Rich Republicans Given the Credit for Passing Gay Marriage

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    Jun 26, 2011 3:02 PM GMT
    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/06/new-york-gay-marriage-definitive-timeline/39266/

    Quoting a NYT article:
    But the donors in the room — the billionaire Paul Singer, whose son is gay, joined by the hedge fund managers Cliff Asness and Daniel Loeb — had the influence and the money to insulate nervous senators from conservative backlash if they supported the marriage measure. And they were inclined to see the issue as one of personal freedom, consistent with their more libertarian views.

    Within days, the wealthy Republicans sent back word: They were on board. Each of them cut six-figure checks to the lobbying campaign that eventually totaled more than $1 million.
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:03 PM GMT
    the more you learn about republicans, the more you will like them
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:08 PM GMT
    Are we saying some people need to be paid to do the right thing and shielded from "consequences"? What happened to "fuck it, I'm trying to do the right thing"? icon_eek.gif
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:14 PM GMT
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:17 PM GMT
    This isn't news to anyone who was paying attention to the issue in NYC.
  • an_dy

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    Jun 26, 2011 4:18 PM GMT
    Good for them. I seriously think that there are people in the GOP that support gay marriage. Not ALL of them think we're sewer people with acid for blood.
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:18 PM GMT

    "had the influence and the money to insulate nervous senators from conservative backlash if they supported the marriage measure."

    Why doesn't this impress me much?

    THIS impresses me:

    "“I apologize for those who feel offended,” Mr. Grisanti said, adding, “I cannot deny a person, a human being, a taxpayer, a worker, the people of my district and across this state, the State of New York, and those people who make this the great state that it is the same rights that I have with my wife.”

    Sen. Mark Grisanti, a Buffalo Republican who also had been undecided.

    "Grisanti said he could not deny anyone what he called basic rights.
    "I apologize to those I offend," said Grisanti, a Roman Catholic. "But I believe you can be wiser today than yesterday. I believe this state needs to provide equal rights and protections for all its residents," he said."
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:19 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidAre we saying some people need to be paid to do the right thing and shielded from "consequences"? What happened to "fuck it, I'm trying to do the right thing"? icon_eek.gif


    Bingo.
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:19 PM GMT
    nycusa05 saidthe more you learn about republicans, the more you will like them


    Is that a joke?
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:20 PM GMT
    nycusa05 saidthe more you learn about republicans, the more you will like them



    hmmm...how about, the more you learn about SOME Republicans, the more you will like them. icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:25 PM GMT
    What's funny is that the impression most gays have about "rich republicans" is just the opposite, almost all of the affluent ones are in favor of gay rights and marriage. The Koch brothers, for example.

    Liberal gays persist in this fantasy that behind the scenes evil rich republicans running large corporations are funding anti-gay groups -- it's usually just the opposite.
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:31 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    nycusa05 saidthe more you learn about republicans, the more you will like them



    hmmm...how about, the more you learn about SOME Republicans, the more you will like them. icon_wink.gif


    Further on in the same piece (quoting another piece):
    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/06/new-york-gay-marriage-definitive-timeline/39266/
    This is how things get done, in government, now! Rich people decide they want things, and then they use their money to get them. This works great when rich people, or their friends, or their families, are victims of injustice —which is what happened last night.

    But there aren't a lot of millionaire libertarians on medicaid, or getting food stamps, or looking for jobs! Which means that in those "secret meetings" between the super-rich Repblicans and the governor (or the president!), people on medicaid don't get brought up very often—and bills (or budget deals) that might actually help them aren't presented, or lobbied for, almost ever. And until a libertarian-leaning philanthropist comes out as poor, or a billionaire Republican has a working-class son, don't expect that to change.
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:33 PM GMT
    Wait wait... *please* correct me if I'm reading this incorrectly...

    Two republican senators were so damn fearful of backlash from their party for doing what they thought was the ethically correct thing (because without backing from your party, it can be a rather uphill battle to be re-elected). The only way they could vote for what they thought was the correct thing is if they were monetarily insulated enough (since they could potentially lose cash flow from extremist conservative anti-gay-equal rights groups) for their future re-election campaigns or whatever else they want the money for...

    Emphasis on IF I read this correctly, then my stomach is churning right now. Please correct me if I'm wrong someone, because this makes me further disgusted at our partisan system which has become so warped with whoever has the most money wins.
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:37 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidWhat's funny is that the impression most gays have about "rich republicans" is just the opposite, almost all of the affluent ones are in favor of gay rights and marriage. The Koch brothers, for example.

    Liberal gays persist in this fantasy that behind the scenes evil rich republicans running large corporations are funding anti-gay groups -- it's usually just the opposite.


