David Frum 'I was wrong about same-sex marriage'

  • metta

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    Jun 28, 2011 8:02 AM GMT
    David Frum 'I was wrong about same-sex marriage'


    http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/06/27/frum.gay.marriage/
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    Jun 28, 2011 10:55 AM GMT
    Interesting read. Nice to see some people aren't afraid to admit they were wrong.

    FYI, I found a well written article by a theology student via a link at the bottom of the article...
    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/21/my-take-bible-condemns-a-lot-so-why-focus-on-homosexuality/?iref=obnetwork
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    Jun 28, 2011 11:08 AM GMT
    mdstudio saidInteresting read. Nice to see some people aren't afraid to admit they were wrong.

    FYI, I found a well written article by a theology student via a link at the bottom of the article...
    http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/21/my-take-bible-condemns-a-lot-so-why-focus-on-homosexuality/?iref=obnetwork


    Really nicely written article...
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    Jun 28, 2011 12:22 PM GMT
    Who cares about his irrelevant opinion... thanks David Frum, but your opinion means nothing. He speaks as if from a point of authority pontificating most of the time about useless issues past their expiry date.

    I'm insulted that he thinks it is newsworthy to express how he changed his mind. He is part of the problem.. acting as if he now 'gives consent' to same-sex marriage. Wow, i'm so 'blessed' that he does.. thank god he came around eh?

    As per religion and this debate, it's more nonsense.. the opinion of anyone religious is laughable no matter how valid or interesting. Those who believe in bronze-aged myths where critical thought is suspended should really be the ones we are weary of. Seriously, it's as if trying to analyze an Archie and Jughead comic book to find parallels.. it's just not relevant and it's insulting that American news organizations give time and credence to such nonsense.

    My dog passed gas this morning while we walked by a heterosexual couple and so, i think I will interpret it as he is against opposite-sex marriage - this statement is as relevant as the opinion of those religious people who pass their hereditary prejudices off as divine bigotry.

    Here in Canada, where same-sex marriage has been legal for over half a decade.. I'm amazed that the 'land of the free' and country that likes to 'protect and promote freedom' is still debating this issue and fighting for this right.
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    Jun 28, 2011 1:35 PM GMT
    Good news!
  • creature

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    Jun 28, 2011 1:49 PM GMT
    Why is that douche harping on the stability of the American family as his reasoning to support gay marriage?

    If people like me had been right, we should have seen the American family become radically more unstable over the subsequent decade and a half.

    It is irrelevant if the American family did become more radically unstable. It is irrelevant if gay marriages had a 99.99% divorce rate. It is about equality. Not because your twisted logic didn't materialize.
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    Jun 28, 2011 1:52 PM GMT
    Hawken saidWho cares about his irrelevant opinion... thanks David Frum, but your opinion means nothing. He speaks as if from a point of authority pontificating most of the time about useless issues past their expiry date.

    I'm insulted that he thinks it is newsworthy to express how he changed his mind. He is part of the problem.. acting as if he now 'gives consent' to same-sex marriage. Wow, i'm so 'blessed' that he does.. thank god he came around eh?

    As per religion and this debate, it's more nonsense.. the opinion of anyone religious is laughable no matter how valid or interesting. Those who believe in bronze-aged myths where critical thought is suspended should really be the ones we are weary of. Seriously, it's as if trying to analyze an Archie and Jughead comic book to find parallels.. it's just not relevant and it's insulting that American news organizations give time and credence to such nonsense.

    My dog passed gas this morning while we walked by a heterosexual couple and so, i think I will interpret it as he is against opposite-sex marriage - this statement is as relevant as the opinion of those religious people who pass their hereditary prejudices off as divine bigotry.

    Here in Canada, where same-sex marriage has been legal for over half a decade.. I'm amazed that the 'land of the free' and country that likes to 'protect and promote freedom' is still debating this issue and fighting for this right.

    I agree, but unfortunately it takes tools like this guy "coming around" to enlighten other tools.
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    Jun 28, 2011 3:00 PM GMT
    BeingThePhoenix saidI agree, but unfortunately it takes tools like this guy "coming around" to enlighten other tools.

    That may be the point. To paraphrase an old saying: "It takes one to teach one." (The original: "It takes one to know one")

    He's preaching to the choir when many of us read him, but for others who are anti-gay like he was he may be just the ticket. It's why alcohol, drug and smoking cessation programs almost invariably include testimony from former abusers, because the stories of the "saved" are often more compelling than the preachings of those who never had these problems themselves, who never "saw the light."

    I agree with much of Hawken's observations and some others above, but this Frum may serve some useful purpose in spite of himself. And also that divinity graduate's article, which only says what many of us have been saying for years, about the convenient, self-serving pliability that many find in the Bible.

    But THEY'RE saying it, from the other camp, not from ours, and so it will carry more weight, and be more convincing than when we gays say it. So let Frum have his "Conversion on the Road to Damascus" because, like Paul, the recently converted are often the most fervent & convincing of evangelizers.
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    Jun 28, 2011 7:12 PM GMT
    Hawken saidWho cares about his irrelevant opinion... thanks David Frum, but your opinion means nothing. He speaks as if from a point of authority pontificating most of the time about useless issues past their expiry date.

    I'm insulted that he thinks it is newsworthy to express how he changed his mind. He is part of the problem.. acting as if he now 'gives consent' to same-sex marriage. Wow, i'm so 'blessed' that he does.. thank god he came around eh?

