Happy Independence Day!

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    Jul 03, 2011 5:09 PM GMT
    Thank you to all the men & women in our armed services, but especially to all those overseas, waiting to come home. And particularly to my pals Will and Zec. Let Freedom Ring!

    The Gay Mens Chorus of Washington, D.C. back up Josh & Heather on this.

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    Jul 03, 2011 7:36 PM GMT
    Still a little early, but who cares: Happy Independence Day!

    I wish the good 'ol USA a happy 235th birthday. Too bad this year I won't be present to celebrate it with you.
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    Jul 03, 2011 8:09 PM GMT
    I appreciate it. I'm a Vietnam War Veteran. Things have changed quite a bit. When I returned to college in 1968 after my military hitch, a lot of my classmates didn't believe in too much respect for veterans.
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    Jul 03, 2011 9:09 PM GMT
    A BIG shout out to my coonass buddy, Brad. 98 to go? Thank you for your service and it does mean a lot. CAD rules.icon_wink.gif
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    Jul 04, 2011 3:57 AM GMT


    Happy Independence Day!

    ..three minutes to go!
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    Jul 04, 2011 5:46 AM GMT
    ErikTaurean saidThank you to all the men & women in our armed services, but especially to all those overseas, waiting to come home. And particularly to my pals Will and Zec. Let Freedom Ring!

    Thank you Erik. And for my eldest son, who serves in uniform overseas.
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    Jul 04, 2011 6:11 AM GMT
    we established our independence from a military victory that brought about the continental Army, Navy and Marines. It is most definitely a reminder about the beginnings of our armed forces and if any day should serve as a memorial for those who gave - and continue to give - us our independence and freedom it should be the 4th of July. asshole.
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    Jul 04, 2011 6:24 AM GMT
    That video was an interesting slice of Americana. It appears that most people don't know (or even care) why we celebrate Independence Day. Crazy!
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    Jul 04, 2011 7:40 PM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
    ErikTaurean saidThank you to all the men & women in our armed services, but especially to all those overseas, waiting to come home. And particularly to my pals Will and Zec. Let Freedom Ring!

    Thank you Erik. And for my oldest son, who serves in uniform overseas.


    I don't think you two know what Independent day really is.

    It is not the U.S. Memorial day. It is about how we gained independence from Great Britain on July 4, 1776.

    I don't think you know what the meaning of Memorial Day is. Our independence was fought for and won from the English Crown and that fight was done by militia and citizens. Today we celebrate our independence, not only for that, but to honor those who continue to keep it safe. I chose to honor the military. No, today is not Memorial Day, but today is a day to not only look forward, but to also remember.
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    Jul 05, 2011 4:02 AM GMT
    Or the Constitution and Bill Of Rights..
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    Jul 05, 2011 4:03 AM GMT
    monday funday is officially over. i have a huge hangover... work in 5 hours.... fml
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    Jul 05, 2011 4:09 AM GMT
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    Art_Deco said
    ErikTaurean saidThank you to all the men & women in our armed services, but especially to all those overseas, waiting to come home. And particularly to my pals Will and Zec. Let Freedom Ring!

    Thank you Erik. And for my oldest son, who serves in uniform overseas.


    I don't think you two know what Independent day really is.

    It is not the U.S. Memorial day. It is about how we gained independence from Great Britain on July 4, 1776.



    Who do you think fought for our independence? Maybe you should read some history books before telling a veteran he doesn't know enough about this country's history.

    Oh and it's IndependeNCE day!
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    Jul 05, 2011 4:33 AM GMT
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    ErikTaurean saidThank you to all the men & women in our armed services, but especially to all those overseas, waiting to come home. And particularly to my pals Will and Zec. Let Freedom Ring!

    Thank you Erik. And for my oldest son, who serves in uniform overseas.


    I don't think you two know what Independent day really is.

    It is not the U.S. Memorial day. It is about how we gained independence from Great Britain on July 4, 1776.