    You're conflating two separate issues. The reality is that many of the political that the Koch brothers and other wealthy Republicans fund are anti-gay. That is primarily because anti-gay politicians are also anti-progressive on financial issues as well. So, they may not be personally or philosophically opposed to gay rights but they will sell us out in favor of their greed.

    Singer is different because he has a gay son. Despite being very right-wing on economics (was the first considered a "vulture capitalist"), his personal stake in LGBT rights makes him less inclined to throw us under the bus.
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:43 PM GMT
    van_can said
    nycusa05 saidthe more you learn about republicans, the more you will like them


    Is that a joke?


    It's a fact; and it goes both ways. The MSM is propagating stereotype of all groups, Gay, Straight, Liberal, Conservative, Black, White, in order to increase ratings. The more we as individuals stop throwing "homophobe", "faggot" and "racists" at people we think differently and actually start talking as individuals, the more we all will realize that at the core, our similarities far out weigh our differences. When that happens the Political have to follow or get voted out of office.


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    Jun 26, 2011 4:44 PM GMT
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    Two republican senators were so damn fearful of backlash from their party for doing what they thought was the ethically correct thing (because without backing from your party, it can be a rather uphill battle to be re-elected). The only way they could vote for what they thought was the correct thing is if they were monetarily insulated enough (since they could potentially lose cash flow from extremist conservative anti-gay-equal rights groups) for their future re-election campaigns or whatever else they want the money for...


    That almost sounds a like a bribe! icon_razz.gif
  • tsavage216

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    Jun 26, 2011 4:52 PM GMT
    What happens when the GOP gets elected and use the power of the federal government to get rid of these rights? Isn't that their platform?
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:56 PM GMT
    tsavage216 saidWhat happens when the GOP gets elected and use the power of the federal government to get rid of these rights? Isn't that their platform?


    I think their platform is (roughly)

    (1) abolish gays
    (2) send all hispanics to mexico (regardless of where they originally came from or whether they are 5th generation american citizens)
    (3) tax the poor, give to the rich
    (4) fuck the earth
    (5) Institute evangelical theocracy to all states
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    Jun 26, 2011 4:57 PM GMT
    tsavage216 saidWhat happens when the GOP gets elected and use the power of the federal government to get rid of these rights? Isn't that their platform?

    Shh, no one wants to hear your potential truths.
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    Jun 26, 2011 5:01 PM GMT
    That was exactly Michele Bachmann's point today on Chris Wallace:

    "What does she think of the marriage equality law in New York? She thinks that it stands under the tenth amendment. Wallace points out that she also supports a Constitutional amendment to trump that right that New York claimed for themselves."
  • GQjock

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    Jun 26, 2011 5:12 PM GMT
    Credit????

    Credit for what??
    Dragging their heels on civil rights issues everytime they come up for a vote?
    Credit for passing something they squashed the last time it came up for a vote
    and credit for something they basically had to be blackmailed into doing when they should have signed on the dtted line for NOTHING

    Credit My Ass...... icon_cool.gif
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    Jun 26, 2011 5:21 PM GMT
    Lostboy said
    tsavage216 saidWhat happens when the GOP gets elected and use the power of the federal government to get rid of these rights? Isn't that their platform?


    I think their platform is (roughly)

    (1) abolish gays
    (2) send all hispanics to mexico (regardless of where they originally came from or whether they are 5th generation american citizens)
    (3) tax the poor, give to the rich
    (4) fuck the earth
    (5) Institute evangelical theocracy to all states



    You forgot to mention that in reality, concrete facts and actions, they don't give a damn about the economy.
    All they say cut, smaller government etc. When asked what exactly to cut.... total silence.

    People eventually buy into that and elect a Republican only to get more government,more debt, more money wasted on mini-wars with no real benefit for the American people, etc
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    Jun 26, 2011 5:31 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidAre we saying some people need to be paid to do the right thing and shielded from "consequences"? What happened to "fuck it, I'm trying to do the right thing"? icon_eek.gif


    ...or "Country First"?
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    Jun 26, 2011 5:35 PM GMT
    nycusa05 saidthe more you learn about republicans, the more you will like them


    this is sarcasm right?

    either they had to be paid to do what they think is morally and ethically correct

    or they had to be paid to do what they think is immoral and unethical.

    any way you cut it, i would trust them about as far as i could throw a sumo
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    Jun 26, 2011 5:36 PM GMT
    That a few wealthy Republicans decided to support our rights, and thus form an alliance with Progressives does give me hope.

    I hope we can also find more rich Republicans who can recognize that their wealth will only grow with a better educated and healthy workforce. The Rich benefit as much as any of us from a society unburdened by theocracy and angry magical thinking.

    I am only shocked that wealthy Republicans felt comfortable for so long working with the backward thinking of too many in their Party.