    As per religion and this debate, it's more nonsense.. the opinion of anyone religious is laughable no matter how valid or interesting. Those who believe in bronze-aged myths where critical thought is suspended should really be the ones we are weary of. Seriously, it's as if trying to analyze an Archie and Jughead comic book to find parallels.. it's just not relevant and it's insulting that American news organizations give time and credence to such nonsense.

    My dog passed gas this morning while we walked by a heterosexual couple and so, i think I will interpret it as he is against opposite-sex marriage - this statement is as relevant as the opinion of those religious people who pass their hereditary prejudices off as divine bigotry.

    Here in Canada, where same-sex marriage has been legal for over half a decade.. I'm amazed that the 'land of the free' and country that likes to 'protect and promote freedom' is still debating this issue and fighting for this right.




    You're absolutely right.
    What makes it even more offensive is the fact that Repubs like Frum are "changing their mind" about gay marriage NOT because they've seen the light and have embraced true full equality for gay Americans BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
    They're changing their minds about gay marriage BECAUSE THE POLLS SHOW THAT A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE CHANGING THEIR MINDS ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE.

    All the Repubs care about is winning elections.
    They don't give a shit about doing the right thing.
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    Jun 28, 2011 9:15 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]rickrick91 said...All the Repubs care about is winning elections.
    They don't give a shit about doing the right thing.
    [/quote]



    sad but TRUE!
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    Hawken saidWho cares about his irrelevant opinion... thanks David Frum, but your opinion means nothing. He speaks as if from a point of authority pontificating most of the time about useless issues past their expiry date.

    I'm insulted that he thinks it is newsworthy to express how he changed his mind. He is part of the problem.. acting as if he now 'gives consent' to same-sex marriage. Wow, i'm so 'blessed' that he does.. thank god he came around eh?

    As per religion and this debate, it's more nonsense.. the opinion of anyone religious is laughable no matter how valid or interesting. Those who believe in bronze-aged myths where critical thought is suspended should really be the ones we are weary of. Seriously, it's as if trying to analyze an Archie and Jughead comic book to find parallels.. it's just not relevant and it's insulting that American news organizations give time and credence to such nonsense.

    My dog passed gas this morning while we walked by a heterosexual couple and so, i think I will interpret it as he is against opposite-sex marriage - this statement is as relevant as the opinion of those religious people who pass their hereditary prejudices off as divine bigotry.

    Here in Canada, where same-sex marriage has been legal for over half a decade.. I'm amazed that the 'land of the free' and country that likes to 'protect and promote freedom' is still debating this issue and fighting for this right.




    You're absolutely right.
    What makes it even more offensive is the fact that Repubs like Frum are "changing their mind" about gay marriage NOT because they've seen the light and have embraced true full equality for gay Americans BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
    They're changing their minds about gay marriage BECAUSE THE POLLS SHOW THAT A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE CHANGING THEIR MINDS ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE.

    All the Repubs care about is winning elections.
    They don't give a shit about doing the right thing.


    Exactly, that's why Obama came out in support of gay marriage even though he knew it would cost him the election! Kudos to all the other democrats who have come out in full force for gay marriage equality!

    Omg your foot is so deep in your throat I think you're turning purple!
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    Jun 28, 2011 10:36 PM GMT
    cold saidOh fuck me dead - do not read the comments under the article unless you're wanting to feel depressed and/or an all consuming rage directed towards the ignorant.

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    rickrick91 said
    Hawken saidWho cares about his irrelevant opinion... thanks David Frum, but your opinion means nothing. He speaks as if from a point of authority pontificating most of the time about useless issues past their expiry date.

    I'm insulted that he thinks it is newsworthy to express how he changed his mind. He is part of the problem.. acting as if he now 'gives consent' to same-sex marriage. Wow, i'm so 'blessed' that he does.. thank god he came around eh?

    As per religion and this debate, it's more nonsense.. the opinion of anyone religious is laughable no matter how valid or interesting. Those who believe in bronze-aged myths where critical thought is suspended should really be the ones we are weary of. Seriously, it's as if trying to analyze an Archie and Jughead comic book to find parallels.. it's just not relevant and it's insulting that American news organizations give time and credence to such nonsense.

    My dog passed gas this morning while we walked by a heterosexual couple and so, i think I will interpret it as he is against opposite-sex marriage - this statement is as relevant as the opinion of those religious people who pass their hereditary prejudices off as divine bigotry.

    Here in Canada, where same-sex marriage has been legal for over half a decade.. I'm amazed that the 'land of the free' and country that likes to 'protect and promote freedom' is still debating this issue and fighting for this right.




    You're absolutely right.
    What makes it even more offensive is the fact that Repubs like Frum are "changing their mind" about gay marriage NOT because they've seen the light and have embraced true full equality for gay Americans BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
    They're changing their minds about gay marriage BECAUSE THE POLLS SHOW THAT A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE CHANGING THEIR MINDS ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE.

    All the Repubs care about is winning elections.
    They don't give a shit about doing the right thing.


    Exactly, that's why Obama came out in support of gay marriage even though he knew it would cost him the election! Kudos to all the other democrats who have come out in full force for gay marriage equality!

    Omg your foot is so deep in your throat I think you're turning purple!




    LOL!
    Nice try.

    Tell me, how many Repubs running for the Repub nomination support a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage?
    (Anyone who watched the recent Repub debate knows it's most of them)

    And how many Democrats running for president support a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage?
    Zero.

    Uh-oh!
    "your foot is so deep in your throat I think you're turning purple!"