    This is just sickening.
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    Jul 05, 2011 4:36 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidThat video was an interesting slice of Americana. It appears that most people don't know (or even care) why we celebrate Independence Day. Crazy!

    Have you spent even a minute in US military uniform? Other than wrapping yourself in a US flag, which is rather disrespectful. But I hope you have served, which most able men should.
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    Jul 05, 2011 4:46 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidI don't think you two know what Independent [sic] day really is.

    It is not the U.S. Memorial day. It is about how we gained independence from Great Britain on July 4, 1776.

    Indeed. And how did independence happen? Because Great Britain just agreed to it?

    I think there was a little thing there called the Revolutionary War. In which some of my ancestors fought. (On the US side, I suppose I should note)

    So that's Erik's OP recognizing those in our armed forces on this holiday is perfectly appropriate. And your comment rather churlish.
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    Jul 05, 2011 4:47 AM GMT
    We shouldn't only thanks to American soldiers for our Independence day. That is so wrong. They should not get all the credits. We American people should get credits and we keep this country alive too.
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    Jul 05, 2011 5:02 AM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    CuriousJockAZ saidThat video was an interesting slice of Americana. It appears that most people don't know (or even care) why we celebrate Independence Day. Crazy!

    Have you spent even a minute in US military uniform? Other than wrapping yourself in a US flag, which is rather disrespectful. But I hope you have served, which most able men should.



    No I haven't, Arty, but we ALL know YOU have because you remind us of that about every third post or so. Also, last I checked, we have an all volunteer military. The draft was in your generation, not mine or others after mine. Just because the military was your choice, shame on you for ramming it down everyone's throat and deciding that it should be everyone else's choice too.
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    Jul 05, 2011 5:23 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Art_Deco said
    CuriousJockAZ saidThat video was an interesting slice of Americana. It appears that most people don't know (or even care) why we celebrate Independence Day. Crazy!

    Have you spent even a minute in US military uniform? Other than wrapping yourself in a US flag, which is rather disrespectful. But I hope you have served, which most able men should.

    No I haven't, Arty, but we ALL know YOU have because you remind us of that about every third post or so. Also, last I checked, we have an all volunteer military. The draft was in your generation, not mine or others after mine. Just because the military was your choice, shame on you for ramming it down everyone's throat and deciding that it should be everyone else's choice too.

    Speaking for myself and other friends of mine who have also worn the uniform, including some guys on RJ, we don't wear gayness on our sleeves or hold it over others who did not happen to be in the military. There are some who are so pompous because their lives are nothing, zero, except for their gayness and their memories of their service. Independence Day is for all of us and those who were not in the military are just as patriotic and good citizens as those of us who were in the military.
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    Jul 05, 2011 5:44 AM GMT
    socalfitness said
    CuriousJockAZ said
    Art_Deco said
    CuriousJockAZ saidThat video was an interesting slice of Americana. It appears that most people don't know (or even care) why we celebrate Independence Day. Crazy!

    Have you spent even a minute in US military uniform? Other than wrapping yourself in a US flag, which is rather disrespectful. But I hope you have served, which most able men should.

    No I haven't, Arty, but we ALL know YOU have because you remind us of that about every third post or so. Also, last I checked, we have an all volunteer military. The draft was in your generation, not mine or others after mine. Just because the military was your choice, shame on you for ramming it down everyone's throat and deciding that it should be everyone else's choice too.

    Speaking for myself and other friends of mine who have also worn the uniform, including some guys on RJ, we don't wear gayness on our sleeves or hold it over others who did not happen to be in the military. There are some who are so pompous because their lives are nothing, zero, except for their gayness and their memories of their service. Independence Day is for all of us and those who were not in the military are just as patriotic and good citizens as those of us who were in the military.


    THANK YOU for your service, and thank you for not putting yourself on a pedestal because of that service --- unlike some people around here icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 05, 2011 5:49 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
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    CuriousJockAZ said
    Art_Deco said
    CuriousJockAZ saidThat video was an interesting slice of Americana. It appears that most people don't know (or even care) why we celebrate Independence Day. Crazy!

