What Does The Bible Actually Say About Gay Marriage?

  • metta

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    Jun 29, 2011 5:19 PM GMT
    "According to the gospels, Jesus never commented on same-sex practices."


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lee-jefferson/bible-gay-marriage_b_886102.html
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    Jun 29, 2011 5:26 PM GMT
    Not only did Jesus not comment on it but the Bible is completely silent about a committed loving relationship between two people of the same sex. The sexual practice is only condemned alongside "fornication" (straight people having sex outside of wedlock) and in the context of idolatrous temple practices where straight people would leave their normal heterosexual inclinations and have homosexual sex as a practice to honor the gods.

    It's amazing how many people nowadays will reject certain practices that God "permitted" in Biblical times like polygamy, incest and the equivalent of pedophilia (there was no 18 age limit) but yet they refuse to accept the idea that if God permitted things before that are no longer permitted now then maybe He didn't sanction things back then that he does now!
  • groundcombat

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    Jun 29, 2011 8:23 PM GMT
    Who cares?

    And I don't mean that to dismiss your topic but rather change the focus as to why the Bible should be controlling.
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    Jun 29, 2011 8:28 PM GMT
    I always thought that the bible said sodomy was a sin. And by sodomy I mean any non-procreative sexual act. Tons of straight people jack off and get bjs tho, and a lot have anal sex too, but they use the sodomy thing against gays lol.

    Then again im jewish so i dont know much about the new testimate anyway.
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    Jun 29, 2011 8:45 PM GMT
    Well I'm sure gay was not a term for homosexual way back then, and noe it means dumb anyways. It was not on the political agenda either, so how can we expect it to say anything. But it did say a man should not lay with another man, or an animal, or his neighbors wife, and all that means having sex..
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    Jun 29, 2011 8:50 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidWell I'm sure gay was not a term for homosexual way back then, and noe it means dumb anyways. It was not on the political agenda either, so how can we expect it to say anything. But it did say a man should not lay with another man, or an animal, or his neighbors wife, and all that means having sex..


    It also says to not lie with womankind in the same verse where it says not to lie with mankind.
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    Jun 29, 2011 8:51 PM GMT
    True_blue_aussie saidWell I'm sure gay was not a term for homosexual way back then, and noe it means dumb anyways. It was not on the political agenda either, so how can we expect it to say anything. But it did say a man should not lay with another man, or an animal, or his neighbors wife, and all that means having sex..


    A more narrow reading of this finds that the Levitical Law was primarily directed at the covenant relationship of ancient Israel with God, and that (sodomy) as a capital crime in ancient Israel was punishable more for the act of idolatry against YHWH by imitating the sexual worship practices of the surrounding nations.
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    Jun 29, 2011 9:22 PM GMT
    groundcombat saidWho cares?

    And I don't mean that to dismiss your topic but rather change the focus as to why the Bible should be controlling.



    Exactly. I've always found it baffling why so many Gentiles and non-Christians even care about what the Bible says. Weird.
  • metta

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    Jun 29, 2011 9:42 PM GMT
    ^
    Maybe because even though we do not believe in it....we know it affects all of us because so many people do believe in it as being fact...to the point that they vote based on it.
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    Jun 29, 2011 10:26 PM GMT
    metta8 said^
    Maybe because even though we do not believe in it....we know it affects all of us because so many people do believe in it as being fact...to the point that they vote based on it.


    It's too bad some people can't figure this out.
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    Jun 29, 2011 10:30 PM GMT
    So, what did men who wrote the bible say, that Jesus said?! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 01, 2011 9:32 AM GMT
    Religion has nothing to do with me. They have every right to believe what they believe, I just don't think I have to "follow" their bible, Koran, or any other make believe they create, plagiarize from Babylonian myths, etc.









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    Jul 01, 2011 10:41 AM GMT


    Why do people concern themselves?

    What does Gray's Anatomy (the book) say about the recommended oil change interval for my Nissan Pathfinder?

    The bible is not all knowing, it's one group of peoples interpretation of life.
  • Rowing_Ant

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    Jul 01, 2011 11:02 AM GMT
    As a Unitarian Lay Pastor....

