Cheyenne Frontier Days, under attack by animal rights extremist.

  • cowboyupnorth

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    Apr 18, 2008 11:07 PM GMT
    Some of you may have recently heard, animal rights
    extremists have been targetting the Cheyenne Frontier Days and want them to eliminate calf roping, steer wresting and the wild horse race. So what do you all think? Should we do away with the Rodeo? Personally I get somewhat frustrated with the extremist.

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    Apr 18, 2008 11:37 PM GMT
    I think the PETA folks should substitute themselves for the calves, steers and horses. Just kidding, I think you're right, they go way too far.
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    Apr 18, 2008 11:42 PM GMT
    Why do they want to eliminate those events? Do these events harm the animals?


  • cowboyupnorth

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    Apr 19, 2008 12:28 AM GMT
    Caslon saidWhy do they want to eliminate those events? Do these events harm the animals?




    Most of the time no. However sometimes in calf roping or steer wresting a calf brakes a leg, just like in horse racing and even in human sports. Another issue is the use of shocking a horse before a ride. Here is a related article. Personally I could see the issue with shocking if its overdone.

    Cheyenne Frontier Days Addresses Shock Issue
    Cheyenne - 4/18/2008

    Until now, the ``Daddy of 'Em All'' had followed the
    Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association rules on the use of the
    prodding devices.

    The PRCA rules allow for shocking a horse before a ride if the
    stock contractor, the cowboy riding the horse and the PRCA judge
    all agree the horse might stall coming out of the chute.

    An animal rights group has posted Internet videos showing rodeo
    hands appearing to use the devices a number of times at last year's
    Frontier Days rodeo.

    Frontier Days spokesman Bob Budd says that from now on, horses
    will not be shocked except in cases of an emergency.

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    Apr 19, 2008 1:04 AM GMT
    Caslon saidWhy do they want to eliminate those events? Do these events harm the animals?




    yeah...check out youtube for videos...Just another showcase of humans entertaining themselves at the expense of other animals

    I'm no extremist. I just find what they do to be pointless and pretty cruel!!!
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    Apr 19, 2008 1:06 AM GMT
    I love how you define people who want to save others from cruel sadistic punishment inflicted upon by senseless human beings to be "extremist".

    Yes the rodeo should be banned, it is sick, and the people who do that have no heart. If you want a real sport lets see a man with no weapons go into a lion den.

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  • ShawnTX

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    Apr 19, 2008 1:11 AM GMT
    I don't know enough about rodeos to have an educated opinion, but I think most animals are made of tougher stuff than us. They probably get a little banged up and bruised, but I think they can handle it.

    I don't think the shocking of horses is appropriate though. If the horses were willing participants and knew that stalling would earn them a shock, then fine. But they're not willing participants, so I don't think that shocking them for the sake of a sport is necessary. I understand that big money can be involved, but still.

    But then someone can ask me why I think it's ok for them to get banged up in the arena, but not shocked in the stall? And to be perfectly honest, admitting that in no way am I perfect, I really wouldn't have an answer to that.

    Maybe enough cowboys get banged up at a rodeo that it all evens out.
  • vindog

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    Apr 19, 2008 1:14 AM GMT
    hippie4lyfe saidI love how you define people who want to save others from cruel sadistic punishment inflicted upon by senseless human beings to be "extremist".

    Yes the rodeo should be banned, it is sick, and the people who do that have no heart. If you want a real sport lets see a man with no weapons go into a lion den.

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    No.

    Do you eat cheese? Meat? Wear leather?


    If your answer is yes to any of these things you should stop being a hypocrite. As all of these (esp the consumption of dairy products) are all pretty torturous.

  • Muunrakur

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    Apr 19, 2008 1:15 AM GMT
    cowboyupnorth said[quote][cite]Caslon said[/cite]Why do they want to eliminate those events? Do these events harm the animals?