    Have you spent even a minute in US military uniform? Other than wrapping yourself in a US flag, which is rather disrespectful. But I hope you have served, which most able men should.

    No I haven't, Arty, but we ALL know YOU have because you remind us of that about every third post or so. Also, last I checked, we have an all volunteer military. The draft was in your generation, not mine or others after mine. Just because the military was your choice, shame on you for ramming it down everyone's throat and deciding that it should be everyone else's choice too.

    Speaking for myself and other friends of mine who have also worn the uniform, including some guys on RJ, we don't wear gayness on our sleeves or hold it over others who did not happen to be in the military. There are some who are so pompous because their lives are nothing, zero, except for their gayness and their memories of their service. Independence Day is for all of us and those who were not in the military are just as patriotic and good citizens as those of us who were in the military.

    THANK YOU for your service, and thank you for not putting yourself on a pedestal because of that service --- unlike some people around here icon_rolleyes.gif

    Thanks, but not necessary. No pedestal needed. It turns out, paradoxically, that the guys I know who served and made some significant sacrifices never put themselves on any pedestal. It is the last thing they would ever do. It's hard to explain, but we are totally put off when we see pompous assholes.
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    Jul 05, 2011 7:22 AM GMT
    it is depressing to see that patriotism on here has degenerated to vaunting the military. I don't think you actually understood the American Revolution, just like you don't understand the Arab Spring.

    There is no doubt in my mind that those who whore themselves to the military today would have been wearing red in 1776.
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    Jul 05, 2011 9:25 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidit is depressing to see that patriotism on here has degenerated to vaunting the military. I don't think you actually understood the American Revolution, just like you don't understand the Arab Spring.

    There is no doubt in my mind that those who whore themselves to the military today would have been wearing red in 1776.

    I think we do understand the American Revolution and can choose to support the military whenever we want.

    There is no doubt in my mind that some who have an international perspective also have a highly exaggerated view of their own perceptive abilities.
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    Jul 05, 2011 9:53 AM GMT
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    TigerTim saidit is depressing to see that patriotism on here has degenerated to vaunting the military. I don't think you actually understood the American Revolution, just like you don't understand the Arab Spring.

    There is no doubt in my mind that those who whore themselves to the military today would have been wearing red in 1776.

    I think we do understand the American Revolution and can choose to support the military whenever we want.

    There is no doubt in my mind that some who have an international perspective also have a highly exaggerated view of their own perceptive abilities.


    I doubt that you are correct. It is alas the case that the demonstrably stupid are those who grossly overrate *their* abilities.

    It is a day for Rousseau.
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    Jul 05, 2011 10:22 AM GMT
    {e-penis/e-brain size arguments... blah blah blah... grousing about how the troglodytes don't know the true meaning of the Revolution and don't know their Rousseau from their Locke and Hobbes}

    Yup, some of the arrogance people have regarding the importance of their opinions puts me in mind of this verse:

    Jeremiah 51:17 (NASB)"All mankind is stupid, devoid of knowledge; every goldsmith is put to shame by his idols, for his (perceptions)* are deceitful..."


    *literally: molten images/idols
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    Jul 05, 2011 10:44 AM GMT
    alphatrigger said{e-penis/e-brain size arguments... blah blah blah... grousing about how the troglodytes don't know the true meaning of the Revolution and don't know their Rousseau from their Locke and Hobbes}

    Yup, some of the arrogance people have regarding the importance of their opinions puts me in mind of this verse:

    Jeremiah 51:17 (NASB)"All mankind is stupid, devoid of knowledge; every goldsmith is put to shame by his idols, for his (perceptions)* are deceitful..."


    *literally: molten images/idols


    It is certainy true that the ancient Israelites were a bunch of idiots!

    As to the importance of opinions, I am perpetually astonished at how those with little justification for their beliefs scream the loudest.