Walker union curbs saves a failing Wisconsin school district!

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    Jul 01, 2011 5:10 PM GMT
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/06/union-curbs-rescue-wisconsin-school-district

    And after all of the gloom and doom predicted by dems, education is upheld!
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    Jul 01, 2011 5:15 PM GMT
    Incorrect. The same outcome could have been negotiated with collective bargaining rights.
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    Jul 01, 2011 5:31 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidIncorrect. The same outcome could have been negotiated with collective bargaining rights.


    Nope. You're wrong. Read carefully:

    "Of course, Wisconsin unions had offered to make benefit concessions during the budget fight. Wouldn't Kaukauna's money problems have been solved if Walker had just accepted those concessions and not demanded cutbacks in collective bargaining powers?

    "The monetary part of it is not the entire issue," says Arnoldussen, a political independent who won a spot on the board in a nonpartisan election. Indeed, some of the most important improvements in Kaukauna's outlook are because of the new limits on collective bargaining.

    In the past, Kaukauna's agreement with the teachers union required the school district to purchase health insurance coverage from something called WEA Trust -- a company created by the Wisconsin teachers union. "It was in the collective bargaining agreement that we could only negotiate with them," says Arnoldussen. "Well, you know what happens when you can only negotiate with one vendor." This year, WEA Trust told Kaukauna that it would face a significant increase in premiums."

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    Jul 01, 2011 5:33 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidIncorrect. The same outcome could have been negotiated with collective bargaining rights.


    Nope. You're wrong. Read carefully:

    "Of course, Wisconsin unions had offered to make benefit concessions during the budget fight. Wouldn't Kaukauna's money problems have been solved if Walker had just accepted those concessions and not demanded cutbacks in collective bargaining powers?

    "The monetary part of it is not the entire issue," says Arnoldussen, a political independent who won a spot on the board in a nonpartisan election. Indeed, some of the most important improvements in Kaukauna's outlook are because of the new limits on collective bargaining.

    In the past, Kaukauna's agreement with the teachers union required the school district to purchase health insurance coverage from something called WEA Trust -- a company created by the Wisconsin teachers union. "It was in the collective bargaining agreement that we could only negotiate with them," says Arnoldussen. "Well, you know what happens when you can only negotiate with one vendor." This year, WEA Trust told Kaukauna that it would face a significant increase in premiums."



    Other states have negotiated rises in insurance premiums and shifts to other providers via collective bargaining. There is no justification for what Walker did, except that it benefits his Sugar daddies.
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    Jul 01, 2011 5:35 PM GMT
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    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 saidIncorrect. The same outcome could have been negotiated with collective bargaining rights.


    Nope. You're wrong. Read carefully:

    "Of course, Wisconsin unions had offered to make benefit concessions during the budget fight. Wouldn't Kaukauna's money problems have been solved if Walker had just accepted those concessions and not demanded cutbacks in collective bargaining powers?

    "The monetary part of it is not the entire issue," says Arnoldussen, a political independent who won a spot on the board in a nonpartisan election. Indeed, some of the most important improvements in Kaukauna's outlook are because of the new limits on collective bargaining.

    In the past, Kaukauna's agreement with the teachers union required the school district to purchase health insurance coverage from something called WEA Trust -- a company created by the Wisconsin teachers union. "It was in the collective bargaining agreement that we could only negotiate with them," says Arnoldussen. "Well, you know what happens when you can only negotiate with one vendor." This year, WEA Trust told Kaukauna that it would face a significant increase in premiums."



    Other states have negotiated rises in insurance premiums and shifts to other providers via collective bargaining. There is no justification for what Walker did, except that it benefits his Sugar daddies.


    His ending of collective bargaining rights had a direct positive impact on this school and the idea that the unions would have negotiated for the same result is plainly an assumption that does not coincide with the track record.

    Having one vendor doesn't give much room for negotiations now does it?
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    Jul 01, 2011 5:57 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]mocktwinkie said...
    His ending of collective bargaining rights had a direct positive impact on this school..[/quote]


    his ending of collective bargaining rights will help to make him a one term governor, IMO.


