Interesting video on Cpl Andrew Wilfahrt and article on CNN.com

  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 02, 2011 8:19 PM GMT
    Absolutely got my attention icon_biggrin.gif
    ... and my emotion icon_cry.gif

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/02/gay.soldier.andrew.wilfahrt/index.html

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    Jul 02, 2011 8:28 PM GMT
    Great video.
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    Jul 02, 2011 10:33 PM GMT
    This plus the many parents, partners and friends who have gay men and women serving should see this along with others and show all of it to the president, the joint chiefs of staff and the rest of congress and the supreme court.
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    Jul 03, 2011 4:32 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidAbsolutely got my attention icon_biggrin.gif
    ... and my emotion icon_cry.gif

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/02/gay.soldier.andrew.wilfahrt/index.html



    Excellent, thank you for posting that.

  • Jul 03, 2011 5:00 AM GMT
    i read this article earlier today and tear up everytime i think about it. hes an inspiration and hero to us all.

  • Jul 03, 2011 5:03 AM GMT
    if you havent read the CNN article yet, you really should. its life changing.
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    Jul 03, 2011 5:07 AM GMT
    I read the article and he seems to have been a fairly bright guy . . . . but why would any intelligent guy sign up for fodder duty? . . . The Great Game (there is even a book with that title) has been going on for a very long time, so why would a bright gay man sign on for such a gig? . . .

    . . . when does sympathy become an enabling agent?


  • Jul 03, 2011 5:24 AM GMT
    the same reasons any man or woman sign up for the military. if you did read the article, or even watched the video, it gives his reasons for joining.
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    Jul 03, 2011 5:32 AM GMT
    i read the article in full . . . and his motives were incoherent . . . he was living with his folks at age 29 . . . hello . . . .


    . . . if he had been properly educated or had bothered to educate himself, he would have known that he was offering himself up as a pawn in the Great Game, one of history's best known clusterfucks . . . have you not read about Sir Richard Francis Burton?

    . . . ignorance of history is an American hallmark . . . and sadly this lad died because of such ignorance
  • CarbGoggles

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    Jul 03, 2011 5:37 AM GMT
    I'm serving in Kandahar Province now. I got here about a month after he passed. I've never heard of COP Wilfahrt. I'm going to have to look it up. Since I've been here I've only attended 1 ramp ceremony. That's when they load the remains of a service member on an ACFT and send it back to the member's home country. Pretty sickening icon_cry.gif I hate going to them so I only go if it's a member from my BDE. I feel like insurgents feel it is there duty to kill coalition members. In the same way some politicians feel it is their duty to deny gays equal rights. I can't say I hate either for what they do or how they think. I certainly don't agree. How to break through to them?

  • Jul 03, 2011 5:46 AM GMT
    CarbGoggles saidI'm serving in Kandahar Province now. I got here about a month after he passed. I've never heard of COP Wilfahrt. I'm going to have to look it up. Since I've been here I've only attended 1 ramp ceremony. That's when they load the remains of a service member on an ACFT and send it back to the member's home country. Pretty sickening icon_cry.gif I hate going to them so I only go if it's a member from my BDE. I feel like insurgents feel it is there duty to kill coalition members. In the same way some politicians feel it is their duty to deny gays equal rights. I can't say I hate either for what they do or how they think. I certainly don't agree. How to break through to them?


    thank you for your service. stay safe out there.
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    Jul 03, 2011 5:58 AM GMT
    . . . Put out more flags . . . it is a distinct disservice to gay men to applaud their ignorance and further the deception that led them to a decision that is antithetical to their well being . . .

    . . . is the last refuge pink?
  • CarbGoggles

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    Jul 03, 2011 6:53 AM GMT
    noren said . . . Put out more flags . . . it is a distinct disservice to gay men to applaud their ignorance and further the deception that led them to a decision that is antithetical to their well being . . .