    Most of the time no. However sometimes in calf roping or steer wresting a calf brakes a leg, just like in horse racing and even in human sports. Another issue is the use of shocking a horse before a ride. Here is a related article. Personally I could see the issue with shocking if its overdone.

    Cheyenne Frontier Days Addresses Shock Issue
    Cheyenne - 4/18/2008

    Until now, the ``Daddy of 'Em All'' had followed the
    Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association rules on the use of the
    prodding devices.

    The PRCA rules allow for shocking a horse before a ride if the
    stock contractor, the cowboy riding the horse and the PRCA judge
    all agree the horse might stall coming out of the chute.

    An animal rights group has posted Internet videos showing rodeo
    hands appearing to use the devices a number of times at last year's
    Frontier Days rodeo.

    Frontier Days spokesman Bob Budd says that from now on, horses
    will not be shocked except in cases of an emergency.

    [/quote]

    Cowboy, I give you props for providing information, even if it doesn't necessarily support your position, instead of just framing the other side as a bunch of nuts with nothing better to do with their time.

    I saw a docu about gay rodeo and its terrific impact on the lives of several competitors... I guess I'd try to find a balance... I wasn't even aware of the shocking and legs getting broken! Are there any moves to create a kind of 'certified humane rodeo' ?

    I think that would be the ultimate solution if all parties can agree on a format.
  • cowboyupnorth

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    Apr 19, 2008 1:17 AM GMT
    hippie4lyfe saidI love how you define people who want to save others from cruel sadistic punishment inflicted upon by senseless human beings to be "extremist".

    Yes the rodeo should be banned, it is sick, and the people who do that have no heart. If you want a real sport lets see a man with no weapons go into a lion den.

    http://www.queersunited.blogspot.com


    If your going in the den then I will attend. icon_twisted.gif

    Rodeos started as a result of some ranchers being experts at performing task associated with ranching. It is a skill and therefore as often happens in our society a competition came out as a result.

    As a kid growing up in Michigan we raced sled dogs, as an adult I race American Quarter Horses and Paints. We also cattle pen rope etc. Visit a real ranch most cowboys treat their animals with respect. Do I have family who I think are to aggressive, yes but by enlarge that is not the case.
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    Apr 19, 2008 2:07 AM GMT
    atlnvmasc said[quote][cite]hippie4lyfe said[/cite]I love how you define people who want to save others from cruel sadistic punishment inflicted upon by senseless human beings to be "extremist".

    Yes the rodeo should be banned, it is sick, and the people who do that have no heart. If you want a real sport lets see a man with no weapons go into a lion den.

    http://www.queersunited.blogspot.com


    No.

    Do you eat cheese? Meat? Wear leather?


    If your answer is yes to any of these things you should stop being a hypocrite. As all of these (esp the consumption of dairy products) are all pretty torturous.

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    So then I can assume you are vegetarian or even vegan? Otherwise your comparison would not be as resistant to an opposing argument.
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    Apr 19, 2008 2:13 AM GMT
    the horse shocking sounds like a definite non-starter (pun intended) with me.

    The riding and roping dont raise to the level of tortuous treatment...like cock or dog fights...for me to get all wrapped around the axel about them.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Apr 19, 2008 2:14 AM GMT
    When I saw the title of this thread, I thought, damn... is this by Hippie? When I saw it wasn't, I knew Hippie would be responding.. and in the way I thought.


    Let me say I enjoy Rodeo.. but I agree that some like Steer Wrestling we could do without. Poor animals.
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    Apr 19, 2008 3:31 AM GMT
    Most cowboys learn to treat their animals well, even if they are not inclined to do so by humane thoughts ( and many, or most are). If you spend enough time with a critter, you begin to respect its intelligence and personality. Rodeos are ok, but solid humane standards need to be enforced.
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    Apr 19, 2008 3:35 PM GMT
    supermodel said
    Do you eat cheese? Meat? Wear leather?