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    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 saidIncorrect. The same outcome could have been negotiated with collective bargaining rights.


    Nope. You're wrong. Read carefully:

    "Of course, Wisconsin unions had offered to make benefit concessions during the budget fight. Wouldn't Kaukauna's money problems have been solved if Walker had just accepted those concessions and not demanded cutbacks in collective bargaining powers?

    "The monetary part of it is not the entire issue," says Arnoldussen, a political independent who won a spot on the board in a nonpartisan election. Indeed, some of the most important improvements in Kaukauna's outlook are because of the new limits on collective bargaining.

    In the past, Kaukauna's agreement with the teachers union required the school district to purchase health insurance coverage from something called WEA Trust -- a company created by the Wisconsin teachers union. "It was in the collective bargaining agreement that we could only negotiate with them," says Arnoldussen. "Well, you know what happens when you can only negotiate with one vendor." This year, WEA Trust told Kaukauna that it would face a significant increase in premiums."



    Other states have negotiated rises in insurance premiums and shifts to other providers via collective bargaining. There is no justification for what Walker did, except that it benefits his Sugar daddies.


    His ending of collective bargaining rights had a direct positive impact on this school and the idea that the unions would have negotiated for the same result is plainly an assumption that does not coincide with the track record.

    Having one vendor doesn't give much room for negotiations now does it?


    Your making the same assumption that this couldn't have been achieved through collective bargaining, as it has in other states and municipalities.
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    Jul 01, 2011 6:39 PM GMT
    Pooh better get on the line to Walker

    He will need a little good news right now cause his entire republican line up is about to be recalled
    And come January he's next

    hey Walker how's the Wisconsin Titanic doin? icon_cool.gif
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    Jul 01, 2011 6:48 PM GMT
    GQjock saidPooh better get on the line to Walker

    He will need a little good news right now cause his entire republican line up is about to be recalled
    And come January he's next

    hey Walker how's the Wisconsin Titanic doin? icon_cool.gif


    So you're against saving schools?
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    Jul 01, 2011 6:51 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    GQjock saidPooh better get on the line to Walker

    He will need a little good news right now cause his entire republican line up is about to be recalled
    And come January he's next

    hey Walker how's the Wisconsin Titanic doin? icon_cool.gif


    So you're against saving schools?


    We're against punishing teachers to give tax breaks to billionaires and selling off the citizens' of Wisconsin assets (energy companies) to same billionaires.
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    Jul 01, 2011 6:55 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    mocktwinkie said
    GQjock saidPooh better get on the line to Walker

    He will need a little good news right now cause his entire republican line up is about to be recalled
    And come January he's next

    hey Walker how's the Wisconsin Titanic doin? icon_cool.gif


    So you're against saving schools?


    We're against punishing teachers to give tax breaks to billionaires and selling off the citizens' of Wisconsin assets (energy companies) to same billionaires.


    But why do you use billionaires as the comparison? Are there really a lot of billionaire's living in Wisconsin? Maybe Menard? Is he even a billionaire?

    Why don't you consider the benefits teachers get vs other workers in this state who have to pay for ALL of their health insurance costs?
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    Jul 01, 2011 7:21 PM GMT

    But why do you use billionaires as the comparison? Are there really a lot of billionaire's living in Wisconsin? Maybe Menard? Is he even a billionaire?

    Billionaires (the Koch brothers in particular) are the ones behind the union busting work of Walker, Scott and others. Their "think tanks" developed the arguments. They provided funding fro the campaigns and are now holding secret strategy sessions with these "politicians" (Manchurian candidates, actually) to make sure that their policies are enacted. And, as you probably know, the Koch brothers do not even live in WI or FL so why are they meeting the governors of those states?


    Why don't you consider the benefits teachers get vs other workers in this state who have to pay for ALL of their health insurance costs?

    I'm not interested in buying into the corporatist meme that workers who lack benefits should blame those that do. That 's a race to the bottom that only benefits the top few percent.