    . . . is the last refuge pink?
    LOL I have no idea what you are trying to say. How many gays get hit and killed by cars every day? Are you suggesting we get rid of cars? Safe sex can't 100% guarantee you'll never catch an STD. Should we stop having sex? Lol everybody has freedom of choice. People will do as they please. Get over it.
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    Jul 03, 2011 7:17 AM GMT
    indeed, you really don't have any idea what I am saying . . . i'm trying to save your life, but your bizarre response makes me think that such an effort is misplaced . . .

    you do have a kind of freedom of choice, so please do opt for servitude . . . please do fight for freedom for people who don't believe in free will . . . good call dude . . .
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    Jul 03, 2011 7:29 AM GMT
    noren saidindeed, you really don't have any idea what I am saying . . . i'm trying to save your life, but your bizarre response makes me think that such an effort is misplaced . . .

    you do have a kind of freedom of choice, so please do opt for servitude . . . please do fight for freedom for people who don't believe in free will . . . good call dude . . .



    what the fuck are you talking about
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    Jul 03, 2011 7:33 AM GMT
    i really can't even imagine my parents being interviewed if something happened to me. my moms kinda crazy and my dad at his worst is pretty terrible but they did the best they could and i know they love me. i couldn't even watch this whole thing it makes me want to throw up.
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    Jul 03, 2011 7:41 AM GMT
    wow, it's a veritable convention of dullards here on RJ . . .

    . . . . I'm trying to tell these impressionable young lads that they are being played for fools and that their lives mean nothing to the powers that be . . . gay lads really shouldn't turn over their bodies and souls to the Empire . . . mom and apple pie are not being defended in Kandahar

    . . . I'm telling them that empires have attempted and failed to tame the Afghan territory, and I'm telling them that our own haphazard empire, especially in that part of the world, is a ridiculously poorly planned and conceived endeavor . . .

    . . . gay guys, of all people, should be hip to the machinations of the State and its hideous partisans (like meninlove)

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    Jul 03, 2011 8:26 AM GMT
    nah dude you just have an unwarranted sense of self importance
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    Jul 03, 2011 8:30 AM GMT
    uh, nah, dude . . . you are a lightweight and you have yet to make a substantive comment . . . try not to make the gay boys look silly . . . you are setting us back decades
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    Jul 03, 2011 8:38 AM GMT
    there is no 'us'. you are not a part of anything i am a part of. i have nothing to do with you. we are not the same. you are a sad old man who thinks speaking cryptically makes him interesting and attacks others who contribute to their country. its all good, you are a dime a dozen.
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    Jul 03, 2011 8:48 AM GMT
    A.

    I am not "speaking cryptically" at all. You are just a prime example of the sad education system in America.


    B.

    I am not attacking "others who contribute to their country." Rather, I am trying to help them understand that they are being used. They are dupes, and they are largely blameless.


    C. And yes, there is an us. And you do set us back by your baffling ignorance.
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    Jul 03, 2011 8:55 AM GMT
    lol u mad
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    Jul 03, 2011 9:00 AM GMT
    and u a 'tard
  • CarbGoggles

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    Jul 03, 2011 2:11 PM GMT
    noren saidindeed, you really don't have any idea what I am saying . . . i'm trying to save your life, but your bizarre response makes me think that such an effort is misplaced . . .

    you do have a kind of freedom of choice, so please do opt for servitude . . . please do fight for freedom for people who don't believe in free will . . . good call dude . . .
    Your elderly and unappreciated efforts are misplaced. I joined because I was tired of living under my parents roof. I wanted my own money and freedom to make my own decisions. I didn't join to defend democracy but I'm glad I did join and I'm proud to serve. I wish you could step back and read your words from a perspective other than your own. You sound like a cry baby ass pussy. Grow a set.
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    Jul 03, 2011 2:21 PM GMT
    CarbGoggles said
    noren saidindeed, you really don't have any idea what I am saying . . . i'm trying to save your life, but your bizarre response makes me think that such an effort is misplaced . . .

    you do have a kind of freedom of choice, so please do opt for servitude . . . please do fight for freedom for people who don't believe in free will . . . good call dude . . .
    Your elderly and unappreciated efforts are misplaced. I joined because I was tired of living under my parents roof. I wanted my own money and freedom to make my own decisions. I didn't join to defend democracy but I'm glad I did join and I'm proud to serve. I wish you could step back and read your words from a perspective other than your own. You sound like a cry baby ass pussy. Grow a set.



    Noren clearly doesn't understand part of what makes this country great.... if
    everybody had the same views as Noren... we wouldn't have a country today to celebrate a "4th of July" or anything else.

    I love this country. I love my state. Unfortunately there are some that may not understand either and our willingness to defend it .. literally as you are Carb.. or for those that make "uneducated" remarks about my state. All I ask is we all think about what we say when it comes to this country. Sure there are things we don't like... but this is our home. Lots to appreciate and celebrate.