11 PM GMT
    O wow, this place is full of high school teachers... I have only one thing to say...

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