    If your answer is yes to any of these things you should stop being a hypocrite. As all of these (esp the consumption of dairy products) are all pretty torturous.



    So then I can assume you are vegetarian or even vegan? Otherwise your comparison would not be as resistant to an opposing argument.


    I am a strict vegan so I am not a hypocrite. I do not purchase or support any use of animals.

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    Apr 19, 2008 3:39 PM GMT
    It's time to stomp out the 4H Club!
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    Apr 19, 2008 3:40 PM GMT
    hippie4lyfe saidI love how you define people who want to save others from cruel sadistic punishment inflicted upon by senseless human beings to be "extremist".


    Oy.
  • vindog

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    Apr 19, 2008 8:05 PM GMT
    hippie4lyfe said[quote][cite]supermodel said[/cite]
    Do you eat cheese? Meat? Wear leather?


    If your answer is yes to any of these things you should stop being a hypocrite. As all of these (esp the consumption of dairy products) are all pretty torturous.



    So then I can assume you are vegetarian or even vegan? Otherwise your comparison would not be as resistant to an opposing argument.


    I am a strict vegan so I am not a hypocrite. I do not purchase or support any use of animals.

    http://queersunited.blogspot.com/[/quote]

    Cool...just checking. So often people are vegetarians for "animal rights" yet still eat cheese and milk products.

    I can't be vegan/veggie....don't digest soy or dairy. I doesn't work for my body.

    But most of those animals get treated better and eat better than most people in third world countries. So a little work for them is no big deal to me.

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    Apr 19, 2008 8:13 PM GMT
    hippie4lyfe said[quote][cite]supermodel said[/cite]
    Do you eat cheese? Meat? Wear leather?


    If your answer is yes to any of these things you should stop being a hypocrite. As all of these (esp the consumption of dairy products) are all pretty torturous.



    So then I can assume you are vegetarian or even vegan? Otherwise your comparison would not be as resistant to an opposing argument.


    I am a strict vegan so I am not a hypocrite. I do not purchase or support any use of animals.

    http://queersunited.blogspot.com/[/quote]

    So then is your vegan diet predicated on any particular sociopolitical position?

    If so...how do you feel about killing plants to eat?icon_twisted.gif
    just curious
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    Apr 20, 2008 3:22 AM GMT
    I have no problem eating plants as they lack a brain and central nervous system. They are living but not in the same way we and animals live, a plant won't feel pain, scream, or run away.

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    Apr 20, 2008 10:37 PM GMT
    I don't know enough about the rodeo but, without arguing about the effectiveness of their methods, I'm happy there are people (in PETA) taking the time to raise the issue of unnecessary pain and suffering, species arrogance, etc.

    And I eat meat, milk, and cheese, which makes me not just a hypocrite, but a head-in-the-ass, confused, undisciplined, limited, and conditioned human being.
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    Apr 20, 2008 10:49 PM GMT
    If it ends up wrapped in bacon I'll kill the cow myself. icon_twisted.gif

    Speaking of bacon and beef an Omaha Steaks just opened a few towns over. Excellent opening sales offers. Free burgers and 40-60% off all prices!
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    Apr 20, 2008 11:15 PM GMT
    Trance23 saidIf it ends up wrapped in bacon I'll kill the cow myself. icon_twisted.gif

    Speaking of bacon and beef an Omaha Steaks just opened a few towns over. Excellent opening sales offers. Free burgers and 40-60% off all prices!


    Mmmmm, filet mignon.
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    Apr 21, 2008 12:04 AM GMT
    I think a couple of friends and I were sitting around talking about some of the PETA videos about slaughter houses or something and we decided that it must be the fear that makes the meat taste good icon_smile.gif
  • vindog

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    Apr 21, 2008 4:55 AM GMT
    Trance23 saidIf it ends up wrapped in bacon I'll kill the cow myself. icon_twisted.gif



    F%^@& YEA!