    The Bible says exactly nothing about Gay Marriage and also very little about comittted loving same-sex relationships.

    The Bible tells us that Homosexuality is a sin, t hat it is wrong...but it does not say why.

    The writers of leviticus are concerned with defining the world. Judging and dividing the world based on their religious beliefs, into "Clean" and "unclean", that some animals, birds and marine life are clean and others arent. That some people and behaviours are clean and unclean. Animals with paws are ok but hooves are out; fish who look like fish are ok but jelly fish, shell fish etc are out. Birds who eat carrion are out. Its a totally logical but illogical list.

    Surely this is saying to God that "hey, God. You go this wrong! Some of these animals are just wrong." Man usurping God?Man telling God his creation is wrong?

    St Paul says Homosexual acts are unnatrual - "men given up to desires"...but doesnt say why it is unnatural. Furthermore, that is thinking from c.1800 years ago froma differant culture. St Paul also says it is wrong for women to have uncovered heads and men to have long hair. Remember he also says bankers and lawyers, like homosexuals, wont get into heaven.

    The Bible doesnt not mention homosexuality becuse the word had not been invented.
    The Bible doesnt say how people become homosexual.
    The Bible doesnt say whether homosexuality is 'curable'.
    The Bible doesnt tell us what kind of person is likelyto be a homosexual or about the quality of their relationships.

    Most modern readers would agree with the Bible in rejecting:
    Incest
    Rape (e.g. at Sodom - rape not homosexuality in that story)
    Adultery
    Intercourse with animals

    However, most people tend to disagree with the Bible on:
    intercourse during menstruation
    naming sexual organs
    being seen naked
    celibacy (some texts)
    exogamy (some texts)
    masturbation
    birth control
    considering semen and other body fluids as "unclean"

    Simialrly the BIble also permits
    Prostitution
    Polygamy
    Levirate marriage
    sex with slaves
    concubinage
    treatment of women as property
    very young age for marriage

    Whilst the Old Testament allows for divorce, Jesus specifically forbade it.

    In short, we disagree more with the Bible on sexual mores than we agree with it. So why do Evangelicals turn to the Bible as a source of moral guidance and a de-facto statement on sexual behaviours such as homosexuality and ignore the Bible on others? I would suggest its hate, fear, personal dislike of homosexuality/uals and finding support for their dislike/hatred in scripture - picking and chosing what to believe just as they accuse liberals like me of doing.

    The crux of the matter, for me is this: "Love your neighbour, love yourself, love God". Or as St Augustine said "Love God, and do as you please." Our moral task it so apply the Love Ethic of Jesus to all situations - to LOVE our enemies, to turn the other cheek,. To look at situation and find where the love is, to look where love can be applied and also critique the bible and all its thou shalt nots in the light of that love ehtic.
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    Jul 01, 2011 11:22 AM GMT
    Well duh, Jesus never commented on it. That would be hate right? Jesus didnt hate, right? I mean I wasn't alive when the guy was... but he seems cool. He would go to his best friend's gay wedding. He'd buy them a gift from the registry. And he would probably drink a little too much and appear on YouTube. What? It's 6am, I can't even jerk off right now... Zzzzzzz.
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    Jul 01, 2011 1:51 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidNot only did Jesus not comment on it but the Bible is completely silent about a committed loving relationship between two people of the same sex. The sexual practice is only condemned alongside "fornication" (straight people having sex outside of wedlock) and in the context of idolatrous temple practices where straight people would leave their normal heterosexual inclinations and have homosexual sex as a practice to honor the gods.

    It's amazing how many people nowadays will reject certain practices that God "permitted" in Biblical times like polygamy, incest and the equivalent of pedophilia (there was no 18 age limit) but yet they refuse to accept the idea that if God permitted things before that are no longer permitted now then maybe He didn't sanction things back then that he does now!



    Well, I'm completely impressed.

    You've also uncovered why many in christian faiths do not want to see marriage between gays. It means that gays would no longer be sinning per biblical writings as they would be now wed.

